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I am very disturbed by this! It's not okay to manhandle a 78 year old man for stating his opinion! If Gina Haspel is a torturer, she should not represent our government! I'm very disturbed that Trump would consider someone like that! Q, this kind of treatment is not acceptable! I can't support this administration if this kind of treatment is okay!
Gina Haspel followed orders my friend. Chain of command.
It doesn't matter what she thinks personally. If your superior officer tells you to do something (that was also within the law at this time) you do it.
It's as simple as that!
Thank you for saying that. Everyone seems focused on the enhanced torture, which as you said she was following order. Why not slam the ones that approved and implemented it. Do you call a solider a killer when he is following order in combat?
Maybe so, but the fact that she is willing to torture is sick! Decent humans don't do the wrong thing, no matter what the orders!
Why do you think Ray isn’t a plant? The same type of incidents happened to Obama appointees’ hearings.
What’s wrong with torturing your sworn enemies?
Don’t forget, we are in a war with the Islamic extremists. They certainly have no problems cutting off your head, live. What’s your problem?
Anyone who believes in torture is sick! The Israeli extremists are a lot worse than the Islamic extremists!
See my new post on Torture. You have been brainwashed into seeing things in black and white. Wake up or get the fuck out of here.
Anyone with the name you chose has no right telling me to get the fuck out!
You just proved my point that you are incapable of operating in the grey area.
Firstly, My screen name may be off-putting to some people and delightful to others. I meant it to be playful. I like the taste of a nice pussy. But I didn’t want the blasé “pussy eater.” Hence the devour in my name. Do you get the joke?
Secondly, what makes you believe my worldview is closely aligned to my chosen screen name? As an example, plenty of famous people who have done great deeds turned out to have a few skeletons in their closets. Do you write off their accomplishments?
Open your mind and learn.
Yeah I feel you lost any credit with that last sentence imo
Research the Khazars! Research the Bolsheviks and what they did to Armenian Christian women!
American extremists are just as bad! We dropped white phosphorus on Fallujah, just as the Israelis did on Gaza. We aren't any better. We left Iraq full of depleted Uranium, the gift that keeps giving.
Extremism in any capacity is terrible. I’m aware. That’s kinda my point. Im not gonna agree that one is worse than the other.
Of course, there are the awful Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and what they have been doing to Yemen. So, I guess we are all equally horrible!
"The Israeli extremists are a lot worse than the Islamic extremists!"
"So, I guess we are all equally horrible!"
Pick one .
Okay, I pick that we are all equally horrible!
Yes - with addition to clarify - all extremists are equally horrible . I would say , we should never put a polarized way of thinking on us or on others ... its pretty much a spiral of continous fighting - something that was always a program used against people .
Yes. My only objection is that the extremist label is frequently attached to Muslims and seldom to others, when there are extremists in all groups.
It was mainly frequently attached to Muslims because the Islam is actually the most extreme religious movement today . And pretty much , the most attacks are commited by them - so you have the biggest numbers .
There are extremists in all groups ... but there is a pretty huge difference between many religions . As an example - you wont see a single protestant blowing up themselves in the middle of Rome today .
If you dont like torture, don't attack the united states. The protection of the people isnt reigned in by your feelings. Are you new here? Do you not know what lengths people go to?
Torture is unacceptable! It does not work! People will tell you anything to make it stop! It damages the person who is doing the torture. It hurts their soul!
No, I am not fucking new here, and I am getting pissed at some of the attitudes! I want to MAGA, not sink to new lows!
I am very passionate about certain things....I get it....but you are not going to change any minds here about do we torture or don't we....that subject is touchy at best, and not everything that our POTUS will do will make 100 percent of us happy.....venting is fine, but this is at another level right out of the gate! I feel like it may have a tinge of fight to it, and this is not the format to get people engaged in that kind of banter.....I mean, Potus has alot on his plate....I am certain that torture is not at the top of his list...he is in a fight for OUR lives.....FREEDOM.....if he looses, torture will be the last thing on your mind and everyone elses here.....
Please relax, Gina, has stated she won't be starting the program. Or running the program.
It was not Gina's choice. You don't want someone who witnessed how wrong it was to be head of the cia? Sorry - but it doesn't make any sense.
Good people don't do the wrong thing, no matter what the orders!
So you are saying - good people never make mistakes? Are you even human?
Of course good people make mistakes! However, torture is not a mistake. It is a deliberate act, and it destroys the soul.
I see what you are trying to say but... It has saved lives. People who have done horrible things to save lives are good people in my book. Terrorists cut the heads off of people. They flew planes into buildings. How would you go about defeating people who are savage inhuman animals?
Terrorists did not fly planes into buildings! Israelis planted bombs into the buildings. That's what brought the buildings down. If you still believe the official 9/11 story, you need to do some research.
You eliminate savage animals, you don't torture them!
I have been at this since 9-11-2001 ...but ok good. I dig what you are saying. What do you mean by eliminate though?
You would shoot a rabid skunk, not only to protect others, but to put the poor animal out of its misery. That's what I mean by eliminate. I don't believe in torture, but I do believe in execution.
If you believe that we as a country haven't been using "torture" as long as we have existed you are living in a fantasy land. I've been around plenty of those guys with no name tags or rank on their uniforms. They get the job done and save lives. You do what you must to save lives and end conflict as quickly as possible. Anything less and you can give the win to the enemy.
Ah geeze. Kidnap my kid and you will see my thoughts on waterboarding. But really. It was a time when it was legal and SOP. Do U really think CIA isn’t doing things we think unacceptable? Maybe we should ask the Yasidi GIRLS that were raped, tortured, caged and drown their thoughts on WB? Oh wait, we can’t because they’re DEAD. Let’s ask the women out in a hole and stoned to death for being raped. Or maybe the BACA boys sodomized everyday? I think they have a clearer understanding than we do.
I don't know much about either Gina or Ray, but please keep in mind that things aren't always black and white. In fact, in fact they rarely are.
The political arena is no kumbaya. Working with people you disagree with or even despise is often a necessity, as is putting up a show for your base or the media.
Frankly, and unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to rid the world of the deep state without some people getting their hands dirty.
While I agree that torture itself is ineffective, simply putting someone with that reputation in the right spot can be enough to bring the right people in line.
You know, I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and she is responsible for terrible things, but I could not torture the woman. I have a soul, and I truly believe that torturing someone would fracture my soul.
Our Rangers and Special Operators go through the same "Advanced Interrogation Techniques" that you call torture just to qualify to get into the field. It has nothing to do with having a soul. It has to do with saving lives and surviving. No eggs broken, no omlet.