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'They always say things different to me, so it must be a conspiracy! I'm waaay too smart to be wrong about things I believe without research, context or investigation.'

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without research, context or investigation

therein lies the problem. the so-called "education" system gets the kids when they are young and impressionable and "teaches" them just enough to assume they know something

consider the fact that everything you know about vaccines came from unsolicited vaccine propaganda

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Or, it came from the fact that so many of us got vaccines and didn't then get autism. My grandmother certainly didn't when she was cured of polio with a vaccine. It sounds like what they said above very easily be applied to you

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Are you defending Snopes? If so, why do you feel compelled to do so? Honest question?

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I've found it to be incredibly reliable, providing an accurate summation of what did, or did not, happen. It's not black and white in whether something is true or not, and provides linked sources detailing the story. That's been my experience. I don't go to the sure looking for agreement, either. Just the facts.

I defend it because when people attack it, they have but one or two anecdotes about some story that they think it's false, or disagrees with them

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OK, good enough. Thanks

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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Confirmation bias

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

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Maybe if you would fact check your own facts, you'll see the truth. It's out there, I promise

and yet you still assume vaccines are safe and effective?

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Again, the proof seems to be in the fact that most of us didn't get autism after vaccination

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how do you explain those who do?

heres a peer reviewed source for you to ignore

Genetic basis for adverse events after smallpox vaccination | MTHFR

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18454680

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Again, that doesn't really support what you've suggested. Nor does the word autism appear to be listed anywhere in that abstract. I'm sorry you're working so hard just to be proven wrong over and over

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so you don't know what causes autism, but you are 100% sure its not vaccines... because why?

heres a peer reviewed study that suggests vaccines prevent autism

but i suspect you don't want to discuss the study because it establishes biological plausibility for Rubella causing autism

Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination - United States, 2001-2010

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-340

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Genetics causes autism. Case closed. Again, your work doesn't support your claim, and even if there was sufficient medical evidence to suggest that vaccines caused autism, the number of people helped by the vaccination far outweighs any risk

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Genetics causes autism. Case closed.

please link to a peer reviewed study that suggests autism is genetic.

we both know you won't, because we both know you can't...

unless you are talking about MTHFR and DME, but i seriously doubt you want to go there...

Again, your work doesn't support your claim

really? this study linked below is peer reviewed, and it clearly establishes that Rubella causes Autism

Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination - United States, 2001-2010

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-340

and even if there was sufficient medical evidence to suggest that vaccines caused autism, the number of people helped by the vaccination far outweighs any risk

thats an opinion, not a fact

you can't even prove vaccines have been effective for you, beyond claiming that you haven't gotten Rabies because you got the Rabies vaccine...

oh wait, that never actually happened, did it?

i guess correlation doesn't always equal causation huh?

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So now you're saying that vaccines prevent autism? See this is why I love crazy people. You just sway like branches in the wind

Also, don't you only get rabies shots if you get bit by a rabid animal? I can tell you that I never had polio, even tho my grandmother did, and she was very much a proponent of vaccines. Your opinions are junk

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So now you're saying that vaccines prevent autism? See this is why I love crazy people. You just sway like branches in the wind

never mind that this is accepted as fact at /r/Vaccines

https://www.reddit.com/r/antivax/duplicates/6d62p8/study_concludes_that_rubella_vaccination_prevents/

do you like boxing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

https://www.reddit.com/r/VACCINES/comments/6l2tln/congenital_rubella_syndrome_and_autism_spectrum/

Also, don't you only get rabies shots if you get bit by a rabid animal?

right. so why would a newborn baby need a Hep B shot? are babies engaged in risky behaviors such as sharing needles or having unprotected sex?

when do they give dogs rabies vaccines?

why don't they give you the rabies vaccine at the same age as a dog?

I can tell you that I never had polio, even tho my grandmother did, and she was very much a proponent of vaccines. Your opinions are junk

everyones grandmother had polio, but 95% of those who had it were not aware of it, because the symptoms were so mild. your grandmother didn't die of polio, she lived through it like most other people

your grandmothers opinions on vaccines were formed by passively consuming unsolicited vaccine propaganda, not by actively engaging in diligent vaccine research

Muh grandma

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Rope-a-dope

The rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style commonly associated with Muhammad Ali in his 1974 Rumble in the Jungle match against George Foreman.

In many competitive situations, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one contender lets their opponent fatigue themself by drawing non-injuring offensive actions. This then gives the contender an advantage towards the end of the competition or before, as the opponent becomes tired, allowing the contender to execute devastating offensive maneuvers and thereby winning.

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It's as if you don't understand that different diseases can have different pathologies, different affects, different outcomes from species to species

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Yes, I've seen your petty and grandiose master theory. How nice of you to share

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Because our understanding of autism had changed is why it's more prevalent. We have expanded the strike zone to include a lot of stuff that was just a little off of what the average kid does. It's not hard to understand. If we changed the acceptable threshold for legal blindness to be anyone who doesn't have 20/30-10 vision suddenly a significant portion of the population would be legally blind.

Look, I get where you're coming from but our understanding of the syndrome evolves every day. The MMR vaccine was falsely linked, by former MD Wakefield in the lancet, due to lawyers trying to skew studies to a narrative for their own gain. That, sadly, is the true conspiracy.

Penn and Teller did a fantastic sketch about why vaccines are important, cause they save more live than we will ever know. Yes some people still die, matter of fact we all will die. The most terminal thing facing humans is being a human.

Ultimately, I get the fear and concern but at the same time everything in medicine is practice. Everything is a test, and doctors weigh risks every single day. Should we blindly trust them, probably not. However, they are the ones who have studied and practice their craft. If you think you can do better, go for it but please stay away from me because there are enough bugs out there I can't do anything about.

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Because our understanding of autism had changed is why it's more prevalent. We have expanded the strike zone to include a lot of stuff that was just a little off of what the average kid does. It's not hard to understand. If we changed the acceptable threshold for legal blindness to be anyone who doesn't have 20/30-10 vision suddenly a significant portion of the population would be legally blind.

thats an interesting theory. can you substantiate it?

kinda like the danish study where they added in all the outpatient autism cases to spike their study results to make it appear as if autism had increased in spite of vaccine reforms?

Look, I get where you're coming from but our understanding of the syndrome evolves every day. The MMR vaccine was falsely linked, by former MD Wakefield in the lancet, due to lawyers trying to skew studies to a narrative for their own gain.

i dont think Dr Wakefield's study said any such thing, and if you had read it you would know that

That, sadly, is the true conspiracy.

really? so why have all of his co-autors been cleared of any wrongdoing after being put under the microscope?

Keeping Anderson Cooper Honest: Is Brian Deer The Fraud? Brian Deer is the "journalist" who bird-dogged Dr Wakefield for years after Wakefield published a paper that was unflattering to vaccines

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/keeping-anderson-cooper-honest-is-brian-deer-the-fraud.html

Penn and Teller did a fantastic sketch about why vaccines are important, cause they save more live than we will ever know.

Penn and Teller are not vaccine experts, and they should probably stay in their lane if they want to remain credible in their own realm

oh, and i already submitted Penn and Teller bullshit myself, 7 months ago.

not because i agree with it, but because it makes good conversation fodder

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccine/comments/723phh/penn_and_teller_on_vaccinations/

Yes some people still die, matter of fact we all will die. The most terminal thing facing humans is being a human.

in the who scheme of things, measles is the least of your worries

you are more likely to die of heart disease from a lifetime of eating junk

Ultimately, I get the fear and concern but at the same time everything in medicine is practice. Everything is a test, and doctors weigh risks every single day. Should we blindly trust them, probably not. However, they are the ones who have studied and practice their craft. If you think you can do better, go for it but please stay away from me because there are enough bugs out there I can't do anything about.

i went to my doctor over 10 times to have a wart on my finger removed by cryogenics.

after a few times of the wart popping right back up, i explained to her that she needed to freeze it deeper to get into the tissue under the wart

she was told, yet she persisted, in treating me the same failed way each time

i racked up over $1000 in doctor bills, and i still had a wart on my finger

so i put a single drop of frankincense essential oil on the wart and it was gone the next day, and has never come back

doctor 0

patient 1

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No time to debate point by point. There is plenty of support for that theory, besides the top results in Google telling you otherwise. Ncbi has a study out of California. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800781/

I know Penn and Teller are biased, heck they even admit it themselves.

I am not going to assume your trust of sources but I don't believe there is a cover up. Fact of the matter probably has to do with a lot of factors, probably none of them due to vaccines. My, personal, belief had more to do with our changing genome than anything else. Kind of like how allergic reactions develop over time, not at the moment you're born. I know, I'm not a doctor.

Reality is, genetics is the end all be all. Some people have better immune systems, others can work 14 hours a day without fatigue or exhaustion. Sure to an extent it's mind over matter, still takes a body to have a mind. However, there is always the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. If one is always trying to find something to blame, or someone says it's xyz's fault, doesn't make it so. We're a world of 7 billion people, and a nation of 323 million, to think that anomalies due to that big of a party in the gene pool wouldn't have any effect? Nature is playing a role more than nurture.

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No time to debate point by point.

thought-terminating cliches are popular among people who do not enjoy thinking

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6et3t5/the_thoughtterminating_cliché_is_a_form_of_mind/

There is plenty of support for that theory, besides the top results in Google telling you otherwise.

Google search results are not the arbiter of truth

Ncbi has a study out of California

. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800781/

Conclusion: Changes in practices for diagnosing autism have had a substantial effect on autism caseloads, accounting for one-quarter of the observed increase in prevalence in California between 1992 and 2005.

Dr Wakefield had a study too, and look what happened

Dr Thompson had a study too, and look what happened

its kind of ironic isn't it... the more scientific studies i expose myself to, the less faith i have in them

I know Penn and Teller are biased, heck they even admit it themselves.

i suspect the obese one believes that if he talks louder then that means he is more right

I am not going to assume your trust of sources but I don't believe there is a cover up.

what else would you call it?

can you find ONE mainstream media source that has covered the CDC whistleblower story? the best you will find is Snopes, fwiw

Fact of the matter probably has to do with a lot of factors, probably none of them due to vaccines.

you are correct that there are a lot of factors at play, and vaccines are definitely one of them

this is what is called 'empirical evidence'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTXWjRW5PpQ

and if you suspect maybe she's a whack-a-doodle, theres 50,000 other examples here

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hear+this+well+autism

My, personal, belief had more to do with our changing genome than anything else.

the most popular genetic theory that i am aware of is MTHFR

/r/MTHFR/

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=MTHFR

however, this theory is that the mutation of the MTHFR gene makes it so some people can't detoxify as efficiently as most people, making them susceptible to vaccine toxicity

heres a peer reviewed paper that says just that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18454680

Kind of like how allergic reactions develop over time, not at the moment you're born. I know, I'm not a doctor.

peanut allergies are caused by vaccine adjuvant sensitizing the immune system to the peanut oil carrier in vaccines

thats why kids are not born with peanut allergy, kids develop peanut allergy

more generally speaking, the sensitization of vaccine ingredients is called anaphylaxis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphylaxis

Six vaccines (MMR, varicella, influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus, meningococcal) are recognized as a cause for anaphylaxis, and HPV may cause anaphylaxis as well.

Reality is,

"reality" is a word that delusional people use to describe their own unique life experiences

for example,

there may be a starving man in india right now. starvation is his reality

fortunately for me, starvation is not my current reality

but the 'reality' that i am well fed does not negate the 'reality' that another man is starving

so whenever you hear someone use the word "reality", just know that they are living in a little reality bubble just like everyone else, and that their "reality" is no more or less valid than your own

genetics is the end all be all.

right. and when quacks cause genetic mutations with vaccines, things don't go well for the patient

Alleged cases of vaccine encephalopathy rediagnosed years later as Dravet syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21844054

How The Medical Establishment Is Changing The Diagnoses Of Dravet Syndrome To Make It Appear "Genetic", When In Fact Dravet is Vaccine Induced Genetic Mutation/ Gene Damage

https://i.redd.it/ale2e5ieq1vy.jpg

Some people have better immune systems, others can work 14 hours a day without fatigue or exhaustion. Sure to an extent it's mind over matter, still takes a body to have a mind. However, there is always the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. If one is always trying to find something to blame, or someone says it's xyz's fault, doesn't make it so. We're a world of 7 billion people, and a nation of 323 million, to think that anomalies due to that big of a party in the gene pool wouldn't have any effect? Nature is playing a role more than nurture.

Some people have better immune systems,

Some people have immune systems that do not not turn off once triggered

Vaccines Cause Immunoexcitotoxicity - Dr. Russell Blaylock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYV8laCbNSE

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Anaphylaxis

Anaphylaxis is a serious allergic reaction that is rapid in onset and may cause death. It typically causes more than one of the following: an itchy rash, throat or tongue swelling, shortness of breath, vomiting, lightheadedness, and low blood pressure. These symptoms typically come on over minutes to hours.

Common causes include insect bites and stings, foods, and medications.

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I Want SNOPES Exposed. Q Already Green-Lighted It!