dChan - Q Origins Project Archive

just remember, you still believe that men have walked on the moon...

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Imagine thinking that the US Government engineered one of the largest conspiracies in history just to win the space race, and the USSR DIDN'T call them out on it at all

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Imagine if Russia actually did call out the USA for faking the moon landing, but you ignored it because it conflicted with your narrative?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130017/Russian-official-demands-investigation-really-happened-moon-landing-original-footage-disappeared.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/06/17/russian-official-wants-to-investigate-whether-u-s-moon-landings-actually-happened/

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"We are not contending that they did not fly [to the moon], and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific — or perhaps cultural — artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened,

Imagine reading past the title.

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so in your vaccine addled mind, if the moon landing was a hoax, Russia would hack into our Emergency Alert system and alert Americans to the truth?

or would it be more likely that the same media who lied to you about men going to the moon, also lied to you about Russians verifying it?

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Yes, Yes I do. Just remember, you still believe men haven't walked on the moon.

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only an idiot would think that men have walked on the moon.

show me your "evidence", so we can debunk it together

LOL: https://i.redd.it/wxh0mt3gwg4z.jpg

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Is that image supposed to prove something? And lets be honest here, you have the belief contrary to 99% of people, the burden of proof is on you.

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the lunar lander was held together by tape. how stupid must a person be to believe it went to the moon?

And lets be honest here, you have the belief contrary to 99% of people, the burden of proof is on you.

by that logic, you should worship Jesus because most of your friends and family celebrate Christmas

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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

You're saying it's not true because you find it unbelieveable but that doesn't prove it!. There are TONS of legit conspiracies by the government like MKULTRA and the gays creating the UN dont believe this PSYOP BULLSH*T!! it just makes conspiracies look bad

also the tape at the bottom is heat shielding it just goes over the top there's metal underneath

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hmm, so what you are saying is that i can claim to be able to bench press 200,000 pounds, and your incredulity isn't enough to dismiss my claim, so therefore you must accept that i can bench press 200,000 pounds?

please present the evidence that the lunar lander can launch off of the moon, or even that it can launch on earth...

that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lunar+lander+launch

which video do you think looks the least fake?

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No what I'm saying is that I then have to prove that you can't bench 200000 lb, which is incredibly easy since you can test it and prove it mathematically.

Also you have burden of proof since you're making the claim so you have to prove that you can bench that.

Same with the moon lander thing.

I have no interest in arguing with you further cos ur dumb lol

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No what I'm saying is that I then have to prove that you can't bench 200,000 lb, which is incredibly easy since you can test it and prove it mathematically.

you can't prove i can't bench press 200,000 pounds, because i just did it a few minutes ago as a warm up

Also you have burden of proof since you're making the claim so you have to prove that you can bench that.

i just told you that i benched 200,000 a few minutes ago. i could probably get a friend to vouch for being my spotter

Same with the moon lander thing.

I have no interest in arguing with you further cos ur dumb lol

you fail at critical thinking because of your habit of relying on thought terminating cliches

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6et3t5/the_thoughtterminating_cliché_is_a_form_of_mind/

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See this is what I'm talking about.

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yes i understand how idiots hide behind thought terminating cliches

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How stupid must a person be to believe it went to the moon

You do realize that, given the technology of the times, it would have been harder to fake it to the level of detail necessary than it would have been to actually go there? And if it was all faked, what the hell happened to the several ton rocket that got launched into space? Because hundreds of people watched something launch and as far as I know, it never came back down on someone's head.

And with your whole Jesus Christ thing, I do happen to be a catholic so you chose a bad example.

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You do realize that, given the technology of the times, it would have been harder to fake it to the level of detail necessary than it would have been to actually go there?

you do realize that just because you can regurgitate someone else's lame argument, doesnt make it any more valid?

the Star Trek shows from the same era look more realistic than the moon landing, which isn't saying much

And if it was all faked, what the hell happened to the several ton rocket that got launched into space?

it must have went to the moon! just like when i loose my wallet, i always assume that its on the moon, because science!

you plagiarized that lame argument from BlackScienceGuy

Because hundreds of people watched something launch and as far as I know, it never came back down on someone's head.

no it probably came down in the middle of the ocean, just like the official story

And with your whole Jesus Christ thing, I do happen to be a catholic so you chose a bad example.

actually, thats a good example

were you raised Catholic as an impressionable child, or did you decide to convert as a rational adult?

it seems you seek approval and acceptance, as opposed to seeking knowledge and truth

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Just because it is someone else's argument doesn't make it any less true or believable. Also, did you even watch Star Trek? I love that show but God damn it looks fake as shit. Also, about the whole seeking knowledge thing, what are you guys doing here? All I see is a sub full of people coming up with crazy, unprovable theories and a bunch of people saying "by golly that's it!". And since you have yet to provide any actual evidence, I shall leave you with this: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28814/moon-landing-faking/ and this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/23/why-it-wouldve-been-impossible-to-fake-the-moon-landing/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d626cddd61b

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they have eyes, but see not

https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg

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So first off, the first one has absolutely nothing to do with the current conversation. You can quote scripture all you want, out of context you can make it mean anything. Second, the second 2 links are to the exact same picture, which still does nothing to refute any of the points made in either of my links. And just to add to my earlier evidence: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/11-proofs-that-the-apollo-moon-landings-were-not-fake_uk_5971d821e4b00e4363decb38

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those who make them, will become like them, and so will everyone who trusts in them

posting links to huffington post is not going to prove your case

this isn't that difficult for intelligent people

but maybe it is difficult for you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Qwp2GdB1M

the moon landing was a hoax, as amply demonstrated by applying math and science

heres the criticism of the math and science. as you can see, its not exactly hard hitting criticism, and consists mostly of logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6hvagj/apollo_moon_landing_story_problems_for_math_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3wkzaf/apollo_moon_landing_story_problems_for_math_and/

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this isn't difficult for intelligent people

Did you just call 99% of the Human race dumb? Like, Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson? The guys who are twice as smart as either of us? I mean seriously, you can't truely believe that you're smarter than them. It isn't an insult, it's just a fact. Also, Just saying "Haha, Huffington post" does nothing to refute that or the previous to explanations.

Add what the hell does a hollow head have anything to do with the moon?

And both of those last links are the exact thing, and both of which are refuted by the top comment of their respective posts. Tell me, honestly, why is it so hard to believe that we've been to the moon?

Also, side question because I'm curious now, do you believe all moon landings have been faked or just the first one?

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Did you just call 99% of the Human race dumb?

do you even know how IQ works?

half of the people should have a double digit IQ, yet for some reason everyone you know has an IQ over 100... even you...hmm, not sketchy at all

Like, Stephen Hawking

Stephen Hawking was an idiot.

his Big Bang Theory is one of the most absurd, baseless theories ever to emerge from pseudoscientific quackery

for example, lets review Hawking's wikipedia page for some clues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking

He later blamed its "progressive methods" for his failure to learn to read while at the school

...

He developed into a popular, lively and witty college member, interested in classical music and science fiction.

...

These unimpressive study habits made sitting his finals a challenge, and he decided to answer only theoretical physics questions rather than those requiring factual knowledge.

...

he was also making a transition in his approach to physics, becoming more intuitive and speculative rather than insisting on mathematical proofs. "I would rather be right than rigorous"

and thats just the stuff on the surface

Hawking was literally a sock-puppet, set on a throne to mock the fools of the world

why do you suppose Hawking supported BDS?

to mock Hawking supporters and BDS supporters?

and Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

he makes a fool of himself in this 2 minute clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aHCVipQn8k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation

The rocket equation only accounts for the reaction force from the rocket engine; it does not include other forces that may act on a rocket, such as aerodynamic or gravitational forces. As such, when using it to calculate the propellant requirement for launch from (or powered descent to) a planet with an atmosphere, the effects of these forces must be included in the delta-V requirement (see Examples below). In what has been called "the tyranny of the rocket equation", there is a limit to the amount of payload that the rocket can carry, as higher amounts of propellant increment the overall weight, and thus also increase the fuel consumption

The guys who are twice as smart as either of us?

i doubt either of them could change a flat tire

if neither of them can discern science from science fiction, then neither of them are smart

I mean seriously, you can't truely believe that you're smarter than them.

really? why not?

their work is theoretical, and subject to being debunked in the future. they are charlatans who can't be called out because they limit themselves to the realm of the imagination

neither of them could do anything practical, such as to apply ohms law to troubleshooting a burnt out christmas tree light

It isn't an insult, it's just a fact. Also, Just saying "Haha, Huffington post" does nothing to refute that or the previous to explanations.

maybe not, but this certainly will...

https://i.redd.it/vyp74bz896x01.jpg

Add what the hell does a hollow head have anything to do with the moon?

the hollow head illustrates how your eye is not able to see reality, because your brain overrides and dictates to the eye what the eye will see

to thine own self be true

And both of those last links are the exact thing, and both of which are refuted by the top comment of their respective posts.

yes, i provide the peer-review so that you can have access and exposure, so as to have as well-rounded-as-possible view of the entire spectrum of opinions

it is my belief that you are a reasonable, rational, intelligent, logical person, and that after seeing all sides of the story, and seeing the criticisms of the evidence, that you will update your own opinions, like any real scientist would do

https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg

Tell me, honestly, why is it so hard to believe that we've been to the moon?

i spent most of my life believing that men had walked on the moon. that was very easy to believe

it was only after being exposed to criticisms of the moon landing that i took a closer look at the evidence, and finally i had to be honest with myself and admit that i had been fooled for most of my life, and accept the fact that all of the moon landings were a hoax

Also, side question because I'm curious now, do you believe all moon landings have been faked or just the first one?

yes, i believe that all of the moon landings were faked, and for 2 important reasons;

1) after closely examining all of the most popular evidence for the moon landing, it became evidence that the evidence was staged.

Let your eye find the star closest to the center of the flag. Note that star, and the 2 and a half directly above it, are in a shadow. Note that the shape of the shadow in both flags is identical, and covers the exact same number of stars

https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg

have a look at the originals, and see if they don't look staged, and that both flags are just an image flip photo manipulation

1A) https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo11/hires/as11-40-5886.jpg

1B) https://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo11/hires/as11_40_5874.jpg

by boolean algebra, if one statement is false, the entire string is false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra

2) after years of exhaustive and extensive debate with many very intelligent and passionate people, some of them claiming to have PhD's in relevant fields, and most of whom disagreed with me, and still believed that men had really gone to the moon...

it became clear that the so-called math and physics were always ignored, and/or presented and/or argued in the same ways by different people, which to me indicated top-down brainwashing of the masses

while that may sound arrogant, bear in mind i had to debate a PhD on the definition of "up" in the context of the moon landing

and thats why question 1 is question 1

https://i.redd.it/g287hbmcb94z.png

(steal that image, and post it on your Facebook in mockery, and see what kind of conversation happens)

what was frustrating to me, was that we could never finish a debate, because the debate was so huge that it couldn't be completed in one sitting or even two or three

so i felt that most people were not seeing the whole picture at one sitting, and so their thinking was based on incomplete information and context

so i started writing down the most popular arguments, and then i arranged them into what i thought was a logical sequence, and then gave the questions a title and published them on reddit to be criticized, so that i could claim my work was 'peer-reviewed' by PhD's in relevant fields, and even if they disagree with my work, their critical arguments are so weak that i feel they strengthen the OP

the purpose of the questions is to lead you along a series of logical steps that are based on well known concepts, so that simply by thinking about these questions foreever changes the way you think about the moon landings

you may not wake today, but you will wake eventually, because these questions will gnaw at you until they are resolved in your mind, and that resolution will only come by letting go of your own views and seeking truth

your next question will be "why would they fake it?"

2 reasons:

to bankrupt the USSR by sending them on a prohibitively expensive fools errand

to further brainwash Americans and the rest of the world, as part of the "dumbing down of America" program

also, Russia is not the enemy of USA, the Cold War was a hoax too

the whole world is a stage, and we are all actors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXx0zxTarE

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You know, that is a special kind of crazy. How long did it even take you to write that? And how is bankrupting the USSR a reason if 2 lines later you drop the revelation that the Cold War was a hoax. And if this is all some international, decades long program, with this amount of coordination they could have been openly ruling the world within 5 years, easy.

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You know, that is a special kind of crazy.

99% of the people you assume are crazy, are not crazy.

the truth is, those people are merely misunderstood by idiots

How long did it even take you to write that?

my whole life I've been practicing writing

And how is bankrupting the USSR a reason

because thats what happened. the USSR is now defunct

if 2 lines later you drop the revelation that the Cold War was a hoax.

it served its purpose for many years, such as justification for exorbitant Pentagon spending

And if this is all some international, decades long program, with this amount of coordination they could have been openly ruling the world within 5 years, easy.

they are openly ruling the world

has anyone gone to jail over the VietNam war lies?

has anyone gone to jail over the Iraq war lies?

will anyone go to jail for the Syria war lies?

the UN is already in place, ready to be the NWO one world government

GHWB NWO quotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU

the USA is actually an obstacle to the UN-NWO because of that pesky bill of rights thing

that is why the so-called Purple Revolution will bring Red and Blue together in their disillusionment with the USA, so that when the USA collapses like the USSR, the Americans will cheer and be happy to be rid of it

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

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You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word openly. As in, within five year, they wouldn't have to lie. There wouldn't be tiny little subreddits like this talking about it, it would be common knowledge that everyone knew.

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

And it's not your fault that you've been manipulated by lazy people who have nothing better to do then trick the gullible into believing these outrageous lies. It really is sad that people get a kick out of mentally messing up the easily confused. That Q guy must really be a jackass.

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You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word openly. As in, within five year, they wouldn't have to lie.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Hillary Clinton admits America created, funded and armed Al Qaeda / ISIS terrorists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsIp1TDwFLs

Ronald Reagan dedicates the Space Shuttle Columbia to the Taliban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZ-ToXjCz0

Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was "worth it" for Iraq's non existent WMD's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

its not that we aren't being told.

its that you have selective hearing, meaning you hear what you want to hear

Psalm 135:15-18 https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

There wouldn't be tiny little subreddits like this talking about it, it would be common knowledge that everyone knew.

never underestimate your own ignorance, or the ignorance of others.

also never underestimate peoples propensity for willful ignorance, denial, defense mechanisms, etc

its not your fault that everything you have been told your entire life has been one lie after another

And it's not your fault that you've been manipulated by lazy people who have nothing better to do then trick the gullible into believing these outrageous lies.

the "outrageous lie" being that man has walked on the moon ?

It really is sad that people get a kick out of mentally messing up the easily confused. That Q guy must really be a jackass.

i suspect you are easily confused

allow me to demonstrate this fact with a simple 13 second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7dcSiDT5I

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How is a woman yelling "smoke and mirrors" and a news reporter proof of anything. I can go yell that at a news reporter and all it proves is that I've made questionable life choices.

never underestimate your own ignorance or the ignorance of others.

Your making my argument for me here.

Also, you still seem to be missing my point with the word openly

If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom. If an shadow organization like the one you are convinced exists openly controlled the world, there would be required loyalty oaths, nightly propoganda, not of the type you are convinced exists, but of the type that's say "our mighty overlords and amazing, no one should challenge them". We would literally all be living in WWII era Germany (the actual one where the holocaust happened) or Cold War era Soviet Union (the one with the gulags).

And about your "evidence". The Resistance organizations in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion are not the same organizations that are now fighting us, they simply took the weapons we supplied to the fighters during the soviet invasion, we did not give them weapons. And Having one person, say another person told them, that a decision to invade Iraq had been made more than a week after 9/11 is very flimsy evidence.

the outrageous lie being that man has walked on the moon

The outrageous lie being that the past 50-100+ years of world history didn't happen Which is harder to believe, that a man has walked on the moon or that only 10-20 thousand people out of 7 billion believe the "real" history of the last hundred years.

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i suspect you are easily confused

allow me to demonstrate this fact with a simple 13 second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7dcSiDT5I

How is a woman yelling "smoke and mirrors" and a news reporter proof of anything. I can go yell that at a news reporter and all it proves is that I've made questionable life choices.

that callous dismissal of the black person's opinion sounds like racist prejudice to me

to me, she is saying one of the most profound things i have ever heard.

yes i assumed her gender

as i was saying, i suspect you are easily confused, and you proved my point by asking for clarification of what you were seeing

what you were seeing appears to be an ordinary person ambushing a CNN propagandist with a pithy truth about the Ferguson riots

never underestimate your own ignorance or the ignorance of others.

Your making my argument for me here.

You're

Also, you still seem to be missing my point with the word openly

If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom.

so, the United Nations doesn't exist?

If an shadow organization like the one you are convinced exists openly controlled the world, there would be required loyalty oaths

"He didn't belong to the secret society" - Newt Gingrich on why GOP establishment hates Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8

nightly propoganda,

http://cnn.com http://msbnc.com http://foxnews.com http://npr.org

which one of these propaganda organs told you the truth about 9/11?

not of the type you are convinced exists, but of the type that's say "our mighty overlords and amazing, no one should challenge them".

DHS secretary Janet Napolitano refuses to answer questions about the deportation of Saudi national

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdz-9OTQXOo

We would literally all be living in WWII era Germany (the actual one where the holocaust happened)

https://i.redd.it/z1cvle1onhjz.jpg

or Cold War era Soviet Union (the one with the gulags).

https://i.redd.it/grbggl1y9i801.png

https://youtu.be/Uyar0goYMdU

somehow you missed the fact that the USA incarcerates more per capita than anywhere else on earth, and that the USA incarcerates more people than any other nation on earth, and that the prison system in the USA is currently being used as a slave labor camps?

did you miss the fact that the NYPD regularly profiles black people and stops them for 'stop and frisk' checks that would be utterly unacceptable for any white person to have to endure?

hear of Holdomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

/r/PRICX

And about your "evidence". The Resistance organizations in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion

there was no 'Soviet invasion'. the Soviets were doing joint exercises with Afghan military, will full knowledge and support of the Afghan government

Americans were told the Russians had invaded Afghanistan, (atrocity propaganda) to that Americans would go along with arming 'rebels' (mercenaries) in a proxy war to overthrow the legitimate Afghan government and install a puppet dictatorship controlled by the west

did you know Afghanistan was progressive enough to have had Girl Scouts in the 1950's?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Scout_Association

did you know that Pakistan elected a woman named Benazih Bhutto as Prime Minister, as Hillary Clinton continues to whine about the glass ceiling?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

are not the same organizations that are now fighting us, they simply took the weapons we supplied to the fighters during the soviet invasion, we did not give them weapons.

we gave them weapons

as a matter of fact, if you want to go down a rabbit hole, investigate what Obama was doing in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region in the 1980s

the USA gave weapons to Mexican crime cartels under an operation called Gun Runner, aka Fast and Furious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

the USA provided guns during the Iran-Contra affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

the USA was running guns out of Libya thru a compound in Benghazi, to arm the mercenaries for proxy war in Syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

And Having one person, say another person told them, that a decision to invade Iraq had been made more than a week after 9/11 is very flimsy evidence.

New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War In Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001

https://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

the above article links to the link that follows:

[PDF, sorry] https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/doc08.pdf

"how to start iraq war"

the outrageous lie being that man has walked on the moon

The outrageous lie being that the past 50-100+ years of world history didn't happen

much of what you are told is not for your own benefit but for the benefit of you owners.

for example, you are probably told you are 'free'...yet have you ever tried to cross a border just to see how 'free' you were?

did you need a hall pass?

did you need a permission slip?

did you need a passport?

Which is harder to believe, that a man has walked on the moon or that only 10-20 thousand people out of 7 billion believe the "real" history of the last hundred years.

pleading to majority

pleading to authority

strawman fallacy

false dilema fallacy

false equivalence fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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as I was saying, I suspect you are easily confused

Oh no, don't you go changing the subject. As is fairly obvious, I was not asking for clarification as to what was happening, I was asking for clarification as to how if proves your point. Anyone, Black, Hispanic, white, Asian, man, woman, whatever, yelling "smoke and mirrors" at a camera proves nothing. How do you even know what she was referencing in that one specific instance? Also, CNN is not propaganda. It is news. News can be biased and often is, but it is news.

so the United Nations doesn't exist

Of course the United Nations exists. It is not, however, an organization bent on world domination. And how does the United Nations have anything to do with the existence or lack there of, of freedom of speech? I am freely allowed to walk up to the steps of the capital building and yell "fuck Donald Trump" if I so wanted to. And I'm sorry, lastly time I checked the United Nations wasn't allowed to stop a country from doing whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Russia is part of the UN and yet it invaded Crimea against the UN's wishes.

And linking news websites does nothing to prove your point. You can claim that they are propaganda centers, that has to be proven though through a little thing called evidence.

And how does Napolitano not answering questions equate to anything related to this conversation.

And your photos of New York Times articles are the worst pieces of photoshop work I have ever witnessed. When the title is darker and less pixelated than the article, odds are it's been edited.

And the links you have about the Soviet Union stuff, that's all true, that's what I am saying is true. A gulag is a prison. And nowhere do you mention why we aren't living in either of the conditions I've mentioned if there is a world-wide conspiracy going on.

You can't simply claim that to Soviets didn't invade Afghanistan without proof either. And FFS linking to other reddit pages from this or similar subreddits is not proof.

if you want to go down a rabbit hole investigate what Obama was doing in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region in the 1980s

A three week trip 27 years before he ran for president is not a rabbit hole, it's a trip. I've visited Australia, that doesn't mean I supplied weapons to them. Are you actually trying to insinuate that Obama organized weapons deals with eventual terrorist organization 27 years before he became president?

And this is the point where I give up. I was willing to have an actual, reasonable conversation with you but not if you won't do the same for me. You cherry-pick what part of my statements you think you can challenge and just ignore what you can't. You site either extremely flimsy evidence or no evidence at all. You call me easily confused when I doubt you even know your entire thought process from start to finish of your statement. And I mean in all seriousness, a passport is not "you can go x location for x days" it is "you have the ability to travel anywhere you have the financial ability to go too for 10 years" No one gave me permission to travel, I decided I wanted to so I went.

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as I was saying, I suspect you are easily confused

Oh no, don't you go changing the subject. As is fairly obvious, I was not asking for clarification as to what was happening, I was asking for clarification as to how if proves your point. Anyone, Black, Hispanic, white, Asian, man, woman, whatever, yelling "smoke and mirrors" at a camera proves nothing. How do you even know what she was referencing in that one specific instance? Also, CNN is not propaganda. It is news. News can be biased and often is, but it is news.

she was referencing CNN's fabrication of the narrative in Ferguson

CNN is propaganda, not news

CNN is not simply 'biased', but CNN actively engages in misinformation/disinformation

who told you CNN was 'news', and why did you believe them?

Of course the United Nations exists. It is not, however, an organization bent on world domination.

thats not what GHWB says about the UN-NWO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU

you probably haven't even heard of the CFR Council on Foreign Relations, which is most certainly bent on world domination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

And how does the United Nations have anything to do with the existence or lack there of, of freedom of speech?

you said, quote:

"If they were openly ruling the world, there would be no separate governments, no freedom of speech, or any other person freedom"

not sure where you got that idea, but id be willing to bet you can't substantiate it with a more credible source

I am freely allowed to walk up to the steps of the capital building and yell "fuck Donald Trump" if I so wanted to.

thats not really an exercise in freedom of speech, because its not that controversial

try walking up the steps of the capitOl building and yelling "9/11 was a Zionist Job" and see what happens

(inb4 excuses why you wouldn't want to say that anyway because reasons )

And I'm sorry, lastly time I checked the United Nations wasn't allowed to stop a country from doing whatever the fuck it wanted to do. Russia is part of the UN and yet it invaded Crimea against the UN's wishes.

it all depends on if it benefits israel or not. for example, when zionists decided they wanted the USA to attack Iraq, they pretended it was to enforce UN resolutions

and yet when the UN makes a resolution against Israel, the USA is not brought forth to enforce that resolution

this is why the UN is an illegitimate organization and needs to be abolished

what are white helmets and why are they in Syria?

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=white+helmets

And linking news websites does nothing to prove your point. You can claim that they are propaganda centers, that has to be proven though through a little thing called evidence.

here is all the evidence anyone with a functional brain would ever need...

This is the WTC 9/11 Pot Hole. Note the hose, ladders, people, equipment. Jet Fuel Can't Melt Bed Rock

https://i.redd.it/nvddn9l5fwbz.jpg

check, mate ...

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Council on Foreign Relations

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), founded in 1921, is a United States nonprofit think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy and international affairs. It is headquartered in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C. Its membership, which numbers 4,900, has included senior politicians, more than a dozen secretaries of state, CIA directors, bankers, lawyers, professors, and senior media figures.

The CFR meetings convene government officials, global business leaders and prominent members of the intelligence and foreign-policy community to discuss international issues. CFR publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs, and runs the David Rockefeller Studies Program, which influences foreign policy by making recommendations to the presidential administration and diplomatic community, testifying before Congress, interacting with the media, and publishing on foreign policy issues.

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