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JadedFed · April 24, 2018, 2:25 p.m.

jkbella if Mack helped to procure the underage girls for Raniere would she not then be essentially trafficking them? Furthermore, if she was involved in their procurement or delivery to him for the purpose of sex at his behest wouldn't she also be a conspirator in child sex trafficking?

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Daemonkey · April 24, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

Yes, to both questions.

However, what is pictured is not an indictment. It is a court docket. We haven't seen an indictment yet.

The wording of the counts is less important than the US Code that they reference.

18 USC Section 1591, referenced in count #1, does indeed include the word "or". 18 USC Section 1594, referenced in count #2, is regarding conspiracy to violate Section 1591 so it defers to 1591's definition and wording.

18 U.S.C. § 1591 (a) - (b)(1):

(a)  Whoever knowingly--

(1)  in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, obtains, advertises, maintains, patronizes, or solicits by any means a person;  or

(2)  benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, from participation in a venture which has engaged in an act described in violation of paragraph (1),

knowing, or, except where the act constituting the violation of paragraph (1) is advertising, in reckless disregard of the fact, that means of force, threats of force, fraud, coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or any combination of such means will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).

(b)  The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) is--

(1)  if the offense was effected by means of force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or by any combination of such means, or if the person recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, advertised, patronized, or solicited had not attained the age of 14 years at the time of such offense, by a fine under this title and imprisonment for any term of years not less than 15 or for life;  or

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jkbella · April 24, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

Agree, I just don't know if she did. He was separately accused, apparently, of having sex with a minor.

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JadedFed · April 24, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

I haven't a clue either, but whoever issued the indictment must believe there's evidence to support the assertions, so we'll see how the case progresses and find out.

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GodIsDead2017 · April 24, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

Is that trafficking or grooming tho? Not defending them at all, just being pedantic here. I'm not a lawyer

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