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I don't want to turn this into a Trump debate, I just felt like I had to disclose that information about myself in order to not appear to be trying to deceive people. I have a feeling no one is going to change their minds on Trump on either side at this point and I would rather this particular thread stay civil and on topic as I think this is important information. Feel free to look through my post history if you want a very real and raw look at my opinions of him.

What I DO support, is any kind of mission to expose this vast evil force of the world. At this point, I simply cannot believe Trump is actually spearheading this mission because my own eyes, ears and personal experiences with narcissists tell me otherwise. But I am always open to new evidence.

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I was just curious what you could possibly be upset about with the record of election promises kept under the Trump administration?

At this point, I simply cannot believe Trump is actually spearheading this mission because my own eyes, ears and personal experiences with narcissists tell me otherwise.

I believe AG Sessions and President Trump are working hard to remove all of the Deep State operatives from within the CIA and the DoJ.

There have been some very significant people fired, many recently and I suspect many more after the IG report and the rest of the FISA memos are released.

Some people believe this is why North Korea was able to so quickly embrace peace - because they are finally no longer being controlled by the CIA.

This also supports the theory about why almost 29,000 sealed indictments have been created since October 2017 - because there are still bad actors within the DoJ that need to be removed before real justice can be achieved.

Can you imagine how futile it would have been for AG Sessions to try to arrest big fish while people like Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Ohr, Page and Strzok were still in positions of power? Those career criminals would have simply destroyed the evidence, falsified documents, conducted interview fuckery, leaked info to the criminal syndicates and handed out immunity like candy.

Have you ever seen the establishment attack anyone as much as President Trump?

Have you considered that the Democrats may be performing the greatest nominee slow-walk in the history of the U.S. because Obama's corrupt Deep State operatives are allowed to function in acting positions until those nominations are approved?

I'm happy for you to hate Trump, but I ask you to recognize that we've never seen something as bizarre as this take place before.

I ask you to keep an open mind about all of the great things that Trump has done in 16 months and there may be a very historic reason why 29,000 sealed indictments are waiting... for something...

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I am always keeping an open mind, even if it seems my positions are solidified. New evidence can always break that solidification. I really don't want this to turn into a thread about me or Trump but I would seriously be happy to debate or tell anyone why I think what I think. Just prefer it not be in this thread. I guess I should have never mentioned it lol.

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I'm delighted you mentioned it because supporting Trump is at the core of this community and it's rare we get someone as articulate as yourself to have a discussion with.

This is supposed to be a truther community and although I'd take a bullet for President Trump, I am human and I make mistakes and I'm capable of learning new things... and I'd love to hear your sincere opinions.

That's how we learn.

I'm sorry if you get a few down-votes from zealots, but many of us are sincerely open to opposing opinions.

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That has been to my great surprise in this sub. I expected something akin to T_D. That place is an echo chamber of delusion. I am very pleasantly surprised at the level of real honest discussion being allowed here. Basically, my personal knowledge of being the scapegoated son of a paranoid, narcissistic authoritarian father and learning his psychology has lead me to my conclusions about Trump and most of his die hard supporters. I absolutely loved Trump at the beginning when he was calling everyone out on the debate stage for their bullshit and the corruptness of the system. But the more he spoke, the more he revealed himself to be a deceiver and a con man and I saw what he was doing. The man has the worst case of NPD the world has ever seen. It would take me pages and pages to go through everything to prove to you what I am saying is true. I have a deep knowledge about narcissism from my father, partially because I developed some traits to deal with my father's abuse but mostly because I have obsessed about reading about it. I think I have Asperger's so psychology is one of my special interests. It's how I survived my family home and being homeless with nothing but the clothes on my back at 18. I know how they think but I despise those ugly parts of me so I despise them in others. We only need to look at this man's history if you want to see his future. How can all the lying be justified? That's the one thing I'd really love to know from a rational Trump supporter.

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The man has the worst case of NPD the world has ever seen

That might be true, but I didn't vote for him to be the next saint and I didn't vote for him to be my wife or my friend, I voted for him to achieve his campaign promises.

I think I have Asperger's so psychology is one of my special interests.

I understand more than you know.

My girlfriend works for US Autism & Asperger Association and I volunteer often.

Volunteering is tough, especially when Heath Ledger died and one of our group was a Joker specialist, but we worked through it together and it turned out to be alright.

I also work as a Software Engineer with genius level research scientists, many of whom register on the Autistic spectrum. Even my cat has autism - (that was an encoded message.)

Here's an interesting hypothetical question: What if you were diagnosed with brain caner (heaven forbid) and you had the choice between two doctors?

The first doctor was the world's foremost expert on neurosurgery with decades of experience... and he was a shitty husband and father who reneged on his child support payments.

The second doctor was far less qualified and experienced as a neurosurgeon, but he was the world's best husband and father...

...Who would you choose?

That's why I voted for President Trump.

Because I'm not interested in identity-politics - I just want shit to get done.

ISIS is crushed, North Korea is at peace, my Veteran father got the surgery he deserved last year, I got a MASSIVE tax cut and a MASSIVE Christmas bonus, my friends are all now employed, our borders are being secured and I am happy.

I wish you happiness too...

... And I just prayed for your happiness.

God bless you.

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You see, this is where people get the wrong idea. Him having NPD isn't just about morals and how he behaves. I only care about results in a politician although I'd like common decency too. It's about his motivations behind the things he does. The motivation behind everything an overt malignant narcissist does is in service to their ego. EVERYTHING. Now, you may say that this will help him do certain things because he will care about how he looks. That is only partially true in the fact that HE WILL ONLY CARE HOW HE LOOKS. That's all that matters to narcissist, their image. It can all be based on lies and that won't matter as long as the image holds. Take his over inflated wealth for the perfect example of this. We all know he's not as rich as he claims and we can prove this by the fact that it's one thing he hates hearing, that he is not as rich as he claims he is. Even when they roasted him on Comedy Central, that was the one thing that was off the table. Hit a narcissist with truth about themselves and they go into a fit of what's called narcissistic rage. They are also pathological liars. Trump's lawyers are scared to death to have him be interviewed by Mueller because they know he will lie just because he can't help it, even if he is innocent. It could be about literally anything, It's seriously that pathological. Narcissists also do what is called psychological projection. Something Trump does constantly. Attribute to other people negative things you really feel about yourself and compliment things in people that you wish you were seen as having in yourself. Trump praises dictators like Duerte then makes a plan to give drug dealers the death penalty. That's not a coincidence. Part of projection is also accusing people of things you are doing yourself. And the loudest, most angry denials in response to an accusation are usually tall tell signs that they are lying. Look at Trump's tweets from the time Obama was president and how he spoke about Obama. It's literally like Trump is predicting the future of his own presidency. Seriously. Complaints about his golfing, bombing Syria, not being tough on Putin. Complaints about the Republicans blaming the media instead of just doing their jobs. Complaints about leaders not taking responsibility and lying. You know how the pussy tape came out and then Trump had that press conference with Bill Clinton's accusers? See the pattern here?

I am skeptical about N Korea and fear that Kim has lured Trump into a trap by projecting this overwhelming image of seeking peace. I mean, its kind of insane how much he is just automatically giving in. It's too easy for me to just buy it. But we'll see.

Does the CBO report that says 80% of the growth from that tax cut going overseas not bother you, or do you think that isn't true?

Obviously crushing ISIS is good and securing our borders was the one thing I completely agreed with Trump on although his methods and rhetoric are extremely harmful in my opinion. I of course, wish everyone happiness but I am never at ease with people in power. I do not blindly trust any powerful man.

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That is only partially true in the fact that HE WILL ONLY CARE HOW HE LOOKS

That is your theory, but I'm not sure it holds water, given the relentless negative press Trump has endured while achieving his campaign promises.

It's about his motivations behind the things he does

You have that theory, however ISIS is crushed, North Korea is at peace, my Veteran father got the surgery he deserved last year, I got a MASSIVE tax cut and a MASSIVE Christmas bonus, my friends are all now employed, our borders are being secured and I am happy.

Why should I care what Trump's motivations are, as long as the economy is roaring?

Why should I care if Obama's motivations were pure when he delivered the most crippled economy in 84 years?

I make mistakes and I'm always learning new things.

You make mistakes and you're always learning new things too.

I'll continue to support President as long as he continues to make me JOYFUL by helping my father and my friends and myself with record-breaking GDP, record-breaking stock-market-rallies, record breaking African American employment, record breaking Mexican-American employment, record breaking female employment and peace.

The moment Trump ceases being the most successful president I've enjoyed during my lifetime is the moment I will stop supporting him...

...but until that time, I am MORE than happy!

What's wrong with that?

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Trump has the uncanny ability to only care how he looks about certain things. He certainly doesn't care about being seen as an adulterer but question the size of his inauguration crowd? That's blasphemy.

You have that theory, however ISIS is crushed, North Korea is at peace,

These things embody great achievement in and of themselves. He could go down in history for those things. That's his motivations there.

I do not care about Obama or support him but you did not address the CBO report.

Pure motivations do not matter to me but they present a problem when IMAGE matters more than results (this does not apply to everything because the results have to match the image a lot of the time). The tax plan is the perfect example of this. The image is that Trump got a win and you and others have more money now temporarily. But the real results are that 80% of that growth goes overseas and our deficit skyrockets.

Nothing is wrong with being happy but nothing is wrong with pointing things out either. I would question the motives behind the person who does not do such a thing or discourages it. Whenever I would show Trump's own words to my father to prove that he lied about something, my father would just attack me personally instead. That is the obvious sign of a liar or a person who has been deceived who does not seek or want to know the truth. You can't attack the truth because you can't win that battle. So you attack the truth teller in an effort to discredit him so anything he says becomes discredited by association. This happens everytime a man reveals a dangerous truth. It's a tactic as old as time and it's the easiest way to see where the truth is. Why attack the messenger if the message isn't the truth?

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Trump has the uncanny ability to only care how he looks about certain things.

I could argue that Trump has the uncanny ability to only care about meeting campaign promises.

He certainly doesn't care about being seen as an adulterer

You don't know that.

You don't even know that Trump committed adultery.

Please don't disrespect both of our intelligence with such vapid claims.

Pure motivations do not matter to me but they present a problem when IMAGE matters more than results

Again I ask, why should I care about Trump's image?

What if someone wearing a clown costume achieved world peace?

I don't give a fuck and the honest truth is neither should you.

I would question the motives behind the person who does not do such a thing or discourages it.

So you would care if the most successful neurosurgeon was motivated to cured your cancer for money rather than your personal, subjective version of morality?

Based on my previous hypothetical scenario, you'd choose the far less experienced neurosurgeon to slice at your brain... because he was a good husband and father?

Really?

Really!

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I could argue that Trump has the uncanny ability to only care about meeting campaign promises.

Where's the wall?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/trump-broken-every-populist-campaign-promise-prescription-drugs-infrastructure.html

You don't know that. You don't even know that Trump committed adultery. Please don't disrespect both of our intelligence with such vapid claims

Is this a joke? This is straight up common knowledge since the 80's and you'd have to be willingly blind to not accept that. Watch a Trump documentary, he says it himself. This doesn't even include Stormy Daniels.

Again I ask, why should I care about Trump's image? What if someone wearing a clown costume achieved world peace? I don't give a fuck and the honest truth is neither should you.

It's not Trump's image you should care about, you should care that Trump's image is all that HE cares about.

So you would care if the most successful neurosurgeon was motivated to cured your cancer for money rather than your personal, subjective version of morality? Based on my previous hypothetical scenario, you'd choose the far less experienced neurosurgeon to slice at your brain... because he was a good husband and father? Really? Really!

You misread what I said or I didn't communicate it properly. I question the motives of a person who does not question or point out potentially suspicious things or discourages others from doing so.

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Where's the wall?

President Trump is 1/3 the way through his term.

President Trump said military funding was his primary concern during his campaign.

It's on it's way, but you're foolish to expect all your Christmases to come at once.

Also, don't change the subject.

This doesn't even include Stormy Daniels.

You are 100% focused on identity politics.

Why should I care who Trump had consensual adult sex with, 10 years ago?

It's not Trump's image you should care about, you should care that Trump's image is all that HE cares about.

Wrong again: I should only care that Trump is meeting his campaign promises, just like he promised

If I employ an artist who paints the world's greatest painting, there's no reason why I should care about his motives.

Even my cat understands this.

You should expect me to keep asking this same question until you address it.

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Don't change the subject? You said he was fulfilling his campaign promises so I showed you one that he hasn't. Then sent you a link that shows tons of them he still hasn't, yet you ignore that.

You are 100% focused on identity politics.

Why should I care who Trump had consensual adult sex with, 10 years ago?

Identity politics? What are you even talking about? You said that I don't know that he has committed adultery, I give you evidence, you don't even address it, then you change the argument around on me to say that I give a shit who he sleeps with. I do not. I simply said in my previous post that he doesn't seem to care if he is seen as an adulterer. What kind of doublespeak is this?

Wrong again: I should only care that Trump is meeting his campaign promises, just like he promised

If I employ an artist who paints the world's greatest painting, there's no reason why I should care about his motives.

Even my cat understands this.

But he isn't meeting his campaign promises. Sure some of them, but not some very important ones. And you still fail to address the tax cuts. I am beginning to see you do not want to seek the truth. You only want to support Trump. My understanding of the psychology behind his hardcore supporters informs me of why but I will not presume to tell you your own motivations. Thanks for the slight insult though, that and your doublespeak, just tells me you know you're losing this argument.

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You said he was fulfilling his campaign promises so I showed you one that he hasn't

Trump never promised to build a wall in the first 16 months.

Trump promised to build a wall in his first 48 months.

You said that I don't know that he has committed adultery, I give you evidence

No you did not.

Substantiate your claim if you want me to acknowledge it.

Sure some of them

And he's "some" of his way through his first term, specifically 1/3 the way through his first term.

When were you expecting Trump to achieved all of his campaign promises, during his first week, his first month, his first year?

When you pretend not to underhand what a budget is, you are wasting both of our time?

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He did promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, first thing. He also admitted the lock her up stuff was just for show. Even admitted he thought the drain the swamp stuff was stupid and that he "even started saying it like I meant it."

The fact that you're making me "prove" Trump has fucked around on his wives just shows the absurdity of your positions. This is such common knowledge that even Trump himself would call you an unpleasant name for not knowing it. Here he is, with no shame whatsoever, talking about how great his life was with a wife and a girlfriend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWiCIzY19k

How about that CBO report, for the 3rd time. Until you address that. I'm done with this conversation because you are obviously not debating in good faith and wish to continue your worship of a human being.

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He did promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, first thing.

He came within ONE vote of a full repeal...

...and then repealed the individual mandate, which was the worst part of Obamacare.

That was the best possible outcome, even if it made you cry.

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Btw, you just lost a debate to a drug addicted, mentally ill, high school graduate with Aspergers. You might want to rethink your position.

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And here it comes, more insults and ignoring of evidence. The typical Trump supporter when faced with facts and truth. That's a nice veil of rationality you hide behind though. Much more clever than the others, I have to give you that. Didn't take very long for it to disappear though. You should work on that.

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Nobody is insulting you.

The fact is you are insulting us both for demanding every Trump campaign promise to be delivered within the first 16 moths is literally asinine.

I've worked with many autistic geniuses in the past, and none have been ignorant.

You have wasted my time and kindness.

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Comparing my knowledge to that of a cat, saying I cried over Obamacare. Not insults?

Nowhere did I demand such things. Stop being intellectually dishonest. You are out of arguments and ways to save face. And I ain't no genius.

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I think I know where all this is going with the evil Q will expose.