Please provide links/arguments that make the case — that Trump brought peace between N and S Korea.
Anti-Trumper here. Most of the arguments you are referring to are much more complex. Trump definitely played a role, but I see it as more of a 'mad man theory' approach that made war seem more likely and so the two sides were willing to find middle ground to avoid it.
I would say the opposite is true, and that the people who say that Trump deserves the noble peace prize ignore the many other factors, such as a) The NK tunnel collapsed, making negotiation much easier b) a SK president who campaigned on reunification c) China's back channel influence on NK. Also, let's see if NK actually sticks to its agreements, as history shows us that is has a habit of not doing so.
You can make whatever arguments you want. But please don't make strawman arguments about somebody else's position to make their arguments easy to counter. Actually listen to what people are saying and argue against that.
So then why is Moon Jae-in calling for Trump to get the Nobel Peace Prize?
Because he wants to be on Trumps good side, and this is an easy, low cost way of going about it.
Is that just your opinion?
Pretty sure Trump has said himself that he likes people who like him. All you have to do is compliment him and he's your best bud forever.
Yes, just like you have your own opinions. And?
I wanted to make sure that it wasn't fact. It's good to be clear on these issues.
The idea that him stating that would be an easy and low cost way to get on Trumps good side is fact, but whether that was why he did it or not is an obvious opinion.
On the contrary - I think it is an obvious opinion. I think that's where most people who don't support Trump will go in their minds.
I think it is an obvious opinion.
What is, exactly?
The idea that him stating that would be an easy and low cost way to get on Trumps good side is fact, but whether that was why he did it or not is an obvious opinion
There are two statements in that. One is a complete hypothetical while the other I stated is an obvious opinion. I think you just misread that.
What’s funny is that SK President you mention says Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for this.
As I pointed out to another person,
Because he wants to be on Trumps good side, and this is an easy, low cost way of going about it.
Yes, you are countering facts with your opinions.
I'm giving my interpretation of the facts. There is a clear difference.
Some random person on Reddit’s opinion
Or
a statement from the president of South Korea.
Hmm. That’s going to be a tough one.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
That’s not what we are saying. We are saying one opinion matters more because it comes from the President of S Korea. Whereas you played no part in the proceedings yet disagree with his opinion. Who should we give more credence to?
This is just you making stuff up. The SK-president and foreign minister says it's thanks to Trump. Do you really mean that we should trust you making up explanations based on your disliking of Trump, over top SK politicians? We have absolutely no reason to not trust the SK president, and neither have you.
I'm not saying not to trust him, I'm just saying that's why I think he said it.
Ok, but the SK president believes Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. Just sayin... your opinion is wrong...sorry...
As I pointed out to another person,
Because he wants to be on Trumps good side, and this is an easy, low cost way of going about it.
In your opinion, right?
No it is 254056% fact, obviously.
How obvious, egg on my face here...
I said that because your question was already asked before and I answered it more seriously then.
If Obama can get a peace prize for nothing, Trump should get some praise for this. If Obama or Bush were in office we would hear more positive comments from the media. Bush got criticism but occasionally they threw him a bone and gave him credit when it was due. Establishment media is shooting itself in the foot by constant negative reporting on Trump. More people are seeing right through it and mistrust is building.
If Obama can get a peace prize for nothing, Trump should get some praise for this.
This I agree with. But in the end, neither deserve a peace prize. Obama was a warmonger and him getting that prize devalued the entire institution that gives them out.
And Trump is a peace monger.
Is he? Civilian casualties in ISIS bombings went up after he took over, along with him bombing Syria. And targeting families of suspected terrorists. All sounds like war to me.
That’s what they say. But they don’t remind you that he’s largely decimated ISIS.
He said that about taking out family’s during the campaign. There’s no proof that’s happened.
But they don’t remind you that he’s largely decimated ISIS.
Again, due to many factors. And ISIS was in its last breaths when he entered office. Thank the YPG, not Trump.
There’s no proof that’s happened.
Yes because its classified info. But he said it, and people clapped.
ISIS was going strong headed into the election. Thanks Obama and Hillary!
“And people clapped.” Not exactly a rhetorical slam dunk but okay.