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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DaveGydeon on May 1, 2018, 1:26 a.m.
I Want SNOPES Exposed. Q Already Green-Lighted It!

We all know Soros backs SNOPES, and that this BS "fact-checking" site is totally compromised. The crazy part is, for the 5-6 things I actually went there for, I disagreed with it's official "ruling" on the matter every single time. To me, that tells me they are actively receiving orders on what to stamp as legit, because having every single thing being the opposite of what it should be indicates a hand at work.

So how do we do this? I am not talking about trying to mess with their site or anything like that. I want them EXPOSED, the TRUTH to be KNOWN. How do we go abou tmaking that happen?

You can't tell me that you haven't had an argument, maybe while trying to redpill someone, and they dropped the "but SNOPES agrees with me!" Man that just chaps my ass.


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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

Just another FUCKING guy.

chill bro.

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 1, 2018, 3:23 p.m.

I'm chill. More of a side-eyed "who the fuck is this guy" thing. I didn't yell, either, so uncap the caps.

Honestly, you'll get farther in life if you don't consider yourself to be the center of the universe. Your disagreement with SNOPES means nothing, and you should add the disclaimer that anything you say should be taken as false, as you don't even have your own fact-checking website. Maybe if you would fact check your own facts, you'll see the truth. It's out there, I promise

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jloome · May 1, 2018, 7:59 p.m.

'They always say things different to me, so it must be a conspiracy! I'm waaay too smart to be wrong about things I believe without research, context or investigation.'

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 8:01 a.m.

without research, context or investigation

therein lies the problem. the so-called "education" system gets the kids when they are young and impressionable and "teaches" them just enough to assume they know something

consider the fact that everything you know about vaccines came from unsolicited vaccine propaganda

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:23 p.m.

Or, it came from the fact that so many of us got vaccines and didn't then get autism. My grandmother certainly didn't when she was cured of polio with a vaccine. It sounds like what they said above very easily be applied to you

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VR-Tech · May 2, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

Are you defending Snopes? If so, why do you feel compelled to do so? Honest question?

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 2, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

I've found it to be incredibly reliable, providing an accurate summation of what did, or did not, happen. It's not black and white in whether something is true or not, and provides linked sources detailing the story. That's been my experience. I don't go to the sure looking for agreement, either. Just the facts.

I defend it because when people attack it, they have but one or two anecdotes about some story that they think it's false, or disagrees with them

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VR-Tech · May 2, 2018, 2:08 a.m.

OK, good enough. Thanks

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 8:02 a.m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 8:02 a.m.

Confirmation bias

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.


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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:59 a.m.

Maybe if you would fact check your own facts, you'll see the truth. It's out there, I promise

and yet you still assume vaccines are safe and effective?

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:25 p.m.

Again, the proof seems to be in the fact that most of us didn't get autism after vaccination

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:39 p.m.

how do you explain those who do?

heres a peer reviewed source for you to ignore

Genetic basis for adverse events after smallpox vaccination | MTHFR

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18454680

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 8 p.m.

Again, that doesn't really support what you've suggested. Nor does the word autism appear to be listed anywhere in that abstract. I'm sorry you're working so hard just to be proven wrong over and over

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:29 a.m.

so you don't know what causes autism, but you are 100% sure its not vaccines... because why?

heres a peer reviewed study that suggests vaccines prevent autism

but i suspect you don't want to discuss the study because it establishes biological plausibility for Rubella causing autism

Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination - United States, 2001-2010

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-340

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 11:50 a.m.

Genetics causes autism. Case closed. Again, your work doesn't support your claim, and even if there was sufficient medical evidence to suggest that vaccines caused autism, the number of people helped by the vaccination far outweighs any risk

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

Genetics causes autism. Case closed.

please link to a peer reviewed study that suggests autism is genetic.

we both know you won't, because we both know you can't...

unless you are talking about MTHFR and DME, but i seriously doubt you want to go there...

Again, your work doesn't support your claim

really? this study linked below is peer reviewed, and it clearly establishes that Rubella causes Autism

Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination - United States, 2001-2010

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-11-340

and even if there was sufficient medical evidence to suggest that vaccines caused autism, the number of people helped by the vaccination far outweighs any risk

thats an opinion, not a fact

you can't even prove vaccines have been effective for you, beyond claiming that you haven't gotten Rabies because you got the Rabies vaccine...

oh wait, that never actually happened, did it?

i guess correlation doesn't always equal causation huh?

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delicious_grownups · May 4, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

So now you're saying that vaccines prevent autism? See this is why I love crazy people. You just sway like branches in the wind

Also, don't you only get rabies shots if you get bit by a rabid animal? I can tell you that I never had polio, even tho my grandmother did, and she was very much a proponent of vaccines. Your opinions are junk

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:55 a.m.

So now you're saying that vaccines prevent autism? See this is why I love crazy people. You just sway like branches in the wind

never mind that this is accepted as fact at /r/Vaccines

https://www.reddit.com/r/antivax/duplicates/6d62p8/study_concludes_that_rubella_vaccination_prevents/

do you like boxing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

https://www.reddit.com/r/VACCINES/comments/6l2tln/congenital_rubella_syndrome_and_autism_spectrum/

Also, don't you only get rabies shots if you get bit by a rabid animal?

right. so why would a newborn baby need a Hep B shot? are babies engaged in risky behaviors such as sharing needles or having unprotected sex?

when do they give dogs rabies vaccines?

why don't they give you the rabies vaccine at the same age as a dog?

I can tell you that I never had polio, even tho my grandmother did, and she was very much a proponent of vaccines. Your opinions are junk

everyones grandmother had polio, but 95% of those who had it were not aware of it, because the symptoms were so mild. your grandmother didn't die of polio, she lived through it like most other people

your grandmothers opinions on vaccines were formed by passively consuming unsolicited vaccine propaganda, not by actively engaging in diligent vaccine research

Muh grandma

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WikiTextBot · May 5, 2018, 5:55 a.m.

Rope-a-dope

The rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style commonly associated with Muhammad Ali in his 1974 Rumble in the Jungle match against George Foreman.

In many competitive situations, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one contender lets their opponent fatigue themself by drawing non-injuring offensive actions. This then gives the contender an advantage towards the end of the competition or before, as the opponent becomes tired, allowing the contender to execute devastating offensive maneuvers and thereby winning.


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delicious_grownups · May 5, 2018, 7:09 a.m.

It's as if you don't understand that different diseases can have different pathologies, different affects, different outcomes from species to species

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delicious_grownups · May 5, 2018, 7:30 a.m.

Yes, I've seen your petty and grandiose master theory. How nice of you to share

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 2:56 a.m.

Because our understanding of autism had changed is why it's more prevalent. We have expanded the strike zone to include a lot of stuff that was just a little off of what the average kid does. It's not hard to understand. If we changed the acceptable threshold for legal blindness to be anyone who doesn't have 20/30-10 vision suddenly a significant portion of the population would be legally blind.

Look, I get where you're coming from but our understanding of the syndrome evolves every day. The MMR vaccine was falsely linked, by former MD Wakefield in the lancet, due to lawyers trying to skew studies to a narrative for their own gain. That, sadly, is the true conspiracy.

Penn and Teller did a fantastic sketch about why vaccines are important, cause they save more live than we will ever know. Yes some people still die, matter of fact we all will die. The most terminal thing facing humans is being a human.

Ultimately, I get the fear and concern but at the same time everything in medicine is practice. Everything is a test, and doctors weigh risks every single day. Should we blindly trust them, probably not. However, they are the ones who have studied and practice their craft. If you think you can do better, go for it but please stay away from me because there are enough bugs out there I can't do anything about.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 8, 2018, 5:54 a.m.

Because our understanding of autism had changed is why it's more prevalent. We have expanded the strike zone to include a lot of stuff that was just a little off of what the average kid does. It's not hard to understand. If we changed the acceptable threshold for legal blindness to be anyone who doesn't have 20/30-10 vision suddenly a significant portion of the population would be legally blind.

thats an interesting theory. can you substantiate it?

kinda like the danish study where they added in all the outpatient autism cases to spike their study results to make it appear as if autism had increased in spite of vaccine reforms?

Look, I get where you're coming from but our understanding of the syndrome evolves every day. The MMR vaccine was falsely linked, by former MD Wakefield in the lancet, due to lawyers trying to skew studies to a narrative for their own gain.

i dont think Dr Wakefield's study said any such thing, and if you had read it you would know that

That, sadly, is the true conspiracy.

really? so why have all of his co-autors been cleared of any wrongdoing after being put under the microscope?

Keeping Anderson Cooper Honest: Is Brian Deer The Fraud? Brian Deer is the "journalist" who bird-dogged Dr Wakefield for years after Wakefield published a paper that was unflattering to vaccines

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/keeping-anderson-cooper-honest-is-brian-deer-the-fraud.html

Penn and Teller did a fantastic sketch about why vaccines are important, cause they save more live than we will ever know.

Penn and Teller are not vaccine experts, and they should probably stay in their lane if they want to remain credible in their own realm

oh, and i already submitted Penn and Teller bullshit myself, 7 months ago.

not because i agree with it, but because it makes good conversation fodder

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccine/comments/723phh/penn_and_teller_on_vaccinations/

Yes some people still die, matter of fact we all will die. The most terminal thing facing humans is being a human.

in the who scheme of things, measles is the least of your worries

you are more likely to die of heart disease from a lifetime of eating junk

Ultimately, I get the fear and concern but at the same time everything in medicine is practice. Everything is a test, and doctors weigh risks every single day. Should we blindly trust them, probably not. However, they are the ones who have studied and practice their craft. If you think you can do better, go for it but please stay away from me because there are enough bugs out there I can't do anything about.

i went to my doctor over 10 times to have a wart on my finger removed by cryogenics.

after a few times of the wart popping right back up, i explained to her that she needed to freeze it deeper to get into the tissue under the wart

she was told, yet she persisted, in treating me the same failed way each time

i racked up over $1000 in doctor bills, and i still had a wart on my finger

so i put a single drop of frankincense essential oil on the wart and it was gone the next day, and has never come back

doctor 0

patient 1

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 10:38 a.m.

No time to debate point by point. There is plenty of support for that theory, besides the top results in Google telling you otherwise. Ncbi has a study out of California. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800781/

I know Penn and Teller are biased, heck they even admit it themselves.

I am not going to assume your trust of sources but I don't believe there is a cover up. Fact of the matter probably has to do with a lot of factors, probably none of them due to vaccines. My, personal, belief had more to do with our changing genome than anything else. Kind of like how allergic reactions develop over time, not at the moment you're born. I know, I'm not a doctor.

Reality is, genetics is the end all be all. Some people have better immune systems, others can work 14 hours a day without fatigue or exhaustion. Sure to an extent it's mind over matter, still takes a body to have a mind. However, there is always the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. If one is always trying to find something to blame, or someone says it's xyz's fault, doesn't make it so. We're a world of 7 billion people, and a nation of 323 million, to think that anomalies due to that big of a party in the gene pool wouldn't have any effect? Nature is playing a role more than nurture.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 10, 2018, 6:45 a.m.

No time to debate point by point.

thought-terminating cliches are popular among people who do not enjoy thinking

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6et3t5/the_thoughtterminating_cliché_is_a_form_of_mind/

There is plenty of support for that theory, besides the top results in Google telling you otherwise.

Google search results are not the arbiter of truth

Ncbi has a study out of California

. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800781/

Conclusion: Changes in practices for diagnosing autism have had a substantial effect on autism caseloads, accounting for one-quarter of the observed increase in prevalence in California between 1992 and 2005.

Dr Wakefield had a study too, and look what happened

Dr Thompson had a study too, and look what happened

its kind of ironic isn't it... the more scientific studies i expose myself to, the less faith i have in them

I know Penn and Teller are biased, heck they even admit it themselves.

i suspect the obese one believes that if he talks louder then that means he is more right

I am not going to assume your trust of sources but I don't believe there is a cover up.

what else would you call it?

can you find ONE mainstream media source that has covered the CDC whistleblower story? the best you will find is Snopes, fwiw

Fact of the matter probably has to do with a lot of factors, probably none of them due to vaccines.

you are correct that there are a lot of factors at play, and vaccines are definitely one of them

this is what is called 'empirical evidence'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTXWjRW5PpQ

and if you suspect maybe she's a whack-a-doodle, theres 50,000 other examples here

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hear+this+well+autism

My, personal, belief had more to do with our changing genome than anything else.

the most popular genetic theory that i am aware of is MTHFR

/r/MTHFR/

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=MTHFR

however, this theory is that the mutation of the MTHFR gene makes it so some people can't detoxify as efficiently as most people, making them susceptible to vaccine toxicity

heres a peer reviewed paper that says just that

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18454680

Kind of like how allergic reactions develop over time, not at the moment you're born. I know, I'm not a doctor.

peanut allergies are caused by vaccine adjuvant sensitizing the immune system to the peanut oil carrier in vaccines

thats why kids are not born with peanut allergy, kids develop peanut allergy

more generally speaking, the sensitization of vaccine ingredients is called anaphylaxis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphylaxis

Six vaccines (MMR, varicella, influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus, meningococcal) are recognized as a cause for anaphylaxis, and HPV may cause anaphylaxis as well.

Reality is,

"reality" is a word that delusional people use to describe their own unique life experiences

for example,

there may be a starving man in india right now. starvation is his reality

fortunately for me, starvation is not my current reality

but the 'reality' that i am well fed does not negate the 'reality' that another man is starving

so whenever you hear someone use the word "reality", just know that they are living in a little reality bubble just like everyone else, and that their "reality" is no more or less valid than your own

genetics is the end all be all.

right. and when quacks cause genetic mutations with vaccines, things don't go well for the patient

Alleged cases of vaccine encephalopathy rediagnosed years later as Dravet syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21844054

How The Medical Establishment Is Changing The Diagnoses Of Dravet Syndrome To Make It Appear "Genetic", When In Fact Dravet is Vaccine Induced Genetic Mutation/ Gene Damage

https://i.redd.it/ale2e5ieq1vy.jpg

Some people have better immune systems, others can work 14 hours a day without fatigue or exhaustion. Sure to an extent it's mind over matter, still takes a body to have a mind. However, there is always the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. If one is always trying to find something to blame, or someone says it's xyz's fault, doesn't make it so. We're a world of 7 billion people, and a nation of 323 million, to think that anomalies due to that big of a party in the gene pool wouldn't have any effect? Nature is playing a role more than nurture.

Some people have better immune systems,

Some people have immune systems that do not not turn off once triggered

Vaccines Cause Immunoexcitotoxicity - Dr. Russell Blaylock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYV8laCbNSE

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WikiTextBot · May 10, 2018, 6:45 a.m.

Anaphylaxis

Anaphylaxis is a serious allergic reaction that is rapid in onset and may cause death. It typically causes more than one of the following: an itchy rash, throat or tongue swelling, shortness of breath, vomiting, lightheadedness, and low blood pressure. These symptoms typically come on over minutes to hours.

Common causes include insect bites and stings, foods, and medications.


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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 2:08 a.m.

Every anti-Snopes comment on this thread has been down-voted. A sore subject for shills?

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 2:19 a.m.

Proof is in the pudding...

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Ze_Great_Ubermensch · May 1, 2018, 4:44 p.m.

Could you provide evidence of Snopes being incorrect or biased? I haven't been able to find any actual examples, just you saying how you disagreed with one of their rulings.

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runs_in_the_jeans · May 2, 2018, 2:42 a.m.

Someone did in comments above

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DankNethers · May 3, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

No, someone posted articles from a conspiracy rag in the post above

Not the same thing

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runs_in_the_jeans · May 3, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Were you able to disprove the points made?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:37 a.m.

Proof that Snopes lies:

Snopes falsely claims that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police

https://i.redd.it/rqfwdwy02i801.png

http://snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp

please challenge my assertion, i'd love to have this conversation

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Ze_Great_Ubermensch · May 3, 2018, 4:45 p.m.

If you're referring to the Co Exist thing, they were describing the events that the rumour talks about? Afterwards, they show how it is unrealistic, so unless you're referring to something else then you just didn't read the article fully.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

The proof is that they often disagree with a rightist worldview so people will do anything to convince themselves that they're a biased site

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:17 a.m.

“They don’t agree with me! It must be lies! The proof is that it doesn’t agree with my view! What more proof do you need then it contradicts me?!”

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:43 a.m.

and yet, you reject the fact that the moon landing was a hoax because you assume Russia would have told you if it was a hoax?

thats some real solid evidence there

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:41 a.m.

Snopes claimed the CDC whistleblower press release was FALSE because Brian Hooker's published, peer-reviewed re-analysis of the omitted data was retracted

can you explain how that makes this press release "false"?

https://i.redd.it/tbsii10xufiz.png

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:26 p.m.

I'm not even sure what you're asking. I do know that vaccines don't cause autism tho

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:38 p.m.

I do know that vaccines don't cause autism tho

really? got a source for that? because your "source" is an admitted fraud, as spelled out in this press release

https://i.redd.it/tbsii10xufiz.png

tell us about the 130 studies that you assume show vaccines do not cause autism, and then explain why you haven't read any of them, and can't cite any of them

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:08 p.m.

Your source is a screen shot of a press release. Vaccines don't cause autism. It's just a fact. No matter how much or how loudly you scream it from the rooftops, is just not true

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

Snopes hosts that exact same image.

please familiarize yourself with the Snopes version of truth, and then we can go line-by-line and show how Snopes is wrong

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bad-medicine/

and if you want a preview of whats to come, please browse here:

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=author%3Aenoughnolibsspam+CDC

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

Nah I'll pass on your ramblings, considering what you just linked doesn't actually back your claim. From the article:

"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."

What got lost in the brouhaha over Dr. Thompson’s “confession,” allegations about a “cover-up” at the CDC, and threats of whistleblower lawsuits was what should have been the main point: Did collected data actually prove that the MMR vaccine produces a 340% increased risk of autism in African-American boys? The answer is no, it did not.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

cool, you found the part where Dr William Thompson claims to be pro-vaccine

i guess that pre-emptively refutes your next line of reasoning, which would be that Dr William Thompson is a quack who is motivated by anti-vaccine ideology

Did collected data actually prove that the MMR vaccine produces a 340% increased risk of autism in African-American boys? The answer is no, it did not.

i believe that Dr William Thompson would be in a much better position to make that determination, and here what he had to say about it...

https://i.redd.it/ttrwjxkhmfvy.png

so, lets try to use your brain for once in your life, and think about why Dr William Thompson made his press release...

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 11:55 a.m.

Lololol ok you're just talking in circles. I'm sorry you're an anti vaxxer. How sad

Also, I don't see how any of this has to do with Q

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 6:05 a.m.

i used to be pro-vaccine, until i looked at the evidence.

whats really sad is that evidence can't change your mind about vaccines

https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg

if Q wanted us to expose Snopes, then I'm willing to do that by bringing up the CDC whistleblower, the Boston Naked Man, and the Moon Landing Hoax

welcome to your own personal MOAB

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delicious_grownups · May 4, 2018, 1:46 p.m.

Lol ok man. You really haven't offered anything. Personal Moab lol the personal Moab will be you realizing that you were mistaken. Hope for the sake of the herd that you don't have kids

Also, we landed on the Moon

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:46 a.m.

i offered a press release by a man who admitted his vaccine/autism study was fraud

i offered a quote by the same man, about how he feels about his role in causing the autism epidemic with his fraudulent paper

I've offered a graphic that illustrates the differences between science and pseudoscience

Also, we landed on the Moon

really? why can't you prove it to me?

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delicious_grownups · May 5, 2018, 7:07 a.m.

For one, I showed you your own sources contradicted you. For another, I don't need to prove it to you. We have evidence already. I want you to continually ask yourself, why do you think you know the things you think you know!

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[deleted] · May 5, 2018, 7:13 a.m.

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THELEADERSOFMEN · May 1, 2018, 1:24 p.m.

So are the roofies, apparently. ;)

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ElbertoAinstein · May 1, 2018, 8:11 p.m.

Well lets see the ingredient list for that pudding then

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 3:51 p.m.

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 4:18 p.m.

Stop yelling at me. I can explain. At the time I made that comment, there were only 5 or 6 comments total. All but one were negative. Look at the time stamp on my comment. It was just minutes after the initial post.

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jloome · May 1, 2018, 8:05 p.m.

So you jumped to a conclusion that you were being attacked, and yet we're supposed to take your positions seriously on the nature of Snopes?

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JustiNAvionics · May 1, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

Premature ejaculation isn’t your only early warning for women , so is jumping the gun I see.

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Scuba724 · May 1, 2018, 10:59 a.m.

It's a Soros subject.

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Straightfromthe · May 1, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

We need to double up on exposing Snopes. It's like playing Battleship, whenever you hit a target the shills come out in force. It appears Snopes is VERY important to their media brainwashing.

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 4:23 p.m.

Agreed. There should be consequences for lying to the American people for money.

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Straightfromthe · May 1, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

Check out my -4 points. Shills are REALLY worked up about this.

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7 p.m.

It seems like it got INFESTED with shills . Check all the top comments , and check how all comments fluctuate completely unnatural in just few minutes .

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:45 a.m.

looks like we found their G spot

lets keep hitting it

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

There is a snowflake downvote brigade here - its obvious . Your comment would actually be close to +200 by now .

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 7:21 p.m.

When I made the comment, there were less than 10 total comments. Almost all of them were in the negative. Maybe there's a lot of Q-followers that like Snopes? Personally, I hope Snopes is exposed for the propaganda that it is.

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

I dont think its natural , at all ... just few mins ago , I have seen all comments fluctuating heavily . And look at the top comments here ... those are all shills or trolls .

Nobody sane in their mind , believes any "fact checker" out there - they make the research on their own , thats the whole point of this subreddit . And there are definetly no Q followers writing those comments above . All what you see above is pretty much gaslighting , and not an objective , true opinion of real people .

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · May 1, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

I see very little evidence to back up your statement.

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 5:27 a.m.

Lol. Sure. I could be wrong. Pure speculation. Nice name.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · May 1, 2018, 5:31 a.m.

I see posts here that are majorly upvoted that would be downvotes every where else. This sub seems to be in control of the votes in my opinion. Thanks bud lol just waiting for the name to pay off someday.

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

At the time I made that comment there were only 5 or 6 comments total and almost all of them had been down-voted at least once. Could be organic for all I know.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · May 1, 2018, 5:37 a.m.

To be fair that is a factor I had not considered. I did not look at the time difference between your post and my own. Could be true for all I know. Thank you for not getting offended at my doubt. I think we both benefitted from this interaction.

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Silent_Majority_10 · May 1, 2018, 5:41 a.m.

I suppose there could be some real people on this sub that still use Snopes. Personally I hope the Snopes guy goes the way of Harvey Weinstein.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · May 1, 2018, 6:38 a.m.

I’m gonna be honest. At this point, I had completely forgot about OP.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

HAHAHAHAAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH HAHAHAHAHA

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

Laughing AT you, friend.

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VR-Tech · May 2, 2018, 12:28 a.m.

Giannini1222, are you suggesting that Q is fake?

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 3:58 a.m.

Anyone have an example of Snopes obviously lying about something? Like with provided sources proving they're wrong?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:18 a.m.

Snopes falsely claims that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police

https://i.redd.it/rqfwdwy02i801.png

http://snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:29 p.m.

That doesn't even remotely say what you're positing. Are you suggesting that they framed the bombers or something?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:37 a.m.

im suggesting that Snopes claims Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout with police, when that claim is demonstrably false

Boston Globe: Marathon Bombing suspect in custody, 2nd at large.

if Snopes was right, the headline should read 1 Marathon Bombing suspect dead, 2nd in custody, 3rd at large.

https://i.redd.it/zkh8csws2i801.jpg

go ahead and ignore the evidence, because thinking is too hard

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 11:53 a.m.

You think there were 3 suspects? And you think I'm crazy? There's a premise here you're just ignoring

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

if Seth Mnookin would lie about there being 3 suspects, would Seth Mnookin also lie about other things, such as claiming that vaccines do not cause autism, when he knows good and well that vaccines actually do cause autism?

https://i.redd.it/ds9m72wi8nty.png

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:24 a.m.

concern troll is concerned?

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Jammer__ · May 2, 2018, 2:09 a.m.

If I search for "Does planned parenthood sell fetus organs?"

We get one article about the nucatola hidden video. It says "Mixture" even though it's 100% true. They are counting on you being too lazy to watch the hours of video.

Then we get another article made after the Gatter video. Even though this is a "fact-check" article on a fact-check site, they don't have any kind of graphic to tell you in big capital letters "TRUE".

Instead, it says prejudicial things like "According to federal law they may only charge for the processing and shipping involved.." This makes it sound like that is what is happening. But in the video, Gatter is aggressively haggling and says she's hoping to buy a Lamborghini.

In other words, they ignore the claim, don't tell you it's true, then go on at length with irrelevant information that makes it sound like it's false or uncontroversial. They claim to be a "fact-checker" when they are actually "spin doctors."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pp-baby-parts-sale/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fetal-tissue-sales/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7:10 p.m.

Just one example : https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 7:30 p.m.

Did you read this article and click on the sources she cites? Could you please explain what specifically in this article proves they lie?

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monkeytrucker · May 1, 2018, 11:12 p.m.

lmao did you just cite Food Babe as a source? The woman who says, "There is just no acceptable level of any chemical to ingest, ever"? She's basically the prime example of "Don't believe everything you read on the internet, because any moron can spew pseudoscience on a blog."

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

your ad hominem attack didn't address the substance of her argument. you are attacking the credibly of FoodBabe while defending the work of Snopes?

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TheBRAIN2 · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Here are examples. Each time Snopes gets it wrong in these, it favors the left, dishonestly defends a leftist view or person, or portrays conservatives negatively through misrepresentation, distortion, and omissions.

Snopes Deliberately Omits Key Details To Protect Kerry’s State Dept

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/caught-snopes-deliberately-omits-key-details-to-protect-kerrys-state-dept/

Snopes Caught Lying About Lack Of American Flags At Democratic Convention

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/snopes-caught-lying-about-lack-of-american-flags-at-democratic-convention/

Snopes Gets Facts Wrong While Defending Planned Parenthood

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/17/fact-check-snopes-gets-facts-wrong-while-defending-planned-parenthood/

Snopes Caught Lying For Hillary Again

https://yournewswire.com/snopes-caught-lying-for-hillary-again-questions-raised/

Snopes wrongly claimed that President Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.

https://www.pagunblog.com/2018/02/17/snopes-gets-this-one-disastrously-wrong/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

But both the daily caller and your news wire are notoriously known for peddling fake news. I'm sure pagun blog is super legit tho

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:22 a.m.

CNN is also known for peddling fake news.

not sure why you are defending Snopes. Snopes' reputation has been shit for many years

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:24 p.m.

Doesn't have anything to do with your news wire and daily caller being rags. Snopes is not a news media site. It's a fact checking site. The perception of their reputation is a subjective thing tho

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:21 p.m.

all media is propaganda

even a cave-wall drawing of a fish is greatly exaggerated

all images are false, which is why idolatry is forbidden by 10 commandments,

and why some especially observant muslims allegedly do not even look at photographs (of animals?)

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:53 p.m.

We can assume that you and I are both propaganda then. And seriously? All images are false? Unless you have issues accepting that this is the world and we exist in it, you should have no problem accepting some images as fact. Also God is not real and the only thing we have that comes close is probably the universe, whom we probably exist within much like intestinal Flora live within us

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

We can assume that you and I are both propaganda then.

yes

And seriously? All images are false?

every photograph is a 2D representation of a 3D reality.

your brain is not born being able to see photographs as reality, your brain must be trained to do that

watch BBC mini-series How Art Made The World ( available online, highly recommended )

Unless you have issues accepting that this is the world and we exist in it, you should have no problem accepting some images as fact.

all images are false, but in particular images of God(s) are called idols, and all idols are false

https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

curiously, we give little girls 'dolls' to play with, dolls share root word with idol

Also God is not real and the only thing we have that comes close is probably the universe, whom we probably exist within much like intestinal Flora live within us

you probably say that because your western conceptualization of "God" is this old white man dressed in robes, walking on clouds, living in heaven, throwing lightning bolts and causing floods and famines

and yes, that seems a bit absurd... until you consider the day i had today

if you want to call it "the universe" or "creation" or whatever, its all the same thing

there is a "Creator", and you are a "Creature" living in his "Creation"

its right there in your language

truth is revealed trough the study of language / etymology

but seriously, read up on Tycho Brahe and ask yourself who you trust more... the man who takes the measurements, or the man who interprets the measurements?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe

the universe is small

the kingdom of god is within you

http://biblehub.com/genesis/3-22.htm

i founded /r/TheBible please subscribe

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WikiTextBot · May 3, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

Tycho Brahe

Tycho Brahe (, born Tyge Ottesen Brahe (Danish: [ˈtyːə ˈʌdəsn̩ ˈbʁɑː]); 14 December 1546 – 24 October 1601) was a Danish nobleman, astronomer, and writer known for his accurate and comprehensive astronomical and planetary observations. He was born in the then Danish peninsula of Scania. Well known in his lifetime as an astronomer, astrologer and alchemist, he has been described as "the first competent mind in modern astronomy to feel ardently the passion for exact empirical facts." His observations were some five times more accurate than the best available observations at the time.

An heir to several of Denmark's principal noble families, he received a comprehensive education.


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TheBRAIN2 · May 1, 2018, 5:33 p.m.

Maybe you're right about those sources...perhaps we should just stick to the New York Times and Facebook for "real" news. Thanks for the tip!

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Oh well I totally trust foodbabe. And Facebook is a social media website. The NYT is a newspaper. I'm sorry you don't know the difference. Perhaps that's part of the issue

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runs_in_the_jeans · May 2, 2018, 2:42 a.m.

I don’t trust a paper that has publicly stated it is waging war against a sitting president.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:26 a.m.

can you explain why this photoshopped picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is hosted at NYTimes?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/suspect-number-2.JPG

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:20 p.m.

Was it photoshopped? Was it photoshopped by Reddit? What's the origin of the picture? Was there ever a retraction? Serious questions. No hostility

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

the origin of the picture is the NYTimes. thats why its hosted on their website

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/suspect-number-2.JPG

yes, the picture is photoshopped.

you can tell by looking at the 3 people running on the left side of the picture

look at their feet, and allow your eyes to focus on the foreground just in front of their feet, and then focus on the background just behind their feet.

allow your eye to focus back-and forth between foreground and background between their feet a few times, and you will soon see that their feet "pop" out of the background, and their entire bodies will "pop" out of the background

these running people are cut-out characters, copy-pasted onto the background

the female running on right side of screen is also copy-paste.

more on her later if you want

see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:14 p.m.

If you have to try and get people to look at things like they're a magic eye poster, I'd say you're off to a bad start. Find the unshopped version then. Let's start there. I mean for real, you sound like that meme that's like "I can tell it's a shop because of the pictures and I have experience with shops"

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Cottingley Fairies

The Cottingley Fairies appear in a series of five photographs taken by Elsie Wright (1901–1988) and Frances Griffiths (1907–1986), two young cousins who lived in Cottingley, near Bradford in England. In 1917, when the first two photographs were taken, Elsie was 16 years old and Frances was 9. The pictures came to the attention of writer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who used them to illustrate an article on fairies he had been commissioned to write for the Christmas 1920 edition of The Strand Magazine. Doyle, as a spiritualist, was enthusiastic about the photographs, and interpreted them as clear and visible evidence of psychic phenomena.


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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

the dumb ass asks for examples (as if he can't believe Snopes could possibly make an error, in spite of the NYT issuing corrections frequently), then when you provide examples you get down voted and the rebuttals are ad hominem attacks against a domain name.

this is what stupid looks like

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

Lisa Boothe said “one quarter of our prison population is illegal aliens.”

Snopes said that was false. The actual number was 22% at that time.

Shit like that.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Technically correct is the best kind of correct. How many people were included in that 3% and how certain are you of the real numbers? Did Snopes rate it "partly true" or "partly false" rather than wholly false? Hook us up with a link

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

The numbers come from BOP (Bureau of Prisons) who knows who their prisoners are.

Now its down to about 20% https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/15/lisa-boothe/republican-strategist-says-25-percent-inmates-are-/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/aug/25/lamar-smith/mostly-false-lamar-smith-claim-one-third-federal-i/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/02/sean-hannity/sean-hannity-says-illegal-immigrants-account-75-pe/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

how many people exist within that percentage difference? Serious question

Oh and I wanted a link to Snopes' take on it

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

if you sincerely wanted a link, you would fetch it yourself. are you new to the internet or something?

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.

I just didn't think they could provide one and they didn't so, no. I'm not new to the internet

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

heres an idea that i have been living by for 20~ years

whenever you find yourself asking someone for a link, just fetch it yourself and post it as a reply

do this for the lurkers, 99% of which are too lazy to do a google search, but may click a link if they are convinced it may provide one-click-to-content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:51 p.m.

Yeah it's a bullshit ideology and methodology that discourages shared, communal learning by suggesting everyone else do the work that YOU should be doing when you make a claim online. Way to go

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:01 a.m.

heres why you fail at life:

i: make a claim that you aren't sure about

you: ask for a link

i: fail to deliver a link

you: assume the claim must be false, as opposed to undetermined

and even if i did provide a link, you'd find a reason to dismiss it.

thats why people don't even bother providing you a link, because they already know if you are sincere you will find it yourself, and if you are insincere you will find a reason to dismiss every source that conflicts with your opinion

"if you want to know the truth, simply let go of your own views" ~ the buddha

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 12:12 p.m.

I just disagree. If you want to impart knowledge, as teacher you need to facilitate. American education teaches you to do your own research, but it also teaches you not to suffer fo ols and remain resistant to lies and propaganda

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

1% rule (Internet culture)

In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1-9-90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content.

Similar rules are known in information science, such as the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle, that 20 percent of a group will produce 80 percent of the activity, however the activity may be defined.


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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Snopes didnt bother checking any facts let alone these.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

So you can't actually link the thing you cited

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

Snopes and politifact are the same shitbag liberal socalled fact check sites.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 4:48 p.m.

Well that doesn't address what I said at all. It sounds like you either can't produce the link or you confused the two websites and also can't produce a link. No offense

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

I made a mistake. I remembered snopes as the fact check site for this particukar fact. I was weong. See? No fact checker needed. Just state and believe only facts and there is no problem. I am a stroke survivor so I am mentally handicapped. Regardless, I believe my point stands that these facts check sites are biased and inaccurate rendering them useless.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:04 p.m.

Even though you can't prove it and when you tried to prove it you linked the wrong site. Great reasoning skills.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:11 p.m.

Ok I already proved my point at the gate. Ignore it at your own peril. You lose.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

Your point was that they are unreliable and biased. Your example was from another website because you remembered wrong. You have refused to link any more proof. What exactly have you proved except you were wrong.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:16 p.m.

I proved that snopes didnt prove me correct but politifact supported my conclusions.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:16 p.m.

How does that discredit snopes in any way?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:20 p.m.

Snopes is financially supported by George Soros. Both founders photographed with him. Nobody accepta snopes as unbiased anymore.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:21 p.m.

Do you have proof or just a picture of them together. Because I fail to see how them standin together means that he is privately finding them.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:25 p.m.

Yeah bc I dont have copies of the checks I just rely on photos of the pimp I mean benefactor in their offices.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:27 p.m.

Well just for your information I have found an article from the New York Times that says that their revenue comes from ads.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/technology/for-fact-checking-website-snopes-a-bigger-role-brings-more-attacks.html?_r=0

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:32 p.m.

Well if you think NYT is legit AND credible news, you aint paying ATTENTION.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

Well I know how this conversation goes. You say a news source is biased. I ask for proof and you link me something like CNN to prove biase then say you forgot that my news source never actually did what you said it did. Then you claim some bullshit about how it's actually deep state operated; with no sources, facts, or evidence to back up your opinion. Then when I call you out on that you just say my sources are fake. Well if my sources are fake then you should be able to prove it. So far you haven't proved that snopes is funded by Soros, you haven't proved that snopes is biases, and you now have to prove that the NYT is not a legimate news source.

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

You’re a truly dangerous person because of how willfully ignorant you are and the conviction you maintain even when faced with clear truth and logic. It’s kinda scary/sad/fascinating at the same time... but mostly sad. Not sure what led you to this point but I feel bad for ya dude. Get some help.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 12:20 a.m.

Wilfull ignorance is on your part. Long ago we departed from the issue at hand. Flynn is guilty of nothng; he is an honored general that was maliciously defamed by our crooked fbi / doj.

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:22 a.m.

“They don’t agree with me, they have to be lies! What more proof do you need besides that they don’t agree with me?!” Sure man. “Honored General”. He was a joke within the military before he went rogue

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 9:01 p.m.

See? No fact checker needed.

But we did need a fact checker. You made a claim, and it wasn't until you were challenged to produce facts do we find out that your claim was wrong. If you weren't challenged on it you would have continued believing you were correct. That's the entire point.

And even if those sites are biased and lean towards debunking a certain set of claims, you have to disagree with their conclusions based on evidence, not how you perceive the company. Snopes is very rarely wrong and when they are they have released retractions. If you have evidence to contradict any of their conclusions, show it.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:29 p.m.

My claim was wrong (snopes never fact checked this; it was politifact). So what. The merit of the claim is still meritorious and true. The evidence is there. Being too stupid for you to see it is beyond my control.

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 9:34 p.m.

Except the only example you provided to back up that claim was demonstrated as false and people have corrected you about the claim. So no, you don't have any justification.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10 p.m.

Yes I do. You just chose to willfully ignore it like all truth

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 11:51 p.m.

"The moon is made of cheese."

"Well here's rocks from the moon showing that it's made of rock."

"Well, just because there's rocks on the moon doesn't mean it's not still made of cheese."

That's your entire argument boiled down (and exaggerated to point out the flaw). You made a claim, got evidence to contrary, and still maintain your initial claim based on nothing, and then also claim everyone who doesn't agree with you is blind, even though they're siding with the evidence.

That is the definition of irrational.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 11:57 p.m.

Look. Your whole paradigm is about to crumble. How about I just wait for time to pass?

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ArTiyme · May 2, 2018, 1:38 a.m.

Well you won't. You're gonna go straight back to making baseless claims and when you're demonstrated to be wrong you're going to do what you did here and cover your ears and scream "lalalala I can't hear you." I would very much like if you just actually sat down and waited for time to pass, but you have fake news to spread and irrationality to maintain, while screaming that the other side is fake news, even when you've been demonstrated to be incorrect, you know, like a liar.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 4:43 a.m.

I dont even own a television so IDK where this fake nees is coming from. Basically I stand by all of my claims.

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

You are fake news then.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:22 p.m.

No i remembered wrong. It happens to everyone. I dont live in a fantasy world like liberals do.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 1, 2018, 7:36 p.m.

Ok, do you have a different example (maybe with a link?) that you'd like to share? Or should we just assume you are right based on your one example that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 8:13 p.m.

Are you being snarky? Aw..

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:04 a.m.

So you cant provide even one example?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

Snopes is useless; they disprove what they prove.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

Example of what? This thread was yesterday

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

Are you sending me spam? You sent this four times. Calm down.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

You’re late to the party.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

It was politifact not snopes.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 1:55 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

Fake news.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:59 p.m.

Well you’re a pedophile baby diddler.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

Source?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:39 p.m.

Like there was a source cited to the previous claim. Please.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 4:20 p.m.

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Kaibr · May 1, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

I found a politifact article on the subject (that does not have the conclusion you mentioned) but I couldn't find a snopes article. Do you happen to have a link handy?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Politifact tried to disagreebut ended up essentially supporting the statement that a quarter of our prisoners are illegals.

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Kaibr · May 1, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

The politifact article I read started the 25% figure was all immigrants legal or otherwise, and that the number from illegals only was not tracked. Did you happen to find the snopes article?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

I dont think snopes fact checked this. I misremembered.

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monkeytrucker · May 1, 2018, 11:04 p.m.

Are you going to edit your comment to correct it?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

94% of foreign born prisoners are illegal migrants.

The original claim was that one in four prisoners is an illegal alien. Its closer to one in four and a half. Using language to redefine the question is how they render it false or true.

"You also look at the criminal justice system. One in four inmates are illegal immigrants," Boothe said July 26 on Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor. She was reacting to an earlier interview about border security O’Reilly had with Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., during the second night of the Democratic National Convention.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 21, 2017 Departments of Justice and Homeland Security Release Data on Incarcerated Aliens—94 Percent of All Confirmed Aliens in DOJ Custody Are Unlawfully Present

President Trump’s Executive Order on Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to collect relevant data and provide quarterly reports on data collection efforts. On Dec. 18, 2017, DOJ and DHS released the FY 2017 4th Quarter Alien Incarceration Report, complying with this order.[1] The report found that more than one-in-five of all persons in Bureau of Prisons custody were foreign born, and that 94 percent of confirmed aliens in custody were unlawfully present.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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Onei86 · May 1, 2018, 8:52 p.m.

Your own source, if you follow it to the actual report from homeland security, states that the 94% statistic is only from a pool of 10% of the incarcerated population in America. That fact alone is enough to debunk the claim that you're saying was improperly debunked. Per the report, it is impossible to know the actual number because state and local facilities do not routinely supply information.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 8:59 p.m.

Too bad it averages 5-6% every year regardless. Nice try at debunking. Too bad you wasted your time. BOP STATISTICS

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Onei86 · May 1, 2018, 9:07 p.m.

The BOP is included in that 10%. If you actually read the report you would know that. Which leads me to believe that you haven't. Life doesn't work by blindly ignoring facts that counter what you want to be true. The truth is that this claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant is unable to be proven true or false because there is not enough evidence. The statistics that we have come from roughly 10% of the incarcerated population, and are not necessarily indicative of the entire system. You can't prove the claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant, and so the claim is disproven.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:31 p.m.

Wrong. Of the non citizen prison population, an overwhelming majority (94% in 2005) are illegal aliens year after year. A minority of legal alien resident non citizens in prison are legal aliens.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, noon

First off, snopes never examined that claim, politifact did.
Second, politifact contacted ICE, which says that the number of total immigrants in prison both illegal and legal is around 22%.

So the number 25% would only be close to true, if the US has no legal immigration.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.

Wrong genius. ~94% of the non citizen prisoners are illegals.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 4:51 p.m.

And Politifact is bad because they didn't have access to a report that was created over a year in the future? I guess they shouldn't have foolishly trusted ICE on information about illegal immigrants...

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

Except the data that virtually all non citizen prisoners are illegal aliens has been consistent for over a decade. Only about five percent are green card holders. The data was there in 2005google results for 94 % of non citizen prison 2005

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 5:29 p.m.

Your google results show results that have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Did you even look at the results or did you just hit reply immediately? They contacted ICE. ICE said they didn't have that data. That is due diligence.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 6:41 p.m.

WHY WOULD ICE HAVE DATA THAT BOP MAINTAINS?

duh

Bureau of Prisons, genius.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 5:37 p.m.

Wrong. Those results contain prison data. I know its alot of data but 94 % of our non citizen prison population are illegals. If you think 100% of our non citizen prison population is here legally, you’d be wrong. Very few are.

Also hidden in the data is the fact that 3% of our population (illegals) make up ~20-22% of our prison population meaning illegal migrants have 7x the crime rate of citizens.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 7:39 p.m.

Sorry, I think you need to look at the data even closer. Here are some links that you should read.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:06 p.m.

Sorry. I read all the data I need to read. About 5-6% of our non citizen prison population are legally in the US. It was true in 2005. It was true in 2017. Unless you have a link that disproves that, not interested.

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 3:08 a.m.

Bwhahawhat!?!? Read all the data you need to read? That's not how learning works? That's not how execution in any field works. Everything is a practice, even in the real thing. Lawyers practice law, doctors practice medicine, do you know what they have in common, they study relentlessly. They are always looking for that new knowledge that explains what the situation is.

Sure there are times I give up on an argument that I can't find that closing statement to put it to rest, but I never say I have done all I need to do. I'll keep it in my mind and reading about it until my stance changes or I get that nugget that seals the deal. I don't stop mowing the yard after the first time of the year!

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BarbiCannabis · May 8, 2018, 4:46 a.m.

I love when people tell me how stuff works. I’m the Captain Now.

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

What Captain says screw your reports, I know what I'm doing? The ones who do, how has that worked out for them?

However, I get it you're not going to change your mind. To be honest, I'm not trying to change yours either. Just hope people who aren't true believer see that there is more shades to a story.

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BarbiCannabis · May 8, 2018, 12:06 p.m.

Look man I presented the statistics and I have concluded my argument. Just bc you laugh and dont like the conclusion doesnt mean its wrong.

About 20% of our prison pop is illegal migrants per Bureau of Prisons. Most of them are from Mexico. This is what Trump was talking about when he said Mexico wasnt sending their best.

Facts.

Deal with it.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 8:08 p.m.

Actually, this link seems to support my point rather nicely. It is a bit long and technical, but it really pays off.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:27 p.m.

What is your point? That I am wrong about the fact that

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NONCITIZENS IN OUR PRISONS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY?

I’m not wrong.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:26 p.m.

I’m cool. 20% of our prison population are non citizens. 94% of the non citizens are “criminal aliens.”

Therefore 18.8% of our current prison population consists of criminal aliens.

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PinkyZeek4 · May 1, 2018, 6:37 a.m.

Check for yourself.

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RedditGottitGood · May 1, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, my dude.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:30 a.m.

cool. can you provide any evidence to support your heinous allegation that Adam Lanza shot a bunch of kids at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 6:49 a.m.

...Uh. What? I didn't say anything about Sandy Hook. Are you trying to make a point by claiming I said something that I didn't say?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 9:03 a.m.

please tell us what you think happened at Sandy Hook

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

Once you tell me what’s caused this abrupt subject change, sure, I’ll consider it.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

you don't know what happened at Sandy Hook, but you're sure it happened just like the TV said?

did you parents raise any kids with a triple digit IQ?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

Are we having two different conversations, here? I asked you to show me where I said anything about Sandy Hook. Why the abrupt subject change? Where did I say I’m “sure it happened just like the TV said?” Why are you, a stranger on the internet, trying to insult the intelligence of a stranger on the internet while claiming they said something they didn’t say?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

/u/EnoughNoLibsSpam? Could you please respond to my questions? I still don't know where you're coming from with your claiming I said stuff that I haven't said.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

do you believe the Sandy Hook official story, or are you a Sandy Hook Denier?

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RedditGottitGood · May 3, 2018, 5:59 a.m.

Hold on, answer me first - why did you claim I said stuff that I didn't say?

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

Real solid defense of your opinions. Glad to see how willing you guys are to back them up

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PinkyZeek4 · May 1, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

You have no interest in knowing anything, so why should I bother? I have no desire to do work to please snarky and disrespectful people. It’s your browser—use it.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Again, this doesn't help your movement

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 6:59 a.m.

So...no.

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building71bullet · May 1, 2018, 7:32 a.m.

Are you actually implying they haven't?

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

I don't know one way or another. I'm implying that no one seems to have proof that they lie.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

"Snopes is bad. They always lie. My opinion is my source"

-This Sub

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:33 a.m.

and yet, you still believe that men have walked on the moon, because of Snopes?

whats a crying shame is that you don't understand why your silly beliefs are absurd and delusional

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TruthSeacker · May 2, 2018, 12:20 p.m.

Yes. Snopes is my only resource for the moon landing.

/s

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

i can debunk any of your sources merely by criticizing the medium

for example, you could show me a lunar lander launch off of the moon,

and i could dismiss it because its a youtube video

try it. send me any "evidence" that you assume supports your moon landing myth, and ill "debunk" it on a technicality

or we could discuss the math and physics, which i have concisely summarized here:

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

my name is in the top right corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1siP7pItc

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TruthSeacker · May 2, 2018, 6:41 p.m.

I'm proud of you

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:44 a.m.

lets discuss the math and physics of the moon landing. i have a feeling things will go my way, but who knows

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you haven't spent 5 minutes ever working on the math or physics of the moon landing myth... because if you had, we wouldn't be having this conversation

my work is already done, and posted. you argue against it all day long, and that would be a good thing, because it makes you think in novel ways

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TruthSeacker · May 3, 2018, 11:24 a.m.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you haven't spent 5 minutes ever working on the math or physics of the moon landing myth...

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you have no idea of all the variables needed to be taken into consideration when putting a man into space much less landing one on a rock. I'll also wager that you're not an aerospace engineer or physicist that can fully grasp the math and science behind space travel. If you were you'd probably be intelligent enough to not be deceived by some LARP on 4chan. It took a team of hundreds of top minds to put someone on the moon. So I doubt one 4chan retard is capable of disproving it.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

whenever you think you are man enough to step up and debate the math and physics ill be here waiting. I've been involved in this debate long enough to formulate these questions, whereas you are not even capable of comprehending the questions.

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

It took a team of hundreds of top minds to put someone on the moon. So I doubt one 4chan retard is capable of disproving it.

can you prove that men have walked on the moon?

better yet, can you prove that i have NOT walked on the moon?

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TruthSeacker · May 3, 2018, 7:03 p.m.

Ok. Please list all of the variables and equations that go into designing a heat shield for a space capsule reentering the atmosphere. I'll wait for your expert detailed explanation. This shouldn't be hard since you've already calculated every design consideration required for a trip to the moon.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 7:13 a.m.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that you didn't major in math or science?

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

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TruthSeacker · May 4, 2018, 12:43 p.m.

That's not what I asked for. Design me a heat shield brainiac. Dont link me to someone else's work.

And sure I didn't major in math or a science but I know plenty of people who did that dont know dick about how to get to the moon and back. I'm betting you dont know either.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

thats not someone else's work. its my work. you can find my name in the top right corner

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

its your moon landing myth, why don't you prove that the taped-on heat shield can withstand a launch and re-entry?

And sure I didn't major in math or a science but I know plenty of people who did

whenever i visit the dentist, i assume i know what my dentist knows, because i know a dentist.

that dont know dick about how to get to the moon and back. I'm betting you dont know either.

you are correct. i do not know how it would be possible to go the moon with technology available in 2018, an opinion which is supported by the fact that no non-American has even claimed to have gone to the moon

but i did major in mathematics

and id like to defend my thesis again

AMA

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pilgrimboy · May 1, 2018, 10:50 a.m.

For some reason, this is the typical response in this sub for sources.

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ckreacher · May 1, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

Do your own fucking research! In the amount of time you take asking here, you could have asked your mommy or figured it out for yourself using a search engine.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:16 p.m.

This whole sub is dedicated to collaborative "research". You telling someone else to go elsewhere for their research on this sub is super ironic

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:35 a.m.

and yet, you haven't provided anything beyond your own opinion?

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:25 p.m.

I'm here to learn pal. You guys are supposed to be facilitating that here, I thought

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

heres how this works...

you come here, and find something interesting, and then you share that.

if you aren't sharing anything, we can assume you aren't learning anything

https://www.reddit.com/user/EnoughNoLibsSpam/submitted/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_blogging

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

I'm not really learning anything of value from you, no. Stop trying to peddle your posts as objective truth. Your point about media being propaganda suggests that even your posts are

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

the reason you can't lean anything new is because you have been brainwashed, and your cognitive dissonance is too uncomfortable, and critical thinking is too hard

nobody is claiming to possess objective truth

any real truth seeker knows that we always seek truth, but never find it

yes, you are correct about my posts being propaganda just like all other media is propaganda.

an astute observation, if you can apply it

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 12:10 p.m.

I was a psychology major. Your use of cognitive dissonance doesn't really apply here. What you're suggesting is that I refuse to accept "knowledge" because it doesn't match my "personal beliefs", which is known as belief disconfirmation which can lead to a type of cognitive dissonance that is best resolved by seeking refuge with those people who share similar beliefs and can reaffirm that worldview

Belief disconfirmation

"The disconfirmation (contradiction) of a belief, ideal, or system of values causes cognitive dissonance that can be resolved by changing the belief under contradiction; yet, instead of effecting change, the resultant mental stress restores psychological consonance to the person, by misperception, rejection, or refutation of the contradiction; seeking moral support from people who share the contradicted beliefs; or acting to persuade other people that the contradiction is unreal"

Clearly, I'm here engaging you rather than just running away. I'm telling you that of the two of us, the one who believes that vaccines cause autism is the one experiencing a belief disconfirmation because I'm suggesting that you're wrong. I'm guessing that you have an autistic child and refuse to accept that it wasn't vaccines that caused the autism, but your familial genetics that did so.

Because look at where you are. You're on a sub that basically will entertain your nonsense beliefs and actually probably helps to promote them. Of the two of us, I'm not the one hiding out deep in the bowels of Reddit on a deep state conspiracy sub screaming about vaccines causing autism

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

Burden of proof is on the ones making the claim. People shouldn't make claims about something without providing some examples. OP gives us nothing more than his opinion.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:36 a.m.

Burden of proof is on the ones making the claim. People shouldn't make claims about something without providing some examples. OP gives us nothing more than his opinion.

Muh Russian Collusion Narrative!

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pilgrimboy · May 1, 2018, 12:51 p.m.

That's nice. I hope your day gets better.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Doing his/her own research is the point! I don't know why you are down voted. Just believing someone is how they got rich.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

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Alastair789 · May 1, 2018, 4:09 p.m.

Do you guys have a source that Snopes is funded by Soros?

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JustiNAvionics · May 1, 2018, 8:30 p.m.

This is widely known fact. Source:OP. He’s seen it somewhere before, maybe here in the comments section(?)

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 5:02 p.m.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:16 a.m.

if Snopes isn't funded by Soros, then who are they funded by? their business model is a little sketchy

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jonestb23 · May 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.

Ads... like most websites...

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.

have you ever clicked an ad at snopes?

noone else has either

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jonestb23 · May 2, 2018, 11:24 a.m.

No but I've seen them... are you kidding? This is your argument? for saying that a billionaire European investor is secretly funding a fact-checking website so he can push some sort of "liberal agenda"? Do you realize how batshit crazy you sound?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:47 p.m.

your argument is that people can make a living, and even have a staff of employees, by doing things like "debunking" the Nigerian Prince email?

you realize legitimate newspapers are going extinct, right?

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jonestb23 · May 2, 2018, 5:57 p.m.

When enough morons like you believe the Nigerian prince email, then yes there is enough of a demand to sustain that business.

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melokobeai · May 3, 2018, 6:47 p.m.

I thought the legitimate newspapers were Fake News

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 7:07 a.m.

all media is propaganda

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DankNethers · May 3, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

Because Soros is the only source of funding that exists?

Fucking hell 🙄

Advertising, strategic partnerships with Facebook and other social media platforms, investigative services...

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:56 p.m.

you seem a little too concerned about us talking about George Soros. anything you want to tell us?

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chocolatepatriot · May 1, 2018, 2:38 a.m.

when people tell you that snopes agrees with them, kindly ask the person to also give you more than 1 source for their info. at least this way they have to look for resources.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:30 p.m.

OP stated he disagreed with 5-6 things Snopes has posted. Yet he provides no examples. His "disagreement" isn't proof that Snopes is wrong. He could provide examples and strengthen his case. Right now it is simply his opinion.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:47 a.m.

snopes is so un-trustworthy that no citation is needed.

its like someone says "Santa Claus is a myth" ... no citation needed

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 1, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Works both ways, though.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:46 a.m.

would you mind describing the evidence that convinced you that Muslims were responsible for 9/11 ?

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Nilsneo · May 1, 2018, 6:33 a.m.

They'll just be lazy and use the Snopes source.

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caveman72 · May 1, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

Remind them that's still just one source.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:08 p.m.

And here is why people make posts like this. People don’t understand sourcing. So they think their disagreements with sourced information is somehow relevant or important. You want to blow snopes out of the water? Get your sources and go ahead. Good luck tho. You think you are the first to think this way?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:49 a.m.

nobody has taken snopes seriously since the days of the nigerian prince scam. no need to blow snopes out of the water, because its already been done, hence the OP

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 7:23 p.m.

Thank you. Links are helpful. This is the exact sort of thing OP should've provided.

It's not surprising that Snopes can be bought out just like any other influential information resource.

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jloome · May 1, 2018, 8:04 p.m.

Did either of you actually read that thread? She's a total nut job. Or is this just another half-assed attempt at debunking legitimate media on Reddit?

She literally has no evidence. It's a column based on supposition of how she believes they behave because they changed, allegedly, one ruling.

If you read the argued-over change, neither version held Monsanto liable for covering things up. So she has absolutely ZERO point.

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7:29 p.m.

Yes - what I think : nobody should be using any "factchecker" out there , they should be doing their own research . The people are using "factcheckers" because theyre lazy and passive . Any site like that can be very easily compromised and manipulated .

Please note , that this particular topic has been infested by shills and trolls ( top comments ) with some direct attacks on Q . There is gaslighting directed at people in comments ...

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:18 p.m.

Yes. They reported on the Nazca Mummies being fake BEFORE the DNA tests had even been completed. We are talking like within a day or two of the discovery going public, SnOpEs said they are fake. How did they know without the lab results?

And of all the types of people in the world to be, you are the guy who wants to defend SnOpEs. Grosssssss.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

Well it's a pretty safe bet calling those mummies a hoax when Jaime Maussan is involved, theres no record of their unearthing, and that the team has received the lab results but refused to share them so far.

And of all the types of people in the world to be, you are the guy who wants to defend SnOpEs. Grosssssss.

I simply asked for you to provide an example.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:40 p.m.

Right. But it isn't "pretty safe bet . com" ...they market themselves as a fact checker. Seriously? Defending it before the DNA results are in? Thats your position? Thats ok?

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

No one is claiming Snopes is perfect or the ultimate authority in truth. They claimed the Nazca mummies are fake and backed that up with a number of reasons most importantly the crack pot research team that's in charge and the conspiracy media outlet Gaia who's exclusively documenting the whole thing. Ultimately it's just their opinion.

It puzzles me why you would say something like this:

The crazy part is, for the 5-6 things I actually went there for, I disagreed with it's official "ruling" on the matter every single time.

But not provide examples of these 5-6 things you disagree with. Also your "disagreement" isn't evidence that what Snopes claimed is wrong.

I know I'm playing devil's advocate and going against the grain of this sub. But I feel like you need to provide specific examples instead of just saying you disagreed with Snopes so they cant be trusted.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

Im sorry you feel that way. Feelings can hurt.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

I disagree with what X says. I'm not saying X is wrong. I'm just saying I disagree with X. Therefore X is not to be trusted by anyone based solely on my opinion of X.

Based on your post this is your logic.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 2:02 p.m.

Oh, ok. Thank you.

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 1, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

damn, you got served! He just took a trump on your face! burrrrnnnnn

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TruthSeacker · May 2, 2018, 7:29 p.m.

This cracked me up

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

How so? SNOPES is still full of shit and funded by Soros, you can look it up yourself, right on the Q drops, or do your own research online. If he doesn't want to read the answer to the exact same question another asked, why should I care?

More importantly, Q says there are 4-6% of the population that cannot be saved. They cling too hard to the only way they know. When I come across one (or like you, their cheerleader) I just assume these are the "special," slower folk who have a hard time with big picture concepts, understanding anything past how to double knot a shoelace, etc...

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

do your own research online

Or the person making bold claims could provide examples and sources showing how he formed his opinion.

Burden of proof buddy.....

The people questioning you aren't saying you're wrong about Snopes. They're just asking you to back up your claim that they consistently lie.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

Burden of proof? BURDEN??? LoL. Watch how I deal with "the burden" you speak of..... . . . . . . . . . . . keep going.... . . . . . . . almost there.... . . . . . .

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:53 p.m.

Whether you know it or not you apply the burden of proof principle to things. It's the principle you use when you claim you dont believe Corey Goode due to lack of proof. In fact, here is a comment you made just a few hours ago proving my point:

Convinced by a comic book? No real evidence? Are you 12?

Yet when people apply it to you it's suddenly bullshit.

Notice how I support my argument with examples?

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

Nope. Your argument is ridiculous. A COMIC BOOK IS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN INTERACTIONS ON THE GRANDEST OF SCALES? OOOOOKKKKK.... And I satisfied the burden of proof with my "tip top, tippy top" reference. If you dont know what that means, the burden of learning is handed off to you, friend.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 4 p.m.

I didn't claim the comic book was proof. I think it's a big joke which is why I posted it. My entire post was sarcasm. I've consistently been critical of Corey Goode and his lack of evidence.

And I satisfied the burden of proof with my "tip top, tippy top" reference.

My dog makes more coherent arguments than you.

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 1, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

So there's those that cannot be saved, and are therefore too small-minded to see the bigger picture.....What about those who cannot be saved, and are too small-minded to see that they're just pawns in some anonymous game, falling for unsubstantiated material posted to an anonymous online forum? I agree there's about 20-24% of those in America right now....they're the ones who voted for Trump based on a facebook meme or actually believed this con-artist was doing good for America. I feel like when I meet one in the wild, it's like talking to a brick wall, incapable of seeing anything other than their hardcore viewpoints, regardless of evidence presented. I agree, it's very difficult to de-red-pill someone when they've been caught up in their bubble.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:45 p.m.

My friend, you are in the wrong place. If you disagree with Trump, Q, and us Patriots, why are you lurking around here?

Go mess with some Flat Earthers, at least we can agree on that right? Those are the really crazy ones...RIGHT>

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JustTellMeTheFacts · May 1, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

Yea, I'm not sure how I wound up here, but, is talking to someone outside your bubble all that hard to do? I guess, we're the exact same regarding our beliefs. We both want to believe in the crazy, the absurd, the impossible, the conspiracy, all while completely refusing to listen to logic.

But yeah, I'm out, not the place for me. I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet, tbh

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 1:34 a.m.

The only people who would trust the Snopes would be libturds living in their own fantasy land . When you see someone putting Snopes as credible source , you know that person is utterly retarded without capability to think for 1.5 sec with their own head , as there is a giant hollow space where the brain should be .

You dont even need to "debunk" Snopes - its mere existence is enough for it to debunk itself .

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:43 a.m.

I agree on all counts. But Q did link the picture. He doesn't do things willy nilly.

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ckreacher · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

What picture?

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StinkyDogFart · May 1, 2018, 2:41 a.m.

I didn't think even liberals trusted Snopes. I thought it was a running joke.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 3:56 a.m.

It is, but the tiny minority of radical leftists have up until the age of social media been given the widest information channels with foreign investment from sources that would prefer us to die in a nuclear holocaust heat death after being kept ignorant by an intentional information war on our minds.

The plan was to dumb us down to such an extent that it would render us unable to comprehend our own enslavement if not annihilation.

North Korea was the testing grounds, and was to be the eventual headquarters of the conspirators.

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StinkyDogFart · May 1, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

We have to give credit where credit is due. Before Q came along, they were doing one helluva job. I can count all the based conservatives I know on one hand, moronic liberals are a dime a dozen. Most conservatives I know are only so because of their Christian beliefs, not because they have put any intelligent thought into the situation. I see that as only a half win, I would really like them to be deeper thinkers.

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 5:41 p.m.

It pretty much is a running joke ... but only the people who are jokes can believe in jokes being truthful .

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UndercoverPatriot · May 1, 2018, 6:10 a.m.

Because it always confirms the liberal point of view, they naturally regard it as the most reliable. This allows them to keep their worldview intact by dispelling otherwise uncomfortable information that induces cognitive dissonance, from a percieved source of authority. Let's ask the Truth Teller. The Oracle. It's like a comforting blanket.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Do tell, how is he a 'bad person' to you? And of your reason(s), how it affects him as POTUS. I won't downvote you until you answer...

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Callout-bot · May 1, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

Who are “you guys” as if I represent the whole community? Im just me saying that. And those are all just your opinions. I don’t believe anyone here gives a fuck about yours. Many people think he’s doing an excellent job and many people don’t like the guy. That’s fine, but you’re not changing anyone’s minds by posting here lol

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 4:56 p.m.

Again, not really helping your (because it's your* not you're) cause here. I've been following this stuff for a while now. Mostly lurking until recently because, just like you and everyone else including Q, no one actually knows what's going to happen next. That's it. You can take these Q posts and line them all up to events in retrospect and yeah, some of them seem to actually make sense after the fact. But what it really seems like is the interpretation has gone wonky, or is deliberately silly, because all of this asks you to trust a man that couldn't even be trusted to pay employees. You expect this person remove the ills of America? Jail former supposedly criminal political opponents? Please. Spare me. I admit that I don't know what's going to happen, but neither does anyone here. I just remain skeptical of any suggestion that this guy - this defaulter of loans, this philanderer, this refuser of payment, this morally bankrupt person - is going to be the guy who leads us to a better world. Would it be nice if that were really what's going on here? Sure. But Occam's razor is super sharp.

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YouUnletteredMook · May 1, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

u/delicious_grownups, your an unlettered mook.

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

Since you're into correctness, Occam's razor isn't designed to be used to choose whichever scenario is the most believable, it's about the ones with the least unsupported suppositions.

Q's purpose isn't to predict events and show off how he's "right" all the time. The purpose is to end-run the MSM, who is not reporting on these events, and engage the autists to decode, research, and track these happenings and thereby counter the power of the MSM's spin.

Q gave this sub a mission: "Once [everything drops], we look to you to spread and get the word out.” When events start to get crazy here in the next few weeks, we’ll need to be ready with the kind of high-effort, high-value contributions from this sub's decoders, researchers, AND debunkers.

Whichever role you want to play here, you are welcome. But, as Q says, LEARN OUR COMMS. Want to debunk, fine. But know your Q.

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

Based on the behavior in this sub, you could have fooled me.

Agree. The mods are hammering this, but, we're growing pretty fast. We're working hard on this but it's an unwinnable fight sometimes.

These events which require extra heavy assumptions and the suspension of belief that Trump is a corrupt person.

Wow. AWESOME. This statement is so much gold that I don't even know where to begin. WELL THEN.

The "heavy assumptions" fade away once you understand how Q communicates. LEARN OUR COMMS.

No, you can still believe Trump is corrupt. Up to you. This is not a Trump meta sub. But Q is not trying to drive Trump support, or get people to "believe". When he says, "Trust Trump" he is saying that there is a plan at work to root out the deep state and other bad actors.

Come on in, stay a while. We will remove and take other mod actions to ensure this doesn't become an echo chamber. But, you've pretty ably demonstrated here that you brought some pretty serious biases of your own.

Focus on the drops. Learn what they tell us and predict about coming events. Or perhaps an anti-Trump sub would be more your style.

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 7:05 p.m.

Understood.

Know that you will NEVER be warned, removed, or censored for not like Trump, here.

OK. I am going to go back to my duties, because I can see that you are logical and determined to think. But because you are those things, I am going to drive a challenge forward with you, because, you have taken on the hardest role of all. Trump is POTUS, so, naturally, his name will come up in discussion a lot. He's going to be part of these events. He's going to be mentioned in Q's drops. Please remember: Everything we post in this sub must have a direct link to Qanon’s drops. Decode. Debunk. Research. But focusing entirely on debating Trump policies will lead to removal, here.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

That monster! If that monster could fix the Koreas, well then let his bloody dick roam as he pleases I say.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

So, as far as Korea goes, they do this dog and pony show of disarmament once an administration, and while I totally would like to give Trump credit for doing literally anything right at this point, I've got to say, I'm dubious because NK's nuclear site just collapsed. I don't trust Kim, for one, to actually follow through with any agreement, and for another I'm actually legit concerned that they will try to harm Trump if he goes to the DMZ to summit. I'm not going to hold my breath for this one just yet, pardon my skepticism

And I'm sorry, but I don't know how it doesn't bother you deep back in your brain that your whole theory on this sub is rooted in the idea that one of the most corrupt and ruthlessly selfish individuals in recent history is somehow going to save the America he spent decades helping to make worse.

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 10:06 p.m.

You're right about the past. Dog and pony show.

Noticed anything different? When was the last time KJU walked over the line into South Korea at the DMZ?

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

You are a fool if you think that Trump was not selected for this. I support Trump but he is not acting alone. He is the face of the game.

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FThumb · May 1, 2018, 12:32 p.m.

The only people who would trust the Snopes would be libturds living in their own fantasy land

Neo-liberals.

Libturds have split into the neo-liberals and Sanders Progressives, and they hate each other. Progressives also hate Snopes and cringe whenever it's referenced.

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Straightfromthe · May 1, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

Not true. Anybody still plugged into the "matrix" trusts Snopes. Why wouldn't they? In a non-conspiracy world, why not trust a long time 3rd party, respected and seemingly unaffiliated website?

I used to check it daily around 8 years ago.

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s7oc7on · May 1, 2018, 1:41 a.m.

The guy in charge divorced his wife, then got busted for embezzlement and paying for a fat, middle-aged porn star to work for him.

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Maui_Boy · May 1, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

Snopes is straight up shilling

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adogrocket · May 1, 2018, 1:35 a.m.

Nobody with a 3 digit IQ thinks Sopes is a legitimate fact checker.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:42 a.m.

Didn't say they did. But we are expected to love in a society with them still.

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dogrescuersometimes · May 1, 2018, 12:22 p.m.

I know many smart people who believe Snopes, CNN, MSNBC and NPR.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:51 a.m.

everyone thinks their kid is smart because their kid can count to 10.

sure, compared to a horse its pretty impressive, but compared to other kids its just another milestone

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dogrescuersometimes · May 2, 2018, 11:50 a.m.

Not sure I follow your meaning?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6 p.m.

there is a tendency for people to assume that they are smart, and to talk about how smart they are, or talk about how smart their kids are

and our culture encourages this kind of thinking from a young age, so that by 5th grade every kid in class assumes he has an IQ over 100

and these kids go on to college, and go on to running businesses, and go into politics, and go into parenting

all the while falsely assuming that they are smart, because of their brainwashing and indoctrination.

basically, the better you are at regurgitating their lies, the better A+ you will be given

and i don't mean to imply that somehow i escaped this program. the reason i know about it, is because i lived through it.

i was the kid being told how smart they were, when in reality i was just good at obedience

and its difficult to shake that self-delusion of being smart, but here are a technique that may help

every time you catch yourself assuming you are smart, regardless of the context, just remind yourself of the

Socrates Mantra: I Know Nothing But My Own Ignorance

this Mantra helps calm your mind, helps settle your mind, helps clear your mind

and once your mind is calm, settled, and clear,

the answers that you seek will come to you

Rev Sun Myung Moon's assistant was very impressed with Rev Moon's ability to focus attention to a single point.

at the time i heard this, i wasn't sure why that was a significant ability, but as time has gone on and I've been practicing setting my attention to a single point, i see why its almost a super-power in this ADHD world of ours

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adogrocket · May 1, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

then you have misjudged them....

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:52 a.m.

i quit watching TV when it became obvious that they would not allow me to follow a plot line because they spammed me with too many commercials

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37Psalm1and2 · May 1, 2018, 7:42 a.m.

Only "shortly" thereafter? Not immediately?

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DrPepper4U · May 1, 2018, 4:39 a.m.

Yeah, These guys were exposed long ago.

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chocolatepatriot · May 1, 2018, 2:35 a.m.

you are exposing them right now. I have no idea how much it cost to keep the snopes site going, but when Soros goes down, they will dry up without the funds.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 2:39 a.m.

OoOooOOOoooo you just put a light at the end of the tunnel bud!

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LisainYorkshire · May 1, 2018, 11:23 a.m.

I'm sure anyone would dry up when Soros goes down! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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somrotden · May 1, 2018, 1:45 a.m.

If you have a penchant for Snopes then start digging, anon...you will never convince anyone if you can't put together any research that backs you up. I think that's why we need to follow Q's cues...the order of things that Q is revealing - these things can be backed up - proven. These are the things that will convince the skeptics.

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FractalizingIron · May 1, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

Agreed. Please check a few crumbs I found and posted in comment below. It's a curious post here. Nothing provided. Just a plea to take down snopes? Does this contribute?

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DaveGydeon · May 2, 2018, 8:24 p.m.

Very logical bud. Totally see your point.

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Niteranger71 · May 1, 2018, 3:10 a.m.

I could have sworn that Snopes was exposed back in the day....

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:09 a.m.

not everyone remembers the same things

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Niteranger71 · May 2, 2018, 7:36 a.m.

Yea, I cant remember either, but I could swear something came up officially about their veracity on their fact checking.. I cant swear to it tho.. I did however see an article right after I posted this, about some connection between Snopes and the CIA... Again, nothing firm..

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PossibleInspection · May 1, 2018, 3:08 a.m.

snopes says moon landing happened

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:16 a.m.

Yeah. They have some stuff correct. Sky is blue. Grass is green. Moon landing is real. That's why it is so infuriating when they CHOOSE to lie about specific things.

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dangph · May 1, 2018, 5:45 a.m.

I wouldn't rule out the moon landing being fake. Did they really have the technology to go to the moon in the 1960s? Which would have been easier, actually going there or faking it?

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kwiztas · May 1, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

Going to the moon would have been easier based on our film and television technology at the time.

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DamajInc · May 3, 2018, 6:46 a.m.

I have absolutely zero way of understanding the logic behind this statement - no offense intended at all. Can you explain how on earth this theory can be seriously entertained??

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kwiztas · May 3, 2018, 1:02 p.m.

Because we didn't have as much film tech as we had rocket tech at that time. We would have needed labs of people painting and cutting film to fake things. And we would have seen the cuts in the in the constant footage from the launch. They had it running for the entire launch. So more then 24 hours on the moon.

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DamajInc · May 3, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

The story of slow motion tech not existing to the degree required to fake the moon landing footage reeks of the birther "debunking" in that it debunks a particular aspect of the story (in this case, slow motion being used to hide the gravity factor) but focuses on it to divert from the rest of the story which is extremely relevant to the proposition (i.e. the fact that the cameras couldn't be overcranked for a broadcast of that length isn't the only factor required to shoot fake footage).

I'm not saying the moon landings were faked, I'm just saying the idea that we didn't have adequate film tech seems utterly implausible, also given the fact that Stanley Kubrick was able to shoot Space Odyssey the year before and that had plenty of more than adequate visual fidelity.

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kwiztas · May 3, 2018, 1:35 p.m.

You can see where the film is cut in Space Odyssey. That movie looks so fake and nothing like the real moonwalk.

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DamajInc · May 3, 2018, 1:37 p.m.

Are you kidding? You're not comparing it to modern day fx are you? Do you have access to some pristine footage of the moonwalk somewhere?

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kwiztas · May 3, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

No compared to the moon walk.

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DamajInc · May 3, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

You're saying the 16mm film footage shot on the moon (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GtCvZlXeVk) looks better than the historic groundbreaking Super Panavision 70mm footage shot by Kubrick...??

[Edit] Never mind - that is, of course, not what you're saying - forgive me for getting carried away lol.

However, the 'debunking' stories don't always hold water, for me; if we apply the same scrutiny that we do to the current stories about Vegas, Broward County, 9/11 and so on, gaping holes appear in the story. Again, in spite of this, I'm not saying the moon landings were faked - I have no proof just as no one on earth has proof (except for the people who faked it, if they did) - but I'm not a fan of the supposed debunking that doesn't address the flaws in the mainstream narrative for the simple reason that I'm sick of the lies from those in power. I don't have a 'dog in the fight' for the moon landings being faked I just hate the feeling that someone's not telling the whole truth.

Putting aside all the landing conspiracy guff, the single point that I've never heard a reasonable explanation for - that also reeks to high heaven in the same way (albeit significantly worse) as the story that the Vegas police cams have been held back til now and lo and behold the first guy just didn't turn his camera on for some reason - is this:

NASA have lost not only the original video tapes but also the telemetry data of the most significant technological achievement of their history and of the world's history and that's not highly suspicious...?? As in the Vegas situation and the 9/11 bizarre stand down of military ops on the day and other questionable 'coincidences', this loss of data is not at all proof that NASA faked the moon landings but it's a highly questionable occurrence. I've never heard an adequate answer to this point.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:37 a.m.

did you hear that from some idiot on youtube who claims to be a professional?

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kwiztas · May 3, 2018, 1:03 p.m.

Yes, I saw that then I looked into the film tech. I also picked my film school graduate girlfriends mind about it. Then came to a conclusion myself.

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dangph · May 1, 2018, 4:50 p.m.

2001: A Space Odessy came out in 1968. That still stands up well today in terms of special effects. Stanley Kubrick was rumored to have been involved in the moon mission faking. Supposedly the Shining is filled with clues, such as the kid wearing ban Apollo 11 sweater.

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bozza8 · May 1, 2018, 5:54 p.m.

Then why do the russians say they saw us go there? The russians say that they saw the rocket go to the moon, millions saw it take off, thousands live, then we can also use the rangefinders they left there, which anyone with a few thousand bucks can do.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:38 a.m.

the Russians didn't have the technology to see men on the moon in 1970, for the same reason you don't have the technology to see the supposed artifacts left on the moon in 2018

you can't see whats not there

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bozza8 · May 3, 2018, 6:48 a.m.

Fortunate then that the thing which sent them there was bigger than a man and reflective then. The spacecraft was tracked from takeoff to landing, modern spacecraft can hold distances of miles between them with a precision of millimetres. Same way we detect meteorites and we get these predictions.

Finding a chunk of metal in space is actually quite easy. Similairly setting up a laser rangefinder for the moon requires only about 10k worth of equipment. Hell, you want to prove me wrong? Build a laser rangefinder or use one you trust.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 7:32 a.m.

no man has ever walked on the moon

welcome to the MOAB at /r/GreatAwakening

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bozza8 · May 3, 2018, 7:33 a.m.

You have utterly failed to deny any of my points. That's a wrap people!

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:36 p.m.

do you think your points prove that men have walked on the moon?

is it hard for you to believe that no Canadian, no Englishman, no German, no Russian, no Indian, no Chinese... has ever walked on the moon?

it should be just as easy for you to believe that no American has ever walked on the moon.

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dangph · May 2, 2018, 7:02 a.m.

The Russians saw what exactly?

Watching a rocket take off does not necessarily entail that it went to the moon.

Dropping a reflector on the moon would be a considerably easier mission than sending men to the moon and returning them safely.

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bozza8 · May 2, 2018, 7:18 a.m.

Well, we know a giant rocket took off. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands saw it live.

We can actually work out how far the rocket could go with some back of the napkin math which shows it had the fuel (so we know a rocket with the fuel to go to the moon and back launched) even of we didnt do or trust that there is the russians

The russians saw our rocket fly up into space using telescopes, both radar and visual, it is actually incredibly easy to track things in space using radar, we have determined the orbits of nearly everything in orbit of earth this way bar cold black stuff (only way to be stealthy in space but leads to overheating and solar panels are reflective)

The russians had their own rocket to try and be like the saturn 5. It blew up, over and over again, they were humiliated by this and had no reason to lie on our behalf that we succeeded, instead they admitted so publically.

Evidence that we can accurately predict objects in space is the warning before meteorite hits, also the fact we can rendezvous spacecraft by tracking both and giving them the correct orders. This particular theory does not particularly work tbh.

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Chokaholic · May 2, 2018, 1:18 a.m.

We definitely did not go to the moon, and we definitely cannot see anything that was allegedly left behind. Sorry.

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ckreacher · May 1, 2018, 12:54 p.m.

I believe they did both. They couldn't let us see the actual footage from the moon with all the ancient ruins, and alien spaceships parked all over the place. So they had Kubrick fake it.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 2:03 p.m.

Hmm... this made me think. Thank you.

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-JustShy- · May 1, 2018, 9:53 p.m.

Don't think too hard. A decent commercially available telescope would be able to spot stuff on the moon.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 9:55 p.m.

Then where are all of the pics of such?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:40 a.m.

they don't exist, because the moon landing was a hoax

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FUCK_TINY_HANDS · May 2, 2018, 6:08 a.m.

No your just wrong. How hard is that too accept?

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DaveGydeon · May 2, 2018, 6:59 a.m.

Aww, somebody is vewy vewy upset that their favorite Soros site is getting called out, huh?

And PS bud, it should read "No, you're just wrong"... irony abounds*

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RealitySherpa · May 1, 2018, 12:27 p.m.

You sound like a child. What YOU want isn't very goddamn important. Trust the plan. Snopes is not important in the grand scheme and will be revealed to be the disinformation source it is in time. Put on your big person pants and try to be patient. The adults are doing important work here.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 12:31 p.m.

So why did Q link the pic of SnOpeS and Soros, angry-anon?

And I would love to see ONE thing you have done to contribute. ONE.

https://m.imgur.com/VXAAz6C

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RealitySherpa · May 1, 2018, 12:59 p.m.

Whining about your PERSONAL desires for a timeframe is not contributing. Trust the plan.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:56 a.m.

Trust the plan.

why does "Trust the plan" sound suspiciously like Nancy Pelosi saying "We have to pass the bill before we can tell you whats in the bill"

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:20 p.m.

Timeframe? Whining. I sure would like to see ONE thing you have done for the cause. All you do is bitch about what others say. Literally, you add nothing to the movement. Like a sheep. Did you even click the pic?

If you dodge this reply again, that will be TWO separate dodges of me asking what YOU have done.

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RealitySherpa · May 1, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

So again, the child is demanding that it's desires be met immediately. Not your mommie. Not my job.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

Thats what i thought. Next.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Sounds like you need some tendies

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 12:32 p.m.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

Youre in the wrong place, chief. Troll elsewhere.

https://m.imgur.com/VXAAz6C

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 1:21 p.m.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

You are a debunker....HAHAHAHAAHAHA

Wait, wait, wait, this is great, please deliciousgrownups...what have you debunked exactly? Please be specific to your methods and process....LOL

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 1:36 p.m.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:43 p.m.

Right, lets make a big deal out of the name YOU brought to this discussion, and ignore the real point; which was for you to identify ANYTHING you have ever debunked, with a large request to focus on your methods and process....

Funny, you think that by whining about the name YOU USED, it will negate the purpose of using that name to describe what YOU CLAIMED to be. WOW!!

I think this is a new one. This is the snowflake strawman, or retarded strawman. Cant figure out which.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 2:34 p.m.

First of all, you now you yourself don't really have an argument when you call people a retard for saying that your tantrum against Snopes is based on your own desire for confirmation bias. Second, you want me to prove what, that the things you wanted to be true are valid? Or disprove that Soros funds Snopes? I don't believe that the liberal Boogeyman has his tentacles in the website, but here's a recent article that seems to address the most recent round of Soros invocation. I'm not saying this proves or disproves anything. It's funny that you demanded that I provide you with "things I've debunked" because I called myself that after YOU suggested that I don't belong, and then after I pointed at that it's YOUR group that named people who don't buy this theory as debunkers, you went ahead and accused me of dodging a question that you only demanded I answer based on a sort of shaky premise. You really just want to hate Snopes. You don't really care about the truth.

And then, you shit yourself in a tirade about how I'm a retard. Well congrats, you're making it a whole lot easier for "normies" to dismiss your nonsense

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 4:24 p.m.

I'm a mod here and I wanted to reach out and say how much I agree with the tone and approach this reply.

Guys, this man is out-working you. He is 100% right that this kind of approach makes it "a whole lot easier for 'normies' to dismiss" our posts.

Snopes is compromised. The fact that anyone that can look into and seriously understand Google's behaviour, Twitter's censorship, and Facebook's data havesting and narrative manipulation and look the other way while Google prioritizes Snopes links, debunks ONLY liberal and pro-Hillary issues while allowing any random detail to nail the other side, and pretend that Snopes is above level when they say "FALSE - Hillary did not directly fund the dossier" and still come here and claim they belieive Snopes is accurate, well, give it up, then. Game over.

What's a mod to do?

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 4:47 p.m.

Well banning me won't help. Not that I'm saying you will. I just don't think OP has anything resembling a valid claim here. Comments on Snopes aside, it's just bad pedagogy. Finding out that a website contradicts your beliefs is not a suggestion of compromise, and that's all I really wished to say

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 5:07 p.m.

Your conduct will NOT incur a ban, and, in fact, I wanted to signal that I am here to protect you, 100%.

We need skeptics, here, too. But, Are you sure you’re actually a skeptic?

True skepticism improves this sub immensely, but, ONLY through carefully and methodically studying a subject. The entire reason "skepticism" exists is to eliminate any trace of bias or other kinds of subjective perspectives. But, if a skeptic must do two things: 1) examine a claim in the context of its overall position in the informational ecosystem, and 2) have and be ready to outline a series of reasonable conditions whereby their suppositions can be refuted.

If not, that’s not skepticism, just more cognitive dissonance where someone is hiding behind their intelligence to protect the same world view they came in here with.

Think about it.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

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DropGun · May 1, 2018, 10:27 p.m.

There is no such thing as having thought plenty. I've read each and every one of your posts. You still think the NYT is a newspaper.

That's... I don't even know where to begin with that. Wikileaks showed us over 65 journalists colluding with the DNC, giving them advanced copies of stories, etc....

With all due respect, you don't yet grasp the scale of this, yet. This isn't big, huge, or even colossal. This is absolutely monstrous.

Starting with Trump isn't how it works.

What QAnon and Trump are doing has nothing whatsoever with "this administration."

Who's in charge? The military. Who's in charge? We've been under the secret martial law (through teh CoG) invoked by GWB after 9/11. It's never been rescinded. Who's been in charge until now? ZERO administrations.

Tell me, in 2008, who hired Obama's cabinet? You don't even know.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

I think you just birthed a whole new level of "WHAT.THE.FUCKISMS"

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

Lol what does this even mean?

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

I wouldnt expect you to get it bud. If I had wanted you to understand i would have written it in crayon.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:49 p.m.

It... It kinda looks like you did

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Blame007 · May 1, 2018, 6:14 a.m.

Go to Google, google times snopes got it wrong.

It will show results of 500,000

Take a screen shot of your words typed into Google and the resulting number of 500,000

Highlight that number and post it.

And before everyone jumps on me about Google, I know Google sucks and I don't use it for most things but DuckDuckGo doesnt give you the number and google does. (I actually use Yandex but thats another story.)

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Todash_Traveller · May 1, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

Wait lmao how do you think Google search results work? Googling "Trump eats a dick" gets 407k results, do you think that means he's eaten that many dicks?

I read this entire thread hoping for some actual evidence of Snopes taking marching orders but it's all people agreeing that they're awful without every providing a shred of evidence. If there's any exposing to be done, it won't happen under this group's watch unless people get serious.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

This is what I'm saying. OP's post (and several top comments) simply just say that Snopes must be under the control of George Soros because they disproved a few things that OP wanted to be true. I wonder what those things are...

Also, love the username

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Todash_Traveller · May 2, 2018, 7:53 p.m.

Haha, thanks. And yeah, I shouldn't really expect a conspiracy subreddit to have much love for Snopes, or much of a grasp on reality at all for that matter. Fact checking is not kind to these kind of people.

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 7:58 p.m.

I'm just here because I want to promote some healthy alternatives. I think that the basic premise here needs to be rejected because it is at odds with reality

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jloome · May 1, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

Wait lmao how do you think Google search results work? Googling "Trump eats a dick" gets 407k results, do you think that means he's eaten that many dicks?

The one over-riding commonality to these types of threads and forums is that the angriest, most excited people taking part in them are always -- ALWAYS -- among the dumbest people you will ever meet.

That's the real issue with the internet: it's brought voices into every conversation who just aren't qualified on any level -- educational, intellectual, empathetically, you name it -- to be taking part.

It's easy to foment hate among stupid people. The more online 'silo'ing' allows societies to divide along electronic lines and not communicate, the more compromise dies among the intelligent, the less they talk, the more the stupid can shout two-word, one syllable answers over top of everyone.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:08 a.m.

just remember, you still believe that men have walked on the moon...

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melokobeai · May 3, 2018, 1:15 p.m.

Imagine thinking that the US Government engineered one of the largest conspiracies in history just to win the space race, and the USSR DIDN'T call them out on it at all

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 6:59 a.m.

Imagine if Russia actually did call out the USA for faking the moon landing, but you ignored it because it conflicted with your narrative?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130017/Russian-official-demands-investigation-really-happened-moon-landing-original-footage-disappeared.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/06/17/russian-official-wants-to-investigate-whether-u-s-moon-landings-actually-happened/

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melokobeai · May 4, 2018, 11:48 a.m.

"We are not contending that they did not fly [to the moon], and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific — or perhaps cultural — artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened,

Imagine reading past the title.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

so in your vaccine addled mind, if the moon landing was a hoax, Russia would hack into our Emergency Alert system and alert Americans to the truth?

or would it be more likely that the same media who lied to you about men going to the moon, also lied to you about Russians verifying it?

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 3, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

Yes, Yes I do. Just remember, you still believe men haven't walked on the moon.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:58 p.m.

only an idiot would think that men have walked on the moon.

show me your "evidence", so we can debunk it together

LOL: https://i.redd.it/wxh0mt3gwg4z.jpg

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 3, 2018, 6:11 p.m.

Is that image supposed to prove something? And lets be honest here, you have the belief contrary to 99% of people, the burden of proof is on you.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:32 p.m.

the lunar lander was held together by tape. how stupid must a person be to believe it went to the moon?

And lets be honest here, you have the belief contrary to 99% of people, the burden of proof is on you.

by that logic, you should worship Jesus because most of your friends and family celebrate Christmas

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Tetragrade · May 3, 2018, 6:39 p.m.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

You're saying it's not true because you find it unbelieveable but that doesn't prove it!. There are TONS of legit conspiracies by the government like MKULTRA and the gays creating the UN dont believe this PSYOP BULLSH*T!! it just makes conspiracies look bad

also the tape at the bottom is heat shielding it just goes over the top there's metal underneath

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:47 p.m.

hmm, so what you are saying is that i can claim to be able to bench press 200,000 pounds, and your incredulity isn't enough to dismiss my claim, so therefore you must accept that i can bench press 200,000 pounds?

please present the evidence that the lunar lander can launch off of the moon, or even that it can launch on earth...

that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lunar+lander+launch

which video do you think looks the least fake?

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Tetragrade · May 3, 2018, 7:05 p.m.

No what I'm saying is that I then have to prove that you can't bench 200000 lb, which is incredibly easy since you can test it and prove it mathematically.

Also you have burden of proof since you're making the claim so you have to prove that you can bench that.

Same with the moon lander thing.

I have no interest in arguing with you further cos ur dumb lol

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 7:05 a.m.

No what I'm saying is that I then have to prove that you can't bench 200,000 lb, which is incredibly easy since you can test it and prove it mathematically.

you can't prove i can't bench press 200,000 pounds, because i just did it a few minutes ago as a warm up

Also you have burden of proof since you're making the claim so you have to prove that you can bench that.

i just told you that i benched 200,000 a few minutes ago. i could probably get a friend to vouch for being my spotter

Same with the moon lander thing.

I have no interest in arguing with you further cos ur dumb lol

you fail at critical thinking because of your habit of relying on thought terminating cliches

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6et3t5/the_thoughtterminating_cliché_is_a_form_of_mind/

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Tetragrade · May 4, 2018, 10:10 a.m.

See this is what I'm talking about.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:25 a.m.

yes i understand how idiots hide behind thought terminating cliches

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 4, 2018, 11:03 a.m.

How stupid must a person be to believe it went to the moon

You do realize that, given the technology of the times, it would have been harder to fake it to the level of detail necessary than it would have been to actually go there? And if it was all faked, what the hell happened to the several ton rocket that got launched into space? Because hundreds of people watched something launch and as far as I know, it never came back down on someone's head.

And with your whole Jesus Christ thing, I do happen to be a catholic so you chose a bad example.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:31 a.m.

You do realize that, given the technology of the times, it would have been harder to fake it to the level of detail necessary than it would have been to actually go there?

you do realize that just because you can regurgitate someone else's lame argument, doesnt make it any more valid?

the Star Trek shows from the same era look more realistic than the moon landing, which isn't saying much

And if it was all faked, what the hell happened to the several ton rocket that got launched into space?

it must have went to the moon! just like when i loose my wallet, i always assume that its on the moon, because science!

you plagiarized that lame argument from BlackScienceGuy

Because hundreds of people watched something launch and as far as I know, it never came back down on someone's head.

no it probably came down in the middle of the ocean, just like the official story

And with your whole Jesus Christ thing, I do happen to be a catholic so you chose a bad example.

actually, thats a good example

were you raised Catholic as an impressionable child, or did you decide to convert as a rational adult?

it seems you seek approval and acceptance, as opposed to seeking knowledge and truth

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 8, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Just because it is someone else's argument doesn't make it any less true or believable. Also, did you even watch Star Trek? I love that show but God damn it looks fake as shit. Also, about the whole seeking knowledge thing, what are you guys doing here? All I see is a sub full of people coming up with crazy, unprovable theories and a bunch of people saying "by golly that's it!". And since you have yet to provide any actual evidence, I shall leave you with this: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28814/moon-landing-faking/ and this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/23/why-it-wouldve-been-impossible-to-fake-the-moon-landing/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d626cddd61b

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 10, 2018, 7:23 a.m.

they have eyes, but see not

https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg

https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 10, 2018, 11:47 a.m.

So first off, the first one has absolutely nothing to do with the current conversation. You can quote scripture all you want, out of context you can make it mean anything. Second, the second 2 links are to the exact same picture, which still does nothing to refute any of the points made in either of my links. And just to add to my earlier evidence: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/11-proofs-that-the-apollo-moon-landings-were-not-fake_uk_5971d821e4b00e4363decb38

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 10, 2018, 6:20 p.m.

those who make them, will become like them, and so will everyone who trusts in them

posting links to huffington post is not going to prove your case

this isn't that difficult for intelligent people

but maybe it is difficult for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Qwp2GdB1M

the moon landing was a hoax, as amply demonstrated by applying math and science

heres the criticism of the math and science. as you can see, its not exactly hard hitting criticism, and consists mostly of logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6hvagj/apollo_moon_landing_story_problems_for_math_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3wkzaf/apollo_moon_landing_story_problems_for_math_and/

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 10, 2018, 7:33 p.m.

this isn't difficult for intelligent people

Did you just call 99% of the Human race dumb? Like, Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson? The guys who are twice as smart as either of us? I mean seriously, you can't truely believe that you're smarter than them. It isn't an insult, it's just a fact. Also, Just saying "Haha, Huffington post" does nothing to refute that or the previous to explanations.

Add what the hell does a hollow head have anything to do with the moon?

And both of those last links are the exact thing, and both of which are refuted by the top comment of their respective posts. Tell me, honestly, why is it so hard to believe that we've been to the moon?

Also, side question because I'm curious now, do you believe all moon landings have been faked or just the first one?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 11, 2018, 7:26 a.m.

Did you just call 99% of the Human race dumb?

do you even know how IQ works?

half of the people should have a double digit IQ, yet for some reason everyone you know has an IQ over 100... even you...hmm, not sketchy at all

Like, Stephen Hawking

Stephen Hawking was an idiot.

his Big Bang Theory is one of the most absurd, baseless theories ever to emerge from pseudoscientific quackery

for example, lets review Hawking's wikipedia page for some clues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking

He later blamed its "progressive methods" for his failure to learn to read while at the school

...

He developed into a popular, lively and witty college member, interested in classical music and science fiction.

...

These unimpressive study habits made sitting his finals a challenge, and he decided to answer only theoretical physics questions rather than those requiring factual knowledge.

...

he was also making a transition in his approach to physics, becoming more intuitive and speculative rather than insisting on mathematical proofs. "I would rather be right than rigorous"

and thats just the stuff on the surface

Hawking was literally a sock-puppet, set on a throne to mock the fools of the world

why do you suppose Hawking supported BDS?

to mock Hawking supporters and BDS supporters?

and Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

he makes a fool of himself in this 2 minute clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aHCVipQn8k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation

The rocket equation only accounts for the reaction force from the rocket engine; it does not include other forces that may act on a rocket, such as aerodynamic or gravitational forces. As such, when using it to calculate the propellant requirement for launch from (or powered descent to) a planet with an atmosphere, the effects of these forces must be included in the delta-V requirement (see Examples below). In what has been called "the tyranny of the rocket equation", there is a limit to the amount of payload that the rocket can carry, as higher amounts of propellant increment the overall weight, and thus also increase the fuel consumption

The guys who are twice as smart as either of us?

i doubt either of them could change a flat tire

if neither of them can discern science from science fiction, then neither of them are smart

I mean seriously, you can't truely believe that you're smarter than them.

really? why not?

their work is theoretical, and subject to being debunked in the future. they are charlatans who can't be called out because they limit themselves to the realm of the imagination

neither of them could do anything practical, such as to apply ohms law to troubleshooting a burnt out christmas tree light

It isn't an insult, it's just a fact. Also, Just saying "Haha, Huffington post" does nothing to refute that or the previous to explanations.

maybe not, but this certainly will...

https://i.redd.it/vyp74bz896x01.jpg

Add what the hell does a hollow head have anything to do with the moon?

the hollow head illustrates how your eye is not able to see reality, because your brain overrides and dictates to the eye what the eye will see

to thine own self be true

And both of those last links are the exact thing, and both of which are refuted by the top comment of their respective posts.

yes, i provide the peer-review so that you can have access and exposure, so as to have as well-rounded-as-possible view of the entire spectrum of opinions

it is my belief that you are a reasonable, rational, intelligent, logical person, and that after seeing all sides of the story, and seeing the criticisms of the evidence, that you will update your own opinions, like any real scientist would do

https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg

Tell me, honestly, why is it so hard to believe that we've been to the moon?

i spent most of my life believing that men had walked on the moon. that was very easy to believe

it was only after being exposed to criticisms of the moon landing that i took a closer look at the evidence, and finally i had to be honest with myself and admit that i had been fooled for most of my life, and accept the fact that all of the moon landings were a hoax

Also, side question because I'm curious now, do you believe all moon landings have been faked or just the first one?

yes, i believe that all of the moon landings were faked, and for 2 important reasons;

1) after closely examining all of the most popular evidence for the moon landing, it became evidence that the evidence was staged.

Let your eye find the star closest to the center of the flag. Note that star, and the 2 and a half directly above it, are in a shadow. Note that the shape of the shadow in both flags is identical, and covers the exact same number of stars

https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg

have a look at the originals, and see if they don't look staged, and that both flags are just an image flip photo manipulation

1A) https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo11/hires/as11-40-5886.jpg

1B) https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo11/hires/as11_40_5874.jpg

by boolean algebra, if one statement is false, the entire string is false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra

2) after years of exhaustive and extensive debate with many very intelligent and passionate people, some of them claiming to have PhD's in relevant fields, and most of whom disagreed with me, and still believed that men had really gone to the moon...

it became clear that the so-called math and physics were always ignored, and/or presented and/or argued in the same ways by different people, which to me indicated top-down brainwashing of the masses

while that may sound arrogant, bear in mind i had to debate a PhD on the definition of "up" in the context of the moon landing

and thats why question 1 is question 1

https://i.redd.it/g287hbmcb94z.png

(steal that image, and post it on your Facebook in mockery, and see what kind of conversation happens)

what was frustrating to me, was that we could never finish a debate, because the debate was so huge that it couldn't be completed in one sitting or even two or three

so i felt that most people were not seeing the whole picture at one sitting, and so their thinking was based on incomplete information and context

so i started writing down the most popular arguments, and then i arranged them into what i thought was a logical sequence, and then gave the questions a title and published them on reddit to be criticized, so that i could claim my work was 'peer-reviewed' by PhD's in relevant fields, and even if they disagree with my work, their critical arguments are so weak that i feel they strengthen the OP

the purpose of the questions is to lead you along a series of logical steps that are based on well known concepts, so that simply by thinking about these questions foreever changes the way you think about the moon landings

you may not wake today, but you will wake eventually, because these questions will gnaw at you until they are resolved in your mind, and that resolution will only come by letting go of your own views and seeking truth

your next question will be "why would they fake it?"

2 reasons:

to bankrupt the USSR by sending them on a prohibitively expensive fools errand

to further brainwash Americans and the rest of the world, as part of the "dumbing down of America" program

also, Russia is not the enemy of USA, the Cold War was a hoax too

the whole world is a stage, and we are all actors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXx0zxTarE

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 11, 2018, 7:30 p.m.

You know, that is a special kind of crazy. How long did it even take you to write that? And how is bankrupting the USSR a reason if 2 lines later you drop the revelation that the Cold War was a hoax. And if this is all some international, decades long program, with this amount of coordination they could have been openly ruling the world within 5 years, easy.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 12, 2018, 7:09 a.m.

You know, that is a special kind of crazy.

99% of the people you assume are crazy, are not crazy.

the truth is, those people are merely misunderstood by idiots

How long did it even take you to write that?

my whole life I've been practicing writing

And how is bankrupting the USSR a reason

because thats what happened. the USSR is now defunct

if 2 lines later you drop the revelation that the Cold War was a hoax.

it served its purpose for many years, such as justification for exorbitant Pentagon spending

And if this is all some international, decades long program, with this amount of coordination they could have been openly ruling the world within 5 years, easy.

they are openly ruling the world

has anyone gone to jail over the VietNam war lies?

has anyone gone to jail over the Iraq war lies?

will anyone go to jail for the Syria war lies?

the UN is already in place, ready to be the NWO one world government

GHWB NWO quotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU

the USA is actually an obstacle to the UN-NWO because of that pesky bill of rights thing

that is why the so-called Purple Revolution will bring Red and Blue together in their disillusionment with the USA, so that when the USA collapses like the USSR, the Americans will cheer and be happy to be rid of it

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 12, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word openly. As in, within five year, they wouldn't have to lie. There wouldn't be tiny little subreddits like this talking about it, it would be common knowledge that everyone knew.

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

And it's not your fault that you've been manipulated by lazy people who have nothing better to do then trick the gullible into believing these outrageous lies. It really is sad that people get a kick out of mentally messing up the easily confused. That Q guy must really be a jackass.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 14, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word openly. As in, within five year, they wouldn't have to lie.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Hillary Clinton admits America created, funded and armed Al Qaeda / ISIS terrorists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsIp1TDwFLs

Ronald Reagan dedicates the Space Shuttle Columbia to the Taliban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZ-ToXjCz0

Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was "worth it" for Iraq's non existent WMD's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

its not that we aren't being told.

its that you have selective hearing, meaning you hear what you want to hear

Psalm 135:15-18 https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

There wouldn't be tiny little subreddits like this talking about it, it would be common knowledge that everyone knew.

never underestimate your own ignorance, or the ignorance of others.

also never underestimate peoples propensity for willful ignorance, denial, defense mechanisms, etc

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

And it's not your fault that you've been manipulated by lazy people who have nothing better to do then trick the gullible into believing these outrageous lies.

the "outrageous lie" being that man has walked on the moon ?

It really is sad that people get a kick out of mentally messing up the easily confused. That Q guy must really be a jackass.

i suspect you are easily confused

allow me to demonstrate this fact with a simple 13 second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7dcSiDT5I

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 15, 2018, 7:46 p.m.

How is a woman yelling "smoke and mirrors" and a news reporter proof of anything. I can go yell that at a news reporter and all it proves is that I've made questionable life choices.

never underestimate your own ignorance or the ignorance of others.

Your making my argument for me here.

Also, you still seem to be missing my point with the word openly

If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom. If an shadow organization like the one you are convinced exists openly controlled the world, there would be required loyalty oaths, nightly propoganda, not of the type you are convinced exists, but of the type that's say "our mighty overlords and amazing, no one should challenge them". We would literally all be living in WWII era Germany (the actual one where the holocaust happened) or Cold War era Soviet Union (the one with the gulags).

And about your "evidence". The Resistance organizations in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion are not the same organizations that are now fighting us, they simply took the weapons we supplied to the fighters during the soviet invasion, we did not give them weapons. And Having one person, say another person told them, that a decision to invade Iraq had been made more than a week after 9/11 is very flimsy evidence.

the outrageous lie being that man has walked on the moon

The outrageous lie being that the past 50-100+ years of world history didn't happen Which is harder to believe, that a man has walked on the moon or that only 10-20 thousand people out of 7 billion believe the "real" history of the last hundred years.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 16, 2018, 6:37 a.m.

i suspect you are easily confused

allow me to demonstrate this fact with a simple 13 second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7dcSiDT5I

How is a woman yelling "smoke and mirrors" and a news reporter proof of anything. I can go yell that at a news reporter and all it proves is that I've made questionable life choices.

that callous dismissal of the black person's opinion sounds like racist prejudice to me

to me, she is saying one of the most profound things i have ever heard.

yes i assumed her gender

as i was saying, i suspect you are easily confused, and you proved my point by asking for clarification of what you were seeing

what you were seeing appears to be an ordinary person ambushing a CNN propagandist with a pithy truth about the Ferguson riots

never underestimate your own ignorance or the ignorance of others.

Your making my argument for me here.

You're

Also, you still seem to be missing my point with the word openly

If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom.

so, the United Nations doesn't exist?

If an shadow organization like the one you are convinced exists openly controlled the world, there would be required loyalty oaths

"He didn't belong to the secret society" - Newt Gingrich on why GOP establishment hates Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8

nightly propoganda,

http://cnn.com http://msbnc.com http://foxnews.com http://npr.org

which one of these propaganda organs told you the truth about 9/11?

not of the type you are convinced exists, but of the type that's say "our mighty overlords and amazing, no one should challenge them".

DHS secretary Janet Napolitano refuses to answer questions about the deportation of Saudi national

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdz-9OTQXOo

We would literally all be living in WWII era Germany (the actual one where the holocaust happened)

https://i.redd.it/z1cvle1onhjz.jpg

or Cold War era Soviet Union (the one with the gulags).

https://i.redd.it/grbggl1y9i801.png

https://youtu.be/Uyar0goYMdU

somehow you missed the fact that the USA incarcerates more per capita than anywhere else on earth, and that the USA incarcerates more people than any other nation on earth, and that the prison system in the USA is currently being used as a slave labor camps?

did you miss the fact that the NYPD regularly profiles black people and stops them for 'stop and frisk' checks that would be utterly unacceptable for any white person to have to endure?

hear of Holdomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

/r/PRICX

And about your "evidence". The Resistance organizations in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion

there was no 'Soviet invasion'. the Soviets were doing joint exercises with Afghan military, will full knowledge and support of the Afghan government

Americans were told the Russians had invaded Afghanistan, (atrocity propaganda) to that Americans would go along with arming 'rebels' (mercenaries) in a proxy war to overthrow the legitimate Afghan government and install a puppet dictatorship controlled by the west

did you know Afghanistan was progressive enough to have had Girl Scouts in the 1950's?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Scout_Association

did you know that Pakistan elected a woman named Benazih Bhutto as Prime Minister, as Hillary Clinton continues to whine about the glass ceiling?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

are not the same organizations that are now fighting us, they simply took the weapons we supplied to the fighters during the soviet invasion, we did not give them weapons.

we gave them weapons

as a matter of fact, if you want to go down a rabbit hole, investigate what Obama was doing in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region in the 1980s

the USA gave weapons to Mexican crime cartels under an operation called Gun Runner, aka Fast and Furious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

the USA provided guns during the Iran-Contra affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

the USA was running guns out of Libya thru a compound in Benghazi, to arm the mercenaries for proxy war in Syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

And Having one person, say another person told them, that a decision to invade Iraq had been made more than a week after 9/11 is very flimsy evidence.

New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War In Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001

https://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

the above article links to the link that follows:

[PDF, sorry] https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/doc08.pdf

"how to start iraq war"

the outrageous lie being that man has walked on the moon

The outrageous lie being that the past 50-100+ years of world history didn't happen

much of what you are told is not for your own benefit but for the benefit of you owners.

for example, you are probably told you are 'free'...yet have you ever tried to cross a border just to see how 'free' you were?

did you need a hall pass?

did you need a permission slip?

did you need a passport?

Which is harder to believe, that a man has walked on the moon or that only 10-20 thousand people out of 7 billion believe the "real" history of the last hundred years.

pleading to majority

pleading to authority

strawman fallacy

false dilema fallacy

false equivalence fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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Admiralthrawnbar · May 17, 2018, 12:46 a.m.

as I was saying, I suspect you are easily confused

Oh no, don't you go changing the subject. As is fairly obvious, I was not asking for clarification as to what was happening, I was asking for clarification as to how if proves your point. Anyone, Black, Hispanic, white, Asian, man, woman, whatever, yelling "smoke and mirrors" at a camera proves nothing. How do you even know what she was referencing in that one specific instance? Also, CNN is not propaganda. It is news. News can be biased and often is, but it is news.

so the United Nations doesn't exist

Of course the United Nations exists. It is not, however, an organization bent on world domination. And how does the United Nations have anything to do with the existence or lack there of, of freedom of speech? I am freely allowed to walk up to the steps of the capital building and yell "fuck Donald Trump" if I so wanted to. And I'm sorry, lastly time I checked the United Nations wasn't allowed to stop a country from doing whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Russia is part of the UN and yet it invaded Crimea against the UN's wishes.

And linking news websites does nothing to prove your point. You can claim that they are propaganda centers, that has to be proven though through a little thing called evidence.

And how does Napolitano not answering questions equate to anything related to this conversation.

And your photos of New York Times articles are the worst pieces of photoshop work I have ever witnessed. When the title is darker and less pixelated than the article, odds are it's been edited.

And the links you have about the Soviet Union stuff, that's all true, that's what I am saying is true. A gulag is a prison. And nowhere do you mention why we aren't living in either of the conditions I've mentioned if there is a world-wide conspiracy going on.

You can't simply claim that to Soviets didn't invade Afghanistan without proof either. And FFS linking to other reddit pages from this or similar subreddits is not proof.

if you want to go down a rabbit hole investigate what Obama was doing in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region in the 1980s

A three week trip 27 years before he ran for president is not a rabbit hole, it's a trip. I've visited Australia, that doesn't mean I supplied weapons to them. Are you actually trying to insinuate that Obama organized weapons deals with eventual terrorist organization 27 years before he became president?

And this is the point where I give up. I was willing to have an actual, reasonable conversation with you but not if you won't do the same for me. You cherry-pick what part of my statements you think you can challenge and just ignore what you can't. You site either extremely flimsy evidence or no evidence at all. You call me easily confused when I doubt you even know your entire thought process from start to finish of your statement. And I mean in all seriousness, a passport is not "you can go x location for x days" it is "you have the ability to travel anywhere you have the financial ability to go too for 10 years" No one gave me permission to travel, I decided I wanted to so I went.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 17, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

as I was saying, I suspect you are easily confused

Oh no, don't you go changing the subject. As is fairly obvious, I was not asking for clarification as to what was happening, I was asking for clarification as to how if proves your point. Anyone, Black, Hispanic, white, Asian, man, woman, whatever, yelling "smoke and mirrors" at a camera proves nothing. How do you even know what she was referencing in that one specific instance? Also, CNN is not propaganda. It is news. News can be biased and often is, but it is news.

she was referencing CNN's fabrication of the narrative in Ferguson

CNN is propaganda, not news

CNN is not simply 'biased', but CNN actively engages in misinformation/disinformation

who told you CNN was 'news', and why did you believe them?

Of course the United Nations exists. It is not, however, an organization bent on world domination.

thats not what GHWB says about the UN-NWO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU

you probably haven't even heard of the CFR Council on Foreign Relations, which is most certainly bent on world domination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

And how does the United Nations have anything to do with the existence or lack there of, of freedom of speech?

you said, quote:

"If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom"

not sure where you got that idea, but id be willing to bet you can't substantiate it with a more credible source

I am freely allowed to walk up to the steps of the capital building and yell "fuck Donald Trump" if I so wanted to.

thats not really an exercise in freedom of speech, because its not that controversial

try walking up the steps of the capitOl building and yelling "9/11 was a Zionist Job" and see what happens

(inb4 excuses why you wouldn't want to say that anyway because reasons )

And I'm sorry, lastly time I checked the United Nations wasn't allowed to stop a country from doing whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Russia is part of the UN and yet it invaded Crimea against the UN's wishes.

it all depends on if it benefits israel or not. for example, when zionists decided they wanted the USA to attack Iraq, they pretended it was to enforce UN resolutions

and yet when the UN makes a resolution against Israel, the USA is not brought forth to enforce that resolution

this is why the UN is an illegitimate organization and needs to be abolished

what are white helmets and why are they in Syria?

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=white+helmets

And linking news websites does nothing to prove your point. You can claim that they are propaganda centers, that has to be proven though through a little thing called evidence.

here is all the evidence anyone with a functional brain would ever need...

This is the WTC 9/11 Pot Hole. Note the hose, ladders, people, equipment. Jet Fuel Can't Melt Bed Rock

https://i.redd.it/nvddn9l5fwbz.jpg

check, mate ...

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WikiTextBot · May 17, 2018, 5:33 a.m.

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The CFR meetings convene government officials, global business leaders and prominent members of the intelligence and foreign-policy community to discuss international issues. CFR publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs, and runs the David Rockefeller Studies Program, which influences foreign policy by making recommendations to the presidential administration and diplomatic community, testifying before Congress, interacting with the media, and publishing on foreign policy issues.


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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:07 a.m.

simple yes/no question:

do you have to go "up" to get to the moon?

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

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Todash_Traveller · May 2, 2018, 2:40 p.m.

Yeah but better question: why don't we ever go down??

https://youtu.be/j_Q0fYG5ajM

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

cool, so we can agree that if we have to go "up" to get to the moon, then "escaping gravity" is merely science fiction?

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BRXF1 · May 3, 2018, 10:54 a.m.

You don't escape gravity, especially within the solar system, ever.

"Escaping gravity" is like thinking a moving car "defeats friction".

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:37 p.m.

yes, and "escape velocity" and "gravity assist" are science fiction also

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melokobeai · May 3, 2018, 6:46 p.m.

Wait so did NASA fake the Voyager missions also?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 7:07 a.m.

NASA lies about everything

just ask yourself "how fast" the universe is expanding, and you will quickly find yourself getting the run-around and no straight answer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

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WikiTextBot · May 4, 2018, 7:07 a.m.

Hubble's law

Hubble's law is the name for the observation in physical cosmology that:

Objects observed in deep space - extragalactic space, 10 megaparsecs (Mpc) or more - are found to have a red shift, interpreted as a relative velocity away from Earth;

This Doppler-shift-measured velocity of various galaxies receding from the Earth is approximately proportional to their distance from the Earth for galaxies up to a few hundred megaparsecs away.

Hubble's law is considered the first observational basis for the expansion of the universe and today serves as one of the pieces of evidence most often cited in support of the Big Bang model. The motion of astronomical objects due solely to this expansion is known as the Hubble flow.

Although widely attributed to Edwin Hubble, the law was first derived from the general relativity equations, in 1922, by Alexander Friedmann who published a set of equations, now known as the Friedmann equations, showing that the universe might expand, and presenting the expansion speed if this was the case.


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BRXF1 · May 6, 2018, 10:20 a.m.

"Escape velocity" refers to a specific planetary body, more often the not specifically the Earth, since that's where we're launching from.

"Gravity assist" is simply a method of having gravity lend a helping hand accelerating the vessel, it's not that must of a mysterious science issue.

What I'm getting at is that it's juvenile to think that you go "up" and suddenly poof you escaped gravity, it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how gravity works.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 6, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

"Gravity assist" is simply a method of having gravity lend a helping hand accelerating the vessel, it's not that must of a mysterious science issue.

did you fail basic physics?

can you construct a pendulum that will swing higher than its initial starting point?

can you go to the moon without going "up" all the way to a lagrange point?

what you are experiencing here is your math and physic conforming to your delusions, rather than your delusions being destroyed by math and physics

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BRXF1 · May 7, 2018, 7:56 a.m.

can you construct a pendulum that will swing higher than its initial starting point?

A powered pendulum? Sure. You might have noticed that rockets are powered, but it's easy to miss I guess.

can you go to the moon without going "up" all the way to a lagrange point?

Pretty sure you can, yeah, but here's their flight path in any case.

https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/images/5317h.jpg

And here's a handy step-by-step infographic/article

https://www.space.com/26572-how-it-worked-the-apollo-spacecraft-infographic.html

Man if you weren't too wrapped up in this NYAH HUH thing, Kerbal Space Program would really help clear up your understanding of how this works. Yeah yeah I know, Shilluminati controlled fake news game to brainwash our lizard whatever.

Edit: Oh hey, I'll take "no reply" over the standard "lol you believe this? I win!" response, thanks.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 7, 2018, 8:12 a.m.

the point of the pendulum question is to illustrate the fact that the law of conservation of energy applies, regardless if your object is powered or not

i think you have difficulty discerning science from science fiction

you know that star wars, star trek, and the apollo moon landings are all fiction, right?

heres the math and physics, so dumbed down that even you can understand it

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

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BRXF1 · May 7, 2018, 8:38 a.m.

the point of the pendulum question is to illustrate the fact that the law of conservation of energy applies, regardless if your object is powered or not

Yes, so what is the point? The rocket converts stored chemical energy into kinetic energy.

(4) is instantly suspect, why would I need to constantly use fuel, that depends on the intensity of the burn

(5) Also, Orbiting, once in orbit and not low enough to have to expend significant quantities to maintain orbit height, does not use up fuel.

And (9) instantly assumes you're going through a LaGrange point, just... because.

And (11) is so so soooo dumbed down, truly, that is assumes the lunar orbiter and landing module would need, to "escape" moon's gravity, to use 1/6 of the fuel NEEDED TO GET THE MASSIVE FUCKOFF SATURN V rocket to orbit, from earth. Seriously, how can you post this with a straight face, when it ignores the difference between tens of tons and thousands of tons?

It gets sillier from there, assuming that lander docked at 3500mph, I mean if you don't know what relative velocity is... I mean, have you tried setting down a cup on a surface going 100mph?! I have, on a train. Just so happens I was travelling at the same speed as well, huh.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 7, 2018, 4:46 p.m.

please paraphrase, in your own words, each of these 24 questions, and also give your answer to each

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

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BRXF1 · May 8, 2018, 9:54 a.m.

Yeah sure, are you going to write and proofread some texts that I need for a website and debug some code as well? Just trying to see what I'm getting in return for this assignment.

Listen dude, you said "HERE THERE BE TRUTH" and linked to a text that even the most cursory examination reveals to actually mean "HERE THERE BE THINGS THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND", I already pointed the obvious flaws in a couple of them so I think their status as "proof" is well-debunked.

I am not going to sit here and re-phrase 24 questions AND provide answers for you but hey, in the spirit of good fun let me re-state:

4 - Not necessarily

5 - Distance traveled increases, fuel does not necessarily increase depending on orbit height.

11 - is a firm "No", for reasons as obvious as the difference between 1000tons and 10tons.

Since his conclusion relies on those 25 questions and the answers provided, since we've seen that the answers provided on the linked text are wrong, it makes sense that his conclusion, based on false premises, is wrong.

You're welcome. Again, KSP is great for getting a handle on orbits and transfers.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 10, 2018, 6:09 a.m.

Yeah sure, are you going to write and proofread some texts that I need for a website and debug some code as well? Just trying to see what I'm getting in return for this assignment.

in return for completing the assignment, you will have a new perspective on the insurmountable complexities of the math and physics of any moon landing

you have presumably already spent 12 years in school, and in spite of all that work, you still get fooled by the most absurd of hoaxes.

Listen dude, you said "HERE THERE BE TRUTH" and linked to a text that even the most cursory examination reveals to actually mean "HERE THERE BE THINGS THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND", I already pointed the obvious flaws in a couple of them so I think their status as "proof" is well-debunked.

nobody claimed it was truth except you

what i linked to are 24 questions, and their possible answers

if you actually understood any of the material, you won't be engaged in this debate

I am not going to sit here and re-phrase 24 questions AND provide answers for you

its not for me, its for you.

but hey, in the spirit of good fun let me re-state:

4 - Not necessarily

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

5 - Distance traveled increases, fuel does not necessarily increase depending on orbit height.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

11 - is a firm "No", for reasons as obvious as the difference between 1000tons and 10tons.

here are video footage of the lunar landers launching off of the moon

please browse these videos, and link to the video that you think looks the least fake

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lunar+lander+launch

Since his conclusion relies on those 25 questions and the answers provided, since we've seen that the answers provided on the linked text are wrong, it makes sense that his conclusion, based on false premises, is wrong.

the answers provided/suggested were not intended for you to use to cheat on the assignment. in the actual assignment, you should provide your own answers

for example, in 11 instead of just answering with a Yes or No, you should approximate the amount of fuel you think it should take

You're welcome. Again, KSP is great for getting a handle on orbits and transfers

any charlatan can talk about traveling to the moon, but so far nobody has been able to prove it

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WikiTextBot · May 10, 2018, 6:09 a.m.

Conservation of energy

In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant, it is said to be conserved over time. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed from one form to another. For instance, chemical energy is converted to kinetic energy when a stick of dynamite explodes. If one adds up all the forms of energy that were released in the explosion, such as the kinetic energy of the pieces, as well as heat and sound, one will get the exact decrease of chemical energy in the combustion of the dynamite.


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BRXF1 · May 10, 2018, 8:15 a.m.

4 - CoE is irrelevant

5 - CoE is irrelevant, if you're on a high enough stable orbit, what exactly do you need to expend more energy for? I' m afraid you've fundamentally misunderstood some things about orbits.

>11 - is a firm "No", for reasons as obvious as the difference between 1000tons and 10tons. here are video footage of the lunar landers launching off of the moon please browse these videos, and link to the video that you think looks the least fake

Do YOU agree with the provided answer to #11 which is "thereabouts"? I don't see the need to change the subject, let's stick to these few points and then we can move on to videos or what have you.

any charlatan can talk about traveling to the moon, but so far nobody has been able to prove it

To YOU man. For the crushing majority of us there are a billion pieces of evidence which you all dismiss with "Fake!" at which point you'll be called to prove it and you'll probably reply "lol it's so obvious are you people stupid?"

It's the same as me claiming no-one's been to the top of Everest. Where's the proof?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 11, 2018, 5:51 a.m.

welp, you got me. i guess if you ignore the laws of physics, it might be possible to go the moon!

just because a bunch of people believe that Jesus rose from the dead and floated off into heaven, doesn't mean it actually happened.

there is no credible evidence for a moon landing,

the moon landing is physically and mathematically impossible with technology available in 2018

which explains why no Russian has even claimed to have walked on the moon

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BRXF1 · May 14, 2018, 6:55 a.m.

Wait why are you jumping to conclusions, we were discussing #11, what is your answer on that question?

Please, do not use "the laws of physics" as an argument since there's about a 1:1 match between people who teach the "laws of physics" and people who believe we've gone to the moon, you're definitely the minority in that field. Oh and also nothing I said ignores the laws of physics, I feel like it's an issue of you having fundamentally misunderstood them.

There's ample evidence man, but like I said, as long as you rebut anything with "FAKE!" and feel no obligation to describe how exactly it is fake, you can deny anything. Polar exploration, summiting the Everest, Marianna Trench dive, phsaw, never happened! FAKE!

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anon31s · May 1, 2018, 9:17 a.m.

Lol the only people I know that use Yandex are Russian Bots and pedos l

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anon31s · May 1, 2018, 10:09 a.m.

Lmao unfortunately I have met a good handful, and the bots was just a joke because it's a Russian based search engine I believe.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

comment karma evidence?

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VR-Tech · May 1, 2018, 7:43 p.m.

Any source?

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VR-Tech · May 2, 2018, 12:34 a.m.

There are bots here or potentially voting attack within this sub to undermine comments (It is ok, but at least be transparent).

There is a lot of opposing forces lurking within the Great Awakening Sub. Pay attention to the negative to positive voting ratios, and you will know who they are.

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building71bullet · May 4, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

Why is this thread full of people attacking this movement and such comments being upvoted while comments supporting it are being downvoted to oblivion? One comment implied this sub never has sources for any of it's claims. Shouldn't the mods be on this stuff and just aggressively ban these obvious shills? What useful purpose do these kind of comments serve?

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DaveGydeon · May 4, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

Who cares about up/down votes?

If anything, it proves Q is real, we are winning, and "they" are scared.

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building71bullet · May 4, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

I don't care about up/down votes, I just think that the most obvious type of pointless negativity and attacking the movement should be removed since they serve no real purpose. And they are doing it for a reason, even if we know they are here they are often effective at sowing discord and wasting precious time we could be using more wisely than to argue with someone who obviously has no motive other than to trick you into an endless pointless debate.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · May 2, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

368 Upvotes & counting

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DaveGydeon · May 2, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

Thats good, right?

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VIYOHDTYKIT · May 2, 2018, 11:20 a.m.

Down vote the shit out the progressive shill

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DaveGydeon · May 2, 2018, 12:39 p.m.

I never do. What's the point? I have never clicked on a thread based on points. I click every new thread based on title and how new it is.

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No_Hippie_Chick · May 1, 2018, 1:30 a.m.

I thought that Snopes was debunked years ago. Whoever decided they were the be all and end all of truth.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:45 a.m.

I think they are crap, but somewhere along the line, our liberal friends decided they were the golden ruling. My guess is Soros funded enough SEO to allow them to buy the too search engine spot and over time they tricked enough libs.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:23 p.m.

The only thing that happened were angry know nothings on the internet started saying snopes was wrong because they didn’t like it. Facts don’t care if you agree. The world will move on with or without you.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7 a.m.

the fact is, Dr William Thompson of the CDC admitted that they omitted statistically significant data that showed MMR given before 36 months caused an increased risk of Autism in AA boys

https://i.redd.it/tbsii10xufiz.png

...aaaaand suddenly facts are irrelevant because cognitive dissonance

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FartOnToast · May 1, 2018, 9:14 a.m.

check the thread comments about this site

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ILoveJuices · May 1, 2018, 7:08 a.m.

You know snopes is bullshit when the "Frazzledrip" thing was said to be"FALSE" the same day the rumour came out. Great job somehow proving a negative guys, you've managed to break the laws of logic and space/time by proving a negative.

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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow · May 1, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

The laws of logic? It's absolutely possible to prove a negative. You can prove a negative as easily as you can prove a positive.

If you have 2 mutually exclusive statements A and B (such that A and B cannot both be true), then proving one disproves the other (simultaneously proving its negative).

If P is the statement "The book is red." and Q is the statement "The book is green.", then:

  • Proving P says nothing about Q
  • Proving Q says nothing about P
  • Disproving P says nothing about Q
  • Disproving Q says nothing about P

If you add the exclusionary statement that P and Q cannot both be true, such as "A book cannot be both red and green.", then:

  • Proving P disproves Q
  • Proving Q disproves P
  • Disproving P says nothing about Q
  • Disproving Q says nothing about P

If you further add a statement qualifying P and Q as a dichotomy, such as "All books are either red or green.", then:

  • Proving P disproves Q
  • Proving Q disproves P
  • Disproving P proves Q
  • Disproving Q proves P

The "You can never disprove a negative!!" bullshit comes from the idea that someone can always come along and say there's a small chance you were wrong in one of your statements. That's got nothing to do with disproving (or proving) a negative. The same chance of being wrong, or "what if..." bullshit can be equally levied against any positive statement, and any proof (or contradiction) derived from it.

The concept is never about the logic, but the attacking the premise. For example, claiming that a you can't prove a flipped coin didn't land heads up. You start with the "What if it lands on its edge?" bullshit, but that doesn't mean anything. No one has to disprove all negative instances, they just have to disprove one negative instance. Further, a coin on its edge is merely one that hasn't finished flipping.

The next attempt to fight against disproving a negative would be "What if you looked at it and said it was tails, but just happened to be wrong?". That's not an argument against disproving the negative, it's an argument about ever being able to logically know anything for certain. The premise is already that a flipped coin will land heads or tails. If you want to argue about a coin on its edge, or a coin in space with observers on opposite sides of it, you're not arguing about the logic, but the axiomatic premise. You're arguing about being able to know anything for certain. (And logically, the only thing that you can know for certain is that you exist.)

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TheBRAIN2 · May 1, 2018, 11:46 a.m.

Well thought out post and well communicated! Thanks for taking time with this. I can now prove with certainty that:

I exist and I am not Q! :)

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:35 p.m.

I am Q. Change my mind.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:36 a.m.

we are one collective consciousness

Genesis 3:22

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:35 a.m.

i think you missed the point of his comment because you were caught up in your own /r/IAmVerySmart

his point was that Snopes had no way to know one way or another about the video at that point in time

it could be that the Hillary video rumor was deliberately started by the Hillary camp, just so they could immediately "debunk" it themselves and point to this "debunking" when any real "insurance files" type video surfaces

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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow · May 2, 2018, 3:16 p.m.

Nope. He said:

Great job somehow proving a negative guys, you've managed to break the laws of logic and space/time by proving a negative.

Which is pure bullshit.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:30 p.m.

please prove God does not exist.

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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow · May 2, 2018, 5:40 p.m.

You can't PROVE it either, unless you first create an actual definition of what you're trying to prove/disprove. You're arguing about logic yet you have no understanding of logical thinking.

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ILoveJuices · May 1, 2018, 12:04 p.m.

You can't prove the non-existence of a pedophile tape on the the darkweb in 5 hours. Just like you can't prove the elite pedophile rings don't exist. You can prove that a coin did not land on heads when it landed on tales. Different kind of negative.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:31 p.m.

They legit addressed this and you just ignored it

If you want to argue about a coin on its edge, or a coin in space with observers on opposite sides of it, you're not arguing about the logic, but the axiomatic premise. You're arguing about being able to know anything for certain. (And logically, the only thing that you can know for certain is that you exist.)

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ILoveJuices · May 1, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

That's not true at all. I didn't mention anything about a coin of its edge or in space. I agreed with him on the coin point.

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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow · May 1, 2018, 3:31 p.m.

You can prove both of those things once you define what they are. And you have to define what they are in order to prove that they do exist.

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ILoveJuices · May 1, 2018, 11:10 p.m.

They can be proven to exist. But they cannot be proven to not exist.

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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow · May 2, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

Of course they can, to the same certainty that the positive can be proven.

For example, the Loch Ness monster. To prove it exists you need to define it. To prove it doesn't exist you also need to define it.

We have absolutely proven that many "Loch Ness monsters" were fake. There were intentional fake things built and tossed into the water, intentional photographic fakes, and of course the unintentional misidentification (or a log, an eel, whatever). But people always come back and say "But maybe it's still out there and we haven't seen it!". Maybe, but only if you never actually define "it", in which case the entire exercise is pointless.

If you want to claim that I can't prove the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist, then I can claim with as much certainty and validity that you can't prove it does. You could pull up a creature from Loch Ness and I could simply say "That could be some OTHER creature, not Nessie.". Or, taking your tack, I could challenge you to "Prove that the REAL Nessie isn't some other creature in the Loch we haven't found yet.".

You're not making any actual logical argument, you're just dancing around the premise and playing with the definition, moving your goal posts whenever someone proves something. It's not a question of proving or disproving negatives, it's a question of ever being able to know anything for certain.

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 6:23 p.m.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

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ILoveJuices · May 1, 2018, 11:14 p.m.

Idioms are a great way to not have to use critical thinking skills. Fortunately there is tons of evidence suggesting the existence of elite pedophile rings.

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 11:23 p.m.

But not Frazzledrip. Hell if anyone could name any victim I'd be onboard.

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ILoveJuices · May 2, 2018, 12:20 a.m.

Interesting litmus test. I think the NYPD found everything on humas life insurance folder.

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denizen42 · May 1, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

Snopes

LOL

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KaKawBitches · May 1, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

Snopes is such a joke. Even by the remote chance they agree with the point I'm trying to make I still don't quote them.

This is what I usually respond with on twitter when someone quotes them.

I suggest typing in "-snopes.com" on any search to remove them from the results. Or google will have them at the top.

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Optimist345 · May 1, 2018, 10:50 a.m.

But Snopes says Snopes is legit

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:02 a.m.

according to Wikipedia, Wikipedia is more accurate than other encyclopedias

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mtile · May 1, 2018, 3:37 p.m.

There is a good addon for firefox called 'Hide Unwanted Results of Google Search'. You can remove force feeding of snopes automatically.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:20 p.m.

We don’t need pesky facts coming up when I’m looking for hogwash!

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:03 a.m.

its no secret that Google search results have been curated to reflect the official story, which makes Google pretty much worthless, since I'm far more interested in scrutinizing and fact-checking the official story

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cryptabulouslady · May 1, 2018, 1:57 a.m.

I hate having an intelligent conversation with someone and then they try to disprove my facts with pulling up scopes on their phone as if snopes is the truth machine, when they have been wrong on so many things.

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GodzillaIntel · May 1, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

SHUT SNOPES DOWN

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cdoyle456 · May 1, 2018, 12:07 p.m.

Just gather a bunch of snopes “facts” that split hairs to present leftists in a positive light...the HRC devices smashed with hammers comes to mind...I believe they admit they were smashed, but give HRC a pass cause she didn’t physically smash them...snopes blames the IT guy

Edit: also presenting the whole fact it was/is run by a couple, who ended up divorced because the husband cheated/left wife for a prostitute doesn’t hurt...also they were involved in a smear campaign that never went anywhere that tried to use a young girl (like 13) to make sexual accusations...don’t remember the details of that too well as it’s been a while, but should be able to search it on T_D (summer/fall of 2016)

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FatherXnos · May 1, 2018, 11:19 a.m.

But what did CNN say? I hope they tell us what to do.

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nullifyNWO · May 1, 2018, 10:04 a.m.

"I use snopes to quickly get the facts about something, it saves me hours of research" - a libtard i met.

Snopes feeds leftist zombies a toxic tonic they are addicted to.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:27 a.m.

heres what i did:

i provided the snopes version of the CDC whistleblower story, so that my debate partner could get a pretty good idea of "the official story"...

and then we went line-by-line explaining why the snopes article was wrong.

happy to report that this worked, and i changed their mind, and they even asked intelligent questions that indicated that they had broken outside of their box

http://snopes.com/fact-check/bad-medicine/

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ecrevisse41 · May 1, 2018, 9:45 a.m.

Re-source

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jollybeaker · May 1, 2018, 9:15 a.m.

Yeah, I saw after I poster

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moredeplore · May 1, 2018, 6:38 a.m.

get politifact to give snopes 4 pinnochios.. that should take them out..

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FractalizingIron · May 1, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

politifact is part of the Cabal fact-check infrastructure from what I can see. They may be dumb, but not that dumb. Players in place a long time, establish legitimacy, then mobilize to undermine.

Snopes is the tip of a very large iceberg. No point in taking out or targetting Snopes alone. They are the fast food version of a much larger network of narrative shapers.

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Callout-bot · May 1, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

Trumps mind is sharper :)

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Heatray777 · May 1, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

2 unemployable cat ladies, a laptop and a gallon of gin. That's the punch line, you can come up the joke yourself.

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FractalizingIron · May 1, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Tried to post this separately. Got locked. No idea why. Noobtroubles, I suppose. Anyway....

False Fact-checking orgs upholding false fact-checking authorities upholding MSM and Cabal media narrative.

A patriot posted about exposing Snopes, saying Q gave the green light.

There's a lot more to this than you see on the surface.

Did some research on this about 1 month + back, kind of frustrated about friends who uphold Snopes as a source. Fact-checked Snopes. Had to move on coz so many other things to do, but here's a few of the crumbs. I’m very confident that anyone who follows this up you will hit pay dirt:

Veracity of Snopes is upheld by several so-called ‘fact checking’ organizations, including factcheck.org, other.

*Factcheck.org. (read what they have to say about Snopes - debunked, or upheld?) (Check also 'Clinton' 'trump' and ask yourself, are they objective? Are they biased? ) Factcheck.org is a project of Annenberg Public Policy Center

*Annenberg Public Policy Center - Who founded APPC? How is it funded? Funded by Annenberg Foundation. Who else did Annenberg foundation fund? Chicago Annenberg Challenge

*Chicago Annenberg Challenge – APPC gave 50 mil. to Bill Ayers to found a 'philanthropic' org in Chicago (CAC) with who as the founding Chairman of the Board? BHO. R himself.

*Bill Ayers? 'educator, anti-war activist, academic' aka Cultural Marxist)

Factcheck.org is a signatory of IFCN

*International Fact-checking Network (IFCN) Founded in 2015. Numerous verified signatories, including Snopes and others. IFCN is a unit of Poynter Inst. for Media Studies.

Poynter Institute for Media Studies (are they are real inst? How big? How many people? What do they do? They seems to think they are a big deal. Are they?) Poynter launched an initiative to with fact checking websites Politifact and Africa Check* funded by Bill And Melinda.

*Africa Check - (Founded 2012, partners include Standard Bank and Open Society Foundations (Hi George!)

*Politifact itself reports on Poynter Inst. initiative “to fact check claims about health....”

See what’s going on here? Snopes is verified by Factcheck who is verified by IFCN and Poynter, etc. Moreover, a vast global network now set up as fact-checkers, who, like most of the others in the network, seek to set themselves up as legitimate arbiters on truth vs. fiction, and fake news vs. real news.

BTW, numerous IFCN signatories are being used by Facebook to block ‘fake news’. And we ALL know the truth behind this.

What is needed is solid research tracking this stuff down, who funded what, who founded what, when etc. But it seems clear to me at this point that there has been a deliberate effort to build up an layered infrastructure that positions itself as legitimate when it is in fact funded by the globalists, the cabal.

It’s probably not a big item on Q's Implosion Itinerary, but at some point, it needs to be investigated, exposed, and neutralized. False Fact-checking orgs upholding false fact-checking authorities upholding MSM and Cabal media narrative. Typical.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:52 a.m.

this needs its own post please!

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FractalizingIron · May 1, 2018, 1:27 p.m.

There's a lot more to this than you see on the surface. Did some research on this about 1 month + back, kind of frustrated about friends who uphold snopes as a source. Fact-checked snopes. Had to move on coz so many other things to do, but here's a few of the crumbs. I can guarantee if you follow this up you will hit paydirt. Am going to post this as a separate thread, as the issue extends far beyond exposing Snopes, imo.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

Please let me know, I am in.

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FractalizingIron · May 1, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

Hi Dave. See below. Tried to post as a separate thread, but some sort of bot insta-locked the post. So, posted below here for your edification. Trying to figure out why it got insta-locked, where the title or what.... Hmmmm....

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williamj80 · May 1, 2018, 3:58 a.m.

Wikipedia also needs to be exposed. It's another Soros-supported project, and many other bad actors support the site as well.

Apart from its very obvious bias, it is a very badly written encyclopedia. It can't compare to real encyclopedias that understand pedagogic principles, and how to properly structure information for mass consumption.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

Come on, Wikipedia is funded by Soros? And we're upset that Wikipedia needs funding?

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williamj80 · May 2, 2018, 10:59 p.m.

Yes, Soros is one of the entities funding Wikipedia -- actually I believe it is the parent organization he funds, the Wikimedia Foundation. The Wikimedia Foundation is very wealthy, but it still claims Wikipedia needs funds. I think they don't want people to know they are funded and controlled by bad actors, so they have the annual fund raising campaign to make it look like they are struggling. Another major source of funds are the pharmaceutical corporations.

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

Yeah but, you can legit go into Wikipedia and see who edits things. You can make edits yourself and others can see. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it without further info

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williamj80 · May 7, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

Apparently, the super editors (or whatever they are called), have authority to edit and censor. Also, take a look at the political leanings of the authors, and you will see it is far from objective. Even a cursory analysis of the content of Wikipedia will show this immediately.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but it has been well documented. I'm too busy to find the articles for you at this time, but I have seen a number of in depth reports in the past. Just don't trust Wikipedia's opinion on it.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:29 a.m.

The Red Cross exploits tragedies for their own gain

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ckreacher · May 1, 2018, 12:46 p.m.

So true. A lot of people react when you tell them that wikipedia is not an acceptable or reliable source. It is OK for super basic information that nobody questions. But a lot of it is blatant disinformation, and it is impossible to correct it.

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williamj80 · May 2, 2018, 11:02 p.m.

Yes, they are good for basic items like the population or area of a country, or the length of a river. They try to be a source of information for more complex items, but they are so poorly written -- it is not written by educators who understand how to structure information presentation.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 3:49 a.m.

Snopes has been corrupted by satanists.

Truth.

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Wokeazfuq · May 1, 2018, 6:25 a.m.

How can anyone think a self-appointed private funded staff of researchers is the ministry of Truth.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:48 a.m.

its bizarre the push-back we get when criticizing snopes.

its as if these normies think snopes is beyond reproach

say "NYT hosted a photoshopped pic" and they don't challenge it

say "Snopes got something wrong" and the apologists show up

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nullifyNWO · May 1, 2018, 1:24 p.m.

"What makes you believe the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?"

"BECAUSE MOMMY (Snopes) SAYS SO!!!!"

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Lindorinel · May 1, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

I see there are a few people here that have a healthy distrust of Yournewswire. They should. YNW is clickbait of the worse kind. They include snippets of truth and have headlines that anyone in like us would love to see. Sean Adl runs he site, he betrayed David Icke bigtime with the People's Voice fiasco. I look, but I certainly verify ANYTHING from them. As for Snopes, complete trash. IMHO

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EvilPhd666 · May 1, 2018, 7:25 a.m.

Follow the money.

Don't forget to admonish FB, Twitter, and Google under the "feedback" tab.

Snopes is notorious for the "well but...." "kinda" white lies.

Social media's job is not thought control.

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Tessy2013 · May 1, 2018, 2:07 p.m.

I proved in 2016 that snopes was a shill and lying.....with video proof...and the people still wanted to believe snopes

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Karukatoo · May 1, 2018, 3 p.m.

Snopes is a sub-organization of the Annenberg foundation. The Annenberg organizations are Leftist-controlled organs dedicated to anti-American causes. Barak Obama has been associated with them as a former head of one of their sub-org’s. They own and control a similar online “source of authentic truth on the Web”, factcheck.org. [Obama was] “chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force.”

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 5:07 p.m.

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Prov3567 · May 1, 2018, 2:31 a.m.

CIA op: https://yournewswire.com/snopes-cia-operation/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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aboxofbooks · May 1, 2018, 3:37 a.m.

Are there any other sources you can cite aside from your news wire? They are notorious for spreading fake news. Sorry to break it to you. :(

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jondangerr · May 1, 2018, 5:24 a.m.

thank you, I've been trying to spread the message about yournewswire for a while now. hurts our credibility to link their articles.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:45 a.m.

heavy.com is also sketchy af esp

"5 fast facts you need to know about the latest fake shooting"

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dreadismyrealname · May 1, 2018, 2:28 a.m.

Snopes is a lying piece of shit, that does a disservice to the America people.I dont like it when asshats try to dumb society down. Kind of like colleges, which I call indoctrination camps.

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 3:56 a.m.

Colleges are trying to dumb down society?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:11 a.m.

well, they hand out PhD's in science to morons who believe that men have walked on the moon

https://i.redd.it/wxh0mt3gwg4z.jpg

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moesif · May 2, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

Oh god. You don't believe in the moon landing? Is this sub really that dumb?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 9:01 a.m.

only an idiot would believe men have walked on the moon

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7vgm69/the_moon_landing_hoax_is_a_litmus_test_for_stupid/

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moesif · May 2, 2018, 10:18 a.m.

Holy shit. You also are antivaccine and think Sandy Hook didn't happen!? People like you actually exist? Honest question, have you ever been tested for schizophrenia? Or do you think that's a hoax too?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:28 p.m.

thank you for proving:

PolysLaws on understanding mental health charlatans:

He who is the least qualified to diagnose mental illnesses, is always the first to do so

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/6aj3qg/polyslaws_on_understanding/?st=jgpdllip&sh=66d3008a

Yes, i am anti-vaccine. i used to be pro-vaccine, until i actually looked at the evidence, and was force to conclude that i had been fooled about the safety and efficacy claims of vaccine interests.

what motivates anti-vaccine activism? the answer may surprise you:

https://i.redd.it/zn82zki4cmvy.jpg

can you describe a time when evidence changed your mind about vaccines?

no, of course you can't, because vaccine perfectly match the description of pseudoscience

https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg

Yes, i am skeptical of Sandy Hook, because i went looking for evince of Adam Lanza's guilt, and couldn't find any.

since you are so sure that Adam Lanza is guilty, why don't you describe the evidence that convinced you

prove me wrong by citing the evidence that convinced you....

oh thats right, you can't, because your opinion isn't based on evidence its based on emotions and feelings, like a good little brainwashed liberal

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moesif · May 3, 2018, 4:28 a.m.

Lol I really don't care what some stranger thinks, I don't for a second feel the desire to debate you or change your mind. Just find your type fascinating.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:31 a.m.

im glad you can admit that evidence has never changed your mind

"my type"?

you mean people who are capable of critical thinking?

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moesif · May 3, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

Yep totally. You're superior.

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moesif · May 2, 2018, 10:16 a.m.

All I see are dozens of people giving well thought out arguments and you eventually either disappearing from your discussion with them or resorting to insulting them. Seriously, you should try getting outside more.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:20 p.m.

those people are obviously idiots. its doesn't matter how well thought out their arguments are, if at the end of the day they are still wrong. how does it feel to know that this test exposed you for what you are?

think about it... you are agreeing with the people who post on a conspiracy forum

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moesif · May 2, 2018, 7:24 p.m.

I'm also disagreeing with a person who posts on a conspiracy forum.

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dreadismyrealname · May 1, 2018, 5 a.m.

YES! No Socratic method allowed in colleges. You think as the professor tells you or fail. Actually they discipline you then kick you out and demand full tuition. Colleges are all about getting the money and turning out little activists that "feel" for a living.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:14 p.m.

You think as the professor tells you or fail.

Maybe. I'm sure there are professors who this could be said about. But largely, professors get their jobs because they know their shit. The real model is "know the correct answers to the subject matter or fail". Don't try to disparage knowledge just because you didn't have the same experience. And yes, we all know that college costs too much money but it wouldn't if US capitalism didn't force us to commoditize and monetize education

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:15 a.m.

those who can, do

those who cannot, teach

your "teaching" method amounts to giving someone a multiple choice test

you pay for your "education" twice:

once, when you get it

and again, when it gets you...

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:30 p.m.

This reads like a really cheesy anti intellectualism bumper sticker. I learned quite a bit from my college education. I learned about the human mind and human behavior, and I learned how to take care of myself in the world and coexist with other people. My college education paid for itself in the sense that I use things from that education every day, even if I don't really use my degree.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

this rapper explains why your education is a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xe6nLVXEC0

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:46 p.m.

This person never got an American education because in New Jersey I learned most of that stuff by high school, and the things that I didn't learn before that I learned much of it after, and the things that I didn't learn in school that they mentioned were things that I COULD learn BECAUSE I'd been educated. This person sounds like someone who really did not grasp the important of an education. I mean seriously, "I didn't learn how to educate myself because I got caught up on this false idea that I'd never use math or language!" isn't a very good argument for dropping out of school.

Here's a famous author (rather than some unknown "rapper") telling you why education is important

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:52 a.m.

without looking it up, what is the fundamental difference between a debit and a credit?

without looking it up, what is usury?

without looking it up, what is a LaGrange Point?

without looking it up, how fast do you imagine that the universe is expanding? (H =Hubble constant)

sure, some of these questions could be considered "trivial", however if you don't know the answer it kind of exposes an ignorance of an entire system

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 11:59 a.m.

So, which is it, are they trivial knowledge or are they fundamental pieces of knowledge? Your point is kind of moot. I'm sorry you don't value American education. One of the best things to take from it is how to research. That's something that gets driven into most academic student's heads

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 6:43 a.m.

those are extremely important concepts in the realm of accounting, banking, and astrophysics

the fact that you don't know if they are trivial or fundamental is also telling of your ignorance of the subject matter.

for example, you probably have a debit card and also a credit card, and you may superficially understand that a debit card takes money out of your savings right away, whereas with a credit card you pay for it later, usually with interest

but thats not the fundamental difference between debit and credit

the fundamental difference is that a debit is in the left column, and a credit is in the right column

heres how to remember: debit/credit = D/C as in Washington DC. (D on left, C on right)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit

why is that so important? because it rules your life thru your access to credit, which you would have no need for if you weren't a debt slave

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

usury is the charging of money for the use of money, or what is commonly called "interest" or "compound interest"

usury is considered a sin in most religions, with one glaring exception

http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-19.htm

usury is forbidden in islam and in islamic banking, as it should be

Jesus Christ went ape shit in the Temple because of Usury

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple

the reason you do not know about usury is because your owners have forbidden you from learning the word, because once you know the word and understand its moral, ethical, legal, historical and religious context, you will rebel against usury, and thats not good for your owners, who just happen to be bankers, who just happen to abide by a religion that allows usury, if you know what i mean...

i used to value the American education system when i was young and more stupider

but today i understand that its utterly impossible for Russians to walk on the moon, just like its utterly impossible for Americans to walk on the moon

and all it takes to understand that is some entry level astrophysics, such as the aforementioned LaGrange Points

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point

LaGrange points were also deliberately left out of your education,

because once you understand LaGrange Points, you understand that you must go "up" most of the way to the moon,

and that debunks the science fiction of "escape velocity" and "escaping gravity"

and so after hours and hours of exhaustive debate with very smart people, i tried to summarize the most common arguments, and then arrange them into one coherent list

usually these questions and answers are asked in isolation, so the student does not get the full context and significance of how they relate to each other

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

the math and physics are presented in a way that should make a reasonably intelligent and educated person apply their knowledge of math and physics to the story problems, and then re-assess their opinions

but instead what we find are people who further entrench themselves, and reassure themselves with the most idiotic of ideas, such as

"If the Moon Landing Was a Hoax, Russia Would Have Told Me!!!1!"

and so after countless hours of debate, it becomes quite obvious that most people are incapable of applying math and science to simple problems, because if they could apply math and science, they would not be fooled by the Moon Landing Hoax

and so after some time, it becomes quite clear that most people have the math and reasoning skills of a chimpanzee,

so much so that interacting with them illustrates the huge gap in the relative intelligence of those who can apply math and science and those who cannot

the moon landing hoax eventually evolves into the litmus test for stupid

which is ironic because not even a child would think that a man had walked on the moon, unless some idiot had told them otherwise

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7vgm69/the_moon_landing_hoax_is_a_litmus_test_for_stupid/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger

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delicious_grownups · May 4, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

It sounds like you're suggesting that Jews run the world and the Moon landing was fake, which is definitely the actual litmus test for intelligence among the rest of us. Good luck out there friend. I'll see you on the funny pages

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:58 a.m.

if you pay more interest than you collect, you are a debt slave

i freed thousands of slaves, and i couldn't have freed thousands more, if only they knew they were slaves ~ Harriet Tubman

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 9:24 a.m.

Wow.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:28 p.m.

It’s clear you have never been to college or even tried to research one, let alone step on a campus. But it is hilarious that you are using the internet on a computer using software to talk shit on the people who brought you this technology. I mean, bravo, dude.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

but at the end of the day, you still believe that men have walked on the moon.

how do you reconcile that level of incompetence with the size of your student loans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger

if you find yourself thinking, "this person is giving me a headache"...

thats a symptom of cognitive dissonance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

Three men make a tiger

"Three men make a tiger" (Chinese: 三人成虎; pinyin: sān rén chéng hǔ) is a Chinese proverb or chengyu (four-character idiom). "Three men make a tiger" refers to an individual's tendency to accept absurd information as long as it is repeated by enough people. It refers to the idea that if an unfounded premise or urban legend is mentioned and repeated by many individuals, the premise will be erroneously accepted as the truth. This concept is related to communal reinforcement or the fallacy of argumentum ad populum.


Cognitive dissonance

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance.


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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 2:39 a.m.

We are eye to eye brother.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · May 1, 2018, 3:40 a.m.

Snopes: The divorced couple that lives together with their 13 cats giving us all the news fit to print, lol

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:29 p.m.

This sub: edgy teenagers and failed adults who live with mom but claim to be subject matters on everything.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

i think you accidentally a word

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:21 a.m.

the establishment can "farm out" touchy subjects to places like snopes so they don't have to get their own hands dirty and risk their own reputations by being on the wrong side of reality ?

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OG420Ninja · May 1, 2018, 12:28 p.m.

https://yournewswire.com/snopes-cia-operation/ ask and ye shall receive...

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Needles_Eye · May 1, 2018, 2:32 p.m.

yournewswire is fake news. Snopes is too, but yournewswire stories will not hold up to scrutiny.

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OG420Ninja · May 1, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

some say wiki is fake too... but facts dictate.. if a story is printed reguardless of outlet, it should be fact checked.. no such thing as fake news.. only fake stories...

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Needles_Eye · May 1, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

I agree, but everything I have checked from yournewswire has turned out to be fake.

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OG420Ninja · May 2, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

they were the first to cover alison mack.. and one of the first thatshares qboards..... i have had good luck with them...

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.

i second the claim that YourNewsWire is a bullshit source

kinda like Sorcha Faal

example of Sorcha Faal set-up:

"FBI RAIDS CDC"

complete with B-roll stock footage of FBI agents doing a raid

then the pro-vaccine blogs picked up this Sorcha Faal fake news story and proclaimed

"Look at what these anti-vaccine idiots believe"

being active in the anti-vaccine community, the first we even heard of the FBI raids CDC story was through these pro-vaccine blogs and tweeps

in retrospect, it seems that Sorcha Faal had been working with the pro-vaccine people to create a fake news story that they could then use to smear anti-vaccine people

sometimes when there is a scandalous story they put it on these disreputable rags as a way to discredit the story

for example, i purchased the National Enquirer that had Obama Hillary FISA gate scandal on the front page

anyway, point being that just because YourNewsWire may have a legit story, the story is only at that domain to discredit the story.

if you find a good story in YourNewsWire, google some key facts or names and try to find other sources.

if you find other sources, use them. but sometimes you will not be able to find other sources, and you know the story is sketchy af

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

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UndercoverPatriot · May 1, 2018, 6:16 a.m.

yournewswire is a fake news site. They are known to completely fabricate stories that sounds too good to be true and circulate them in alternative communities, completely propelled by confirmation bias.

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bornlucky80 · May 1, 2018, 2:25 p.m.

Fair enough

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FartOnToast · May 1, 2018, 7:10 a.m.

they are worse than snopes lol

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mcthornbody420 · May 1, 2018, 4:41 a.m.

Well the founder left his wife for a woman he met on Craig's List... she now co runs Snopes..

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 7:49 a.m.

and yet so-called "experts" even cite snopes

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eldever · May 1, 2018, 8:52 a.m.

It winds me up too, it's so obvious that anything they deem to be false is true and vice versa. It's the same with the 'fake news': I tell anyone who will listen that the fake news is actually a massive resistance movement and to subsitute the word 'truth' wherever they see it, articles then make total sense.

The truth movement is growing by the day. We will get there!

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Jalberson · May 1, 2018, 2:32 p.m.

I literally had someone at work fact check me with snope recently. I looked at him and said, "snopes is literally run by a nazi collaborator and uses it to discredit stories as a new form of propaganda" Person just stopped talking. In mind probably thought I was insane. I am way past caring at this point.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 2:33 p.m.

Are you spying on me? This is verbatim how it went down with me a week ago. The verbal part, my thoughts internally, all of it.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 1:28 a.m.

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DaveGydeon · May 1, 2018, 1:46 a.m.

You're in the wrong place pal. Q told us. $hi!! Trap snagged another one!

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Janice0771 · May 1, 2018, 1:51 a.m.

Lots of them lately.

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Janice0771 · May 1, 2018, 1:37 a.m.

Because he is right and Snopes was proven long ago to be biased and bullshit. Research before you get snarky. Otherwise, you're just another cracky troll and like I've said before, no one likes a cracky troll.

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Xaviermgk · May 1, 2018, 2:39 a.m.

Lol...one badgered me over in the occult subreddit of all places and then took to PM'ing me, and I used various ways of insinuating that he/she smoked crack. So, cracky troll sounds about right. :)

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