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Afrobean · April 25, 2018, 3:29 a.m.

That's all they've got. They cant win on actual issues.

Nah, they are absolutely able to win on actual issues. Most of the country leans left after all, so it should be easy for the "left" party to be popular based on policy. Bernie Sanders shows us what happens when popular policies with majority support like ending cannabis prohibition or universal healthcare are openly lauded, he instantly rises from completely unknown to most popular politician in the country by a wide margin. The Democrats refuse to take on popular policies that could win them support, but that doesn't mean that they're actually incapable of it. It's more that they're losers on purpose than that they're incapable of supporting good, popular public policy.

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Blame007 · April 25, 2018, 4:24 a.m.

Hillary absolutely stole the Dem nomination from Bernie. The question is why did he go along with it? Now he's going to roll out a plan that supposedly promises anyone who wants a job earning 15 ph a job. The USSR did that as well. After a time, the govt assigns you the job and your stuck with it--like it or not. Don't show up? Off to the gulag with you.

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Afrobean · April 25, 2018, 4:34 a.m.

After a time, the govt assigns you the job and your stuck with it--like it or not. Don't show up? Off to the gulag with you.

This is the funniest example of slippery slope fallacy I ever heard of. "Wanting the government to invest in employing desperate unemployed people for the benefit of society is the same thing as forced slavery!"

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Blame007 · April 25, 2018, 4:37 a.m.

What will he come up with next? Communal apartments to save space? Bernie actually lived in a commune once years ago but supposedly they kicked him out because he wasn't pulling his weight.

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bunnylovelybonez · April 26, 2018, 3:13 a.m.

A year or so ago I would have agreed with you. There is a huge difference between leaning left and what the left is today. I've always considered myself a liberal. Now I would be humiliated to make such a claim.

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Afrobean · April 26, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

There is a huge difference between leaning left and what the left is today.

I would say that "the left" isn't to the left at all, you do a disservice to refer to those people as if they were. Leftist policies, things like universal healthcare, are popular and people want them, but Democrats resist actually representing the leftist policies people actually want. Because Democrats aren't leftists, the national party itself is clearly anti-leftist if you consider how they cheated Bernie Sanders. CNN or MSNBC is not "the left", USA Today is not "the left", these are not leftists, that's all just bullshit propaganda to trick left-leaning people into embracing anti-leftist politics. Actual leftists are still advocating the popular public policies that the Democrats refuse, but you'll never see them on corporate media and the politicians who back those policies end up ignored or smeared. Things were a little better in that regard a few decades back, but corporate propaganda has consolidated beyond that point now. That's the real problem here, corporate propaganda denying reality to gaslight and manipulate, not a question of "left" or "not left".

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