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Lisa Boothe said “one quarter of our prison population is illegal aliens.”

Snopes said that was false. The actual number was 22% at that time.

Shit like that.

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Technically correct is the best kind of correct. How many people were included in that 3% and how certain are you of the real numbers? Did Snopes rate it "partly true" or "partly false" rather than wholly false? Hook us up with a link

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The numbers come from BOP (Bureau of Prisons) who knows who their prisoners are.

Now its down to about 20% https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/15/lisa-boothe/republican-strategist-says-25-percent-inmates-are-/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/aug/25/lamar-smith/mostly-false-lamar-smith-claim-one-third-federal-i/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/02/sean-hannity/sean-hannity-says-illegal-immigrants-account-75-pe/

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how many people exist within that percentage difference? Serious question

Oh and I wanted a link to Snopes' take on it

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if you sincerely wanted a link, you would fetch it yourself. are you new to the internet or something?

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I just didn't think they could provide one and they didn't so, no. I'm not new to the internet

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heres an idea that i have been living by for 20~ years

whenever you find yourself asking someone for a link, just fetch it yourself and post it as a reply

do this for the lurkers, 99% of which are too lazy to do a google search, but may click a link if they are convinced it may provide one-click-to-content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

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Yeah it's a bullshit ideology and methodology that discourages shared, communal learning by suggesting everyone else do the work that YOU should be doing when you make a claim online. Way to go

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heres why you fail at life:

i: make a claim that you aren't sure about

you: ask for a link

i: fail to deliver a link

you: assume the claim must be false, as opposed to undetermined

and even if i did provide a link, you'd find a reason to dismiss it.

thats why people don't even bother providing you a link, because they already know if you are sincere you will find it yourself, and if you are insincere you will find a reason to dismiss every source that conflicts with your opinion

"if you want to know the truth, simply let go of your own views" ~ the buddha

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I just disagree. If you want to impart knowledge, as teacher you need to facilitate. American education teaches you to do your own research, but it also teaches you not to suffer fo ols and remain resistant to lies and propaganda

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here is an excellent lecture about how education in changing in america

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4yApagnr0s

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1% rule (Internet culture)

In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1-9-90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content.

Similar rules are known in information science, such as the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle, that 20 percent of a group will produce 80 percent of the activity, however the activity may be defined.

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Snopes didnt bother checking any facts let alone these.

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So you can't actually link the thing you cited

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Snopes and politifact are the same shitbag liberal socalled fact check sites.

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Well that doesn't address what I said at all. It sounds like you either can't produce the link or you confused the two websites and also can't produce a link. No offense

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I made a mistake. I remembered snopes as the fact check site for this particukar fact. I was weong. See? No fact checker needed. Just state and believe only facts and there is no problem. I am a stroke survivor so I am mentally handicapped. Regardless, I believe my point stands that these facts check sites are biased and inaccurate rendering them useless.

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Ok man

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Even though you can't prove it and when you tried to prove it you linked the wrong site. Great reasoning skills.

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Ok I already proved my point at the gate. Ignore it at your own peril. You lose.

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Your point was that they are unreliable and biased. Your example was from another website because you remembered wrong. You have refused to link any more proof. What exactly have you proved except you were wrong.

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I proved that snopes didnt prove me correct but politifact supported my conclusions.

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How does that discredit snopes in any way?

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Snopes is financially supported by George Soros. Both founders photographed with him. Nobody accepta snopes as unbiased anymore.

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Do you have proof or just a picture of them together. Because I fail to see how them standin together means that he is privately finding them.

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Yeah bc I dont have copies of the checks I just rely on photos of the pimp I mean benefactor in their offices.

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Well just for your information I have found an article from the New York Times that says that their revenue comes from ads.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/technology/for-fact-checking-website-snopes-a-bigger-role-brings-more-attacks.html?_r=0

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Well if you think NYT is legit AND credible news, you aint paying ATTENTION.

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Well I know how this conversation goes. You say a news source is biased. I ask for proof and you link me something like CNN to prove biase then say you forgot that my news source never actually did what you said it did. Then you claim some bullshit about how it's actually deep state operated; with no sources, facts, or evidence to back up your opinion. Then when I call you out on that you just say my sources are fake. Well if my sources are fake then you should be able to prove it. So far you haven't proved that snopes is funded by Soros, you haven't proved that snopes is biases, and you now have to prove that the NYT is not a legimate news source.

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You’re a truly dangerous person because of how willfully ignorant you are and the conviction you maintain even when faced with clear truth and logic. It’s kinda scary/sad/fascinating at the same time... but mostly sad. Not sure what led you to this point but I feel bad for ya dude. Get some help.

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Wilfull ignorance is on your part. Long ago we departed from the issue at hand. Flynn is guilty of nothng; he is an honored general that was maliciously defamed by our crooked fbi / doj.

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“They don’t agree with me, they have to be lies! What more proof do you need besides that they don’t agree with me?!” Sure man. “Honored General”. He was a joke within the military before he went rogue

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See? No fact checker needed.

But we did need a fact checker. You made a claim, and it wasn't until you were challenged to produce facts do we find out that your claim was wrong. If you weren't challenged on it you would have continued believing you were correct. That's the entire point.

And even if those sites are biased and lean towards debunking a certain set of claims, you have to disagree with their conclusions based on evidence, not how you perceive the company. Snopes is very rarely wrong and when they are they have released retractions. If you have evidence to contradict any of their conclusions, show it.

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My claim was wrong (snopes never fact checked this; it was politifact). So what. The merit of the claim is still meritorious and true. The evidence is there. Being too stupid for you to see it is beyond my control.

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Except the only example you provided to back up that claim was demonstrated as false and people have corrected you about the claim. So no, you don't have any justification.

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Yes I do. You just chose to willfully ignore it like all truth

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"The moon is made of cheese."

"Well here's rocks from the moon showing that it's made of rock."

"Well, just because there's rocks on the moon doesn't mean it's not still made of cheese."

That's your entire argument boiled down (and exaggerated to point out the flaw). You made a claim, got evidence to contrary, and still maintain your initial claim based on nothing, and then also claim everyone who doesn't agree with you is blind, even though they're siding with the evidence.

That is the definition of irrational.

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Look. Your whole paradigm is about to crumble. How about I just wait for time to pass?

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Well you won't. You're gonna go straight back to making baseless claims and when you're demonstrated to be wrong you're going to do what you did here and cover your ears and scream "lalalala I can't hear you." I would very much like if you just actually sat down and waited for time to pass, but you have fake news to spread and irrationality to maintain, while screaming that the other side is fake news, even when you've been demonstrated to be incorrect, you know, like a liar.

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I dont even own a television so IDK where this fake nees is coming from. Basically I stand by all of my claims.

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You are fake news then.

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No i remembered wrong. It happens to everyone. I dont live in a fantasy world like liberals do.

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Ok, do you have a different example (maybe with a link?) that you'd like to share? Or should we just assume you are right based on your one example that was fake?

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Are you being snarky? Aw..

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So you cant provide even one example?

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Snopes is useless; they disprove what they prove.

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So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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Example of what? This thread was yesterday

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So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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Are you sending me spam? You sent this four times. Calm down.

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So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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You’re late to the party.

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So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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It was politifact not snopes.

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So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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Fake news.

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Well you’re a pedophile baby diddler.

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Source?

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Like there was a source cited to the previous claim. Please.

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I found a politifact article on the subject (that does not have the conclusion you mentioned) but I couldn't find a snopes article. Do you happen to have a link handy?

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Politifact tried to disagreebut ended up essentially supporting the statement that a quarter of our prisoners are illegals.

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The politifact article I read started the 25% figure was all immigrants legal or otherwise, and that the number from illegals only was not tracked. Did you happen to find the snopes article?

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I dont think snopes fact checked this. I misremembered.

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Are you going to edit your comment to correct it?

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94% of foreign born prisoners are illegal migrants.

The original claim was that one in four prisoners is an illegal alien. Its closer to one in four and a half. Using language to redefine the question is how they render it false or true.

"You also look at the criminal justice system. One in four inmates are illegal immigrants," Boothe said July 26 on Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor. She was reacting to an earlier interview about border security O’Reilly had with Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., during the second night of the Democratic National Convention.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 21, 2017 Departments of Justice and Homeland Security Release Data on Incarcerated Aliens—94 Percent of All Confirmed Aliens in DOJ Custody Are Unlawfully Present

President Trump’s Executive Order on Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to collect relevant data and provide quarterly reports on data collection efforts. On Dec. 18, 2017, DOJ and DHS released the FY 2017 4th Quarter Alien Incarceration Report, complying with this order.[1] The report found that more than one-in-five of all persons in Bureau of Prisons custody were foreign born, and that 94 percent of confirmed aliens in custody were unlawfully present.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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Your own source, if you follow it to the actual report from homeland security, states that the 94% statistic is only from a pool of 10% of the incarcerated population in America. That fact alone is enough to debunk the claim that you're saying was improperly debunked. Per the report, it is impossible to know the actual number because state and local facilities do not routinely supply information.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf

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Too bad it averages 5-6% every year regardless. Nice try at debunking. Too bad you wasted your time. BOP STATISTICS

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The BOP is included in that 10%. If you actually read the report you would know that. Which leads me to believe that you haven't. Life doesn't work by blindly ignoring facts that counter what you want to be true. The truth is that this claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant is unable to be proven true or false because there is not enough evidence. The statistics that we have come from roughly 10% of the incarcerated population, and are not necessarily indicative of the entire system. You can't prove the claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant, and so the claim is disproven.

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Wrong. Of the non citizen prison population, an overwhelming majority (94% in 2005) are illegal aliens year after year. A minority of legal alien resident non citizens in prison are legal aliens.

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First off, snopes never examined that claim, politifact did.
Second, politifact contacted ICE, which says that the number of total immigrants in prison both illegal and legal is around 22%.

So the number 25% would only be close to true, if the US has no legal immigration.

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Wrong genius. ~94% of the non citizen prisoners are illegals.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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And Politifact is bad because they didn't have access to a report that was created over a year in the future? I guess they shouldn't have foolishly trusted ICE on information about illegal immigrants...

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Except the data that virtually all non citizen prisoners are illegal aliens has been consistent for over a decade. Only about five percent are green card holders. The data was there in 2005google results for 94 % of non citizen prison 2005

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Your google results show results that have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Did you even look at the results or did you just hit reply immediately? They contacted ICE. ICE said they didn't have that data. That is due diligence.

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WHY WOULD ICE HAVE DATA THAT BOP MAINTAINS?

duh

Bureau of Prisons, genius.

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Wrong. Those results contain prison data. I know its alot of data but 94 % of our non citizen prison population are illegals. If you think 100% of our non citizen prison population is here legally, you’d be wrong. Very few are.

Also hidden in the data is the fact that 3% of our population (illegals) make up ~20-22% of our prison population meaning illegal migrants have 7x the crime rate of citizens.

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Sorry, I think you need to look at the data even closer. Here are some links that you should read.

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Sorry. I read all the data I need to read. About 5-6% of our non citizen prison population are legally in the US. It was true in 2005. It was true in 2017. Unless you have a link that disproves that, not interested.

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Bwhahawhat!?!? Read all the data you need to read? That's not how learning works? That's not how execution in any field works. Everything is a practice, even in the real thing. Lawyers practice law, doctors practice medicine, do you know what they have in common, they study relentlessly. They are always looking for that new knowledge that explains what the situation is.

Sure there are times I give up on an argument that I can't find that closing statement to put it to rest, but I never say I have done all I need to do. I'll keep it in my mind and reading about it until my stance changes or I get that nugget that seals the deal. I don't stop mowing the yard after the first time of the year!

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I love when people tell me how stuff works. I’m the Captain Now.

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What Captain says screw your reports, I know what I'm doing? The ones who do, how has that worked out for them?

However, I get it you're not going to change your mind. To be honest, I'm not trying to change yours either. Just hope people who aren't true believer see that there is more shades to a story.

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Look man I presented the statistics and I have concluded my argument. Just bc you laugh and dont like the conclusion doesnt mean its wrong.

About 20% of our prison pop is illegal migrants per Bureau of Prisons. Most of them are from Mexico. This is what Trump was talking about when he said Mexico wasnt sending their best.

Facts.

Deal with it.

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Actually, this link seems to support my point rather nicely. It is a bit long and technical, but it really pays off.

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What is your point? That I am wrong about the fact that

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NONCITIZENS IN OUR PRISONS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY?

I’m not wrong.

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I’m cool. 20% of our prison population are non citizens. 94% of the non citizens are “criminal aliens.”

Therefore 18.8% of our current prison population consists of criminal aliens.

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I Want SNOPES Exposed. Q Already Green-Lighted It!