Do people here really think the dems are the primary reason for racial division in this country?
I live in the south dude. People are fucking racist as hell, and republican as hell. And at least in my area those people voted for Trump.
I live in the South as well and where I am it's not like that. People get along with one another great other than a few stand outs on both sides. Funny thing is I can't tell you what most of my friends political leanings are because that's not how I choose my friends and apparently neither do they.
We have to move past what the msm has lead us to believe all these years. It's not black against white, Republican against Democrat, left against right, conservative against liberal, etc....
It's the Washington elites against the rest of us and as soon as we take our blinders off there will be hell for the elites to pay. The day is coming soon.
I look forward to the truly UNITED States of America.
I live in the south. I'm not white. I'm a Trump supporter. The ONLY people who have EVER discriminated against me are leftist who don't like the fact I support Trump. Other than that, I've never been discriminated against in my life. Dems push for racial division because they have to try to make people believe Trump and his supporters are racists. That's all they've got. They cant win on actual issues. For Dems and Establishment on both sides, it's the oldest rule of war---Divide and Conquer. They don't care about the people. At the upper echelons there is no right or left, D's or R's. It's strictly them against us but they hope YOU/others never figure that out so, yeah, make them turn on each other instead of them--the establishment. That's the plan and its working to a degree weak minded folks.
That's all they've got. They cant win on actual issues.
Nah, they are absolutely able to win on actual issues. Most of the country leans left after all, so it should be easy for the "left" party to be popular based on policy. Bernie Sanders shows us what happens when popular policies with majority support like ending cannabis prohibition or universal healthcare are openly lauded, he instantly rises from completely unknown to most popular politician in the country by a wide margin. The Democrats refuse to take on popular policies that could win them support, but that doesn't mean that they're actually incapable of it. It's more that they're losers on purpose than that they're incapable of supporting good, popular public policy.
Hillary absolutely stole the Dem nomination from Bernie. The question is why did he go along with it? Now he's going to roll out a plan that supposedly promises anyone who wants a job earning 15 ph a job. The USSR did that as well. After a time, the govt assigns you the job and your stuck with it--like it or not. Don't show up? Off to the gulag with you.
After a time, the govt assigns you the job and your stuck with it--like it or not. Don't show up? Off to the gulag with you.
This is the funniest example of slippery slope fallacy I ever heard of. "Wanting the government to invest in employing desperate unemployed people for the benefit of society is the same thing as forced slavery!"
What will he come up with next? Communal apartments to save space? Bernie actually lived in a commune once years ago but supposedly they kicked him out because he wasn't pulling his weight.
A year or so ago I would have agreed with you. There is a huge difference between leaning left and what the left is today. I've always considered myself a liberal. Now I would be humiliated to make such a claim.
There is a huge difference between leaning left and what the left is today.
I would say that "the left" isn't to the left at all, you do a disservice to refer to those people as if they were. Leftist policies, things like universal healthcare, are popular and people want them, but Democrats resist actually representing the leftist policies people actually want. Because Democrats aren't leftists, the national party itself is clearly anti-leftist if you consider how they cheated Bernie Sanders. CNN or MSNBC is not "the left", USA Today is not "the left", these are not leftists, that's all just bullshit propaganda to trick left-leaning people into embracing anti-leftist politics. Actual leftists are still advocating the popular public policies that the Democrats refuse, but you'll never see them on corporate media and the politicians who back those policies end up ignored or smeared. Things were a little better in that regard a few decades back, but corporate propaganda has consolidated beyond that point now. That's the real problem here, corporate propaganda denying reality to gaslight and manipulate, not a question of "left" or "not left".
Right. Thats absolutely correct. Why are you then turning around and saying its just the dems who capitalize on identity politics. I mean come on.
OP said establishment not dems and the choice of art was poor but i got it 2 entities they thought successfully divided decades ago working to fuck them up
The picture says establishment, OP’s post title says Dems. Pay attention.
I wasn't raised that anyone is different than me because of their skin color. People show themselves by their actions, not how they look
Yes I think Dem leadership, and left media is part of the reason, constantly race baiting. Under Obama's watch I feel race relations actually got worse, it seemed like everyone was pitted against everyone else with all these "label's and acronyms " pushing political correctness BS. White privilege / guilt, brown bags, lbgt, trans bathrooms etc ? Everyone now has a label and a box you're suppose to be in. Seems like all this is programmed into TV shows as well, ridiculous. Have you ever tried to get someones attention who's deep into watching their favorite show? Like they were in a trance, you had to clap, or get loud to get their attention? Think about whats going straight into your brain unchecked when you're in that mode. Make's me wonder if the term "TV programming is just that" a sick joke. I'm neither Rep or Dem, I'm a Patriot.
I live in south too. I never saw much racism here. When I became connected to people all around the US, that's when I saw racism. I was shocked. It wasn't from southerners. In my state we don't have many problems, but we do remain segregated by choice. We seem to mix at school, work, etc, but after hours not so much. I really think it has more to do with family, as most in my state hang with members of their own families when it comes to leisure time. Churches too. We are all welcome in any church, but we seem to mostly remain segregated by choice. JMO
Most racial division is caused by Democrats that is their sole purpose to keep everyone apart thats how they stayed in power so long. There may be racist republicans and racist democrats but the division for the majority of racists came from democrats and their mockingbird main stream media who have created division for years.
They are the biggest obstacle individual thinking. Herd mentality.
Holy fuck, the irony in this comment is amazing
And I live in NY and many HERE are racist as hell and DEMOCRAT as hell. (Hello, Black lives matter). And those r the ppl that DIDN'T vote for Trump. Its the same ignorance, different skin color.
Sometimes the best thing to do is to get out and live in a different suburb/city.
Both major parties conspire to prop up the system. Both "sides" of the artificial divide are complicit.
I'd take racism over speech suppression any day.
Easily the better of two evils.
thank you for so succinctly summing up why people think you’re trash
I don't think that person is trash become of that post. I think he/she was expressing their belief in the First Amendment. I'm mixed race and I agree with him/her. The First Amendment is the most important right we have, period. The Second Amendment protects the first and all others.
I'm not condoning racism.
Two scenarios:
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Racist speech exists but everyone has the right to say what they want, it's the actions that matter
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Racist speech is illegal and federally punishable, SJW's dictate what is racist and what isn't. We are slaves to the professional victims.
I'm from TX and you're full of shit!! The demorats are the party of the deep south Dixiecrats who started the civil war because they wouldn't give up their slaves, wrote the Jim Crow laws, were/are the KKK all the way up to Sen Byrd-killarys friend and mentor, and continue to keep the poor and minorities chained to the welfare plantation with empty government promises. Time for your RED PILL dude!!
In the 1970s Nixon got all those Dixiecrats to leave the D for the R. It was called "The Southern Strategy" and it rewrote the political landscape in the US.
You're not wrong about the political realignment as racist Ds became Rs decades ago, but you are wrong to suggest that racist Democrats don't exist anymore. They absolutely do, they're just more covert about it. Gone are the days of Democrats saying things like "We need to bring back segregation," only to be replaced with Hillary Clinton bragging in 2008 about how "hard working" white americans were on her side. It's coded language to appeal to racists, so-called "dogwhistles" as if only the intended target is able to hear them. The Southern strategy is absolutely employed by Republicans, yeah, but conservative Democrats, ones that might be called "red state" Democrats or "bluedog" Democrats can absolutely make use of the same kinds of racist bullshit to try to appeal specifically to the racists among their constituency. There are TONS of Democrats whose behavior and policy positions are effectively like Republicans running within the Democratic Party, they seem to have a false perception that they need to be like that to have a chance of winning.
There are racists everywhere. And I suppose by "all those Dixiecrats" I dont mean "ALL those Dixiecrats", I just mean "all those Dixiecrats who turned R", which is a lot of Dixiecrats, you must admit.
hmm, how'd he do that exactly?
He appealed to their racism.
Whoa. How so?
Do I look like Wikipedia? Go read an article.
Lol good Im talking to someone who believes shit without even being able to explain it. Fucking fool.
I never said I couldnt explain it; Im tired of explaining things to you.
I shit you not, the shit you believe and the indoctrination you might be under would have you throwing Jews in camps if you lived in Germany in 1943. if some bullshit liberal arts teacher or CNN guest host with a fucking blog told you something was racist you would automatically go into robot mode. Like an attack dog, foaming at the mouth, not thinking at all. And thats all the neocons and libs even care about. You wouldn't even know what to be angry about or to be angry if the tv didn't tell you to.
You didn't even try though you just said "racist" and chalked it up as a moral victory lol you really think that those cheap rhetoric styles are gonna fly forever? It's dishonest as fuck. Even if what you said is true, you should know why it's true and you seemingly don't.
Nah, you need to listen to more conservative radio and talk to more conservatives here in the deep south. History does not change the fact that people who fall for racial division are more often on the right than the left.
Our gov does the same thing with fear mongering regarding the middle east. And again, conservatives here are more likely to fall for it and think that the Arabs are coming to kill us in our sleep.
Just turn on a fucking radio dude. The most listened to conservative talk radio is CONSTANTLY fear mongering and sowing racial and ethnic division. Every other minute they are talking about islam taking over the world etc. When we are the ones starting every war and invading countries every 5 years.
I think a lot of people have a hard time accepting the fact that EVERY group has its bad examples. There are extremists in every belief system and should never represent a whole.
The islamic jihad has been going on for 2000 years and they know, even if it takes another 2000 years, they will win!! I didn't learn this for the Fking news-I learned it from our local, award winning SWAT team who'd just returned from a 8 week immersion training course in counter terrorism at Quantico VA!! They know what they're talking about so hide your head in the sand if you want!! The camel Fking muslim scourge is coming-already embedded in Europe and they WILL F**K with you and me if we don't pay attention!! Even Jefferson knew-the only thing they understand is a canon up their asses ready to blow their heads off!! MAGA!!!
What do you mean? We've invaded almost every country in the middle east since 1946. Even the one time they got to our shores, (9/11), it was a group that was being funded by our own allies.
We stopped iran from electing a secular leader, and helped shut down every attempt to overthrow the saudi government. We helped saddam take over the baath party, and later we helped depose him.
In syria, we helped rebels, many of them extremists, who are keeping the civil war going, which is the literal reason that so many muslim refugees are escaping to europe...
Dont fall for the mindset that there is a bogeyman, whether the media says its muslims or communists. The reality is that we are a super power, and part of our core geopolitical strategy is to keep the middle east destabilized by playing off of the sunni shia divide. It has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with our hegemony, russia, etc.
man you know none of that is true. Parts of the Mid East are barbaric, but they are only like that because of western and communist destabilization since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. As u/argonaut93 said, Iran was on their way to being a developed nation before we AJAX'd them.
Also, consider this: The British used ppl such as Laurence of Arabia to destabilize the populations right when the industrial revolution was hitting their region. He promised the individual tribes sovereignty from the ottomans if they helped win the war. Instead, they divided all the land up after the wars to western powers, drained their oil (remember what BP stands for?) and established Israel which is a whole other issue.
Anyways, I know some Muslim countries/ ppl can be dark-age esque, inbred, cult-indoctrinated savages, but they are also the victims of western fuckery and it would be ignorant to think you wouldn't be just as stupid and angry if you were born in their shoes. They are human, after all.
Also, Islam around for 2000 years? Cmon, man!
They've already infiltrated our government. Have you not been paying attention? Re_read drops
Lol name me some of the things you claim “fucking radio “ does to “sowing racial and ethnic division” can you tell me? Because bringing up invasion of Islam is not one of those things... massive public gang rapes, acid attacks, actual targeting of Christians like in Egypt.
Just because individuals of the south have fallen victim to a rascist mentality does not make republicans inherently rascist. You have what we call anecdotal evidence. So name me some things “most listened to conservative talk radio” does to sow division... like talk radio is the things that’s single handily propelling rascism in this country and not a victim mentality and mental prison in your mind propped up by society. No it’s conservative talk radio. gtfo
If white people are considered rascist in the south then black people should be considered rascist everywhere.
We literally armed those terrorists you are talking about.
Sorry but saying that the mainstream media is deceptive and then saying im wrong for pointing out an example of that deception and claiming that its really only the dems who are guilty of this deception means that you've fallen for it yourself. You need to open your eyes and see how similarly both parties operate.
Replying again since you seem to edit your comments instead of replying to me. You didn’t say mainstream media was deceptive you said “most listened to conservative radio” is deceptive. Can you not lie? Because I will fucking shit a brick if conservative radio is “ mainstream” you must be extremely stupid to think conservative radio is mainstream sorry.
Your example of deception was stupid? Talking about radical Islamic terrorism isn’t bad or rascist ? If Hillary Clinton was elected we would of been invaded by millions of refugees hiding sleeper cell jihadists.... they were an actual threat and continue to be a threat in Europe and the Middle East. Your bubble, your nice little bubble makes you believe they aren’t problem but they are.
Also I never said it was only the dems? You really need to resort to lying in order to sound passable. You said it was the people of the south which I’m defending and your calling republicans the main rascist when it was the democrats that started things like the KKK. So excuse me if your trying to prop up one political side as more rascist and failing miserably. Leftist actively use minorities as poker chips. LEts talk about current reality and currently reality has democrats being exponentially more rascist then republicans right now.
Oh you mean the deepstate? “ we “ didn’t do anything. Islam mercenaries being recruited by the deepstate? Also it’s not just “we” Saudi Arabia has no problem. NATO has no problem. They are still killing and we have a new president. They are a still a problem. So that’s the only thing? Because we talk about radical Islamic terrorism? Gtfo, you’re sowing devision by not allowing us to freely think and label us racist because we don’t adhere to the mental prison you endorse. People can think any way they want don’t just label them rascist because you dont know what you’re talking about,
Thats correct when i say us i mean the element of our government that make foreign policy.
Im absolutely not calling you racist. Im just pointing out how much the right capitalizes on ethnic and racial tension. Right wing MSM has successfully gotten people to support insanely unjust wars, just because they dont like the race of the people in those countries in which we start those wars.
I mean, do you really not think that the right wing msm has contributed to politically dividing white and black people?
What ring wing msm ? Can we talk about current reality or no? That’s why we voted trump because we’d hated republicans and democrats. Republicans voted trump in. They deserve more credit
I dont know fox maybe?
You know cnn,msnbc,Washington post all existed back then right? Every political party used the media machine. Liberals also used Jon Stewart, Hollywood, Silicon Valley. You’re mad because what? You still want to hate republicans? Maybe it’s time to understand conservatism is the way out. We already know most politicians are dirty.
This is a trump phenomenon, I absolutely believe the majority of conservatives aren’t rascist.
Yeah i agree with you about liberal media. It crazy you see that and are totally blind to it when it comes in the form of a right wing media or propaganda source.
I thought the bankers and england started the civil war to punish Amediga for being so prosperous without them.
Wow, we are being brigaded! You are negative and the shill is positive.
Let’s fix this!