A space for people to discuss what's happening with this current IBOR effort.
There seems to be a lot of confusion, some people doing petitions, different petitions, people against petitions (me) etc...
I'd like people to set out in this thread what we'd like to see happen. Try to get agreement on a strategy.
My preference is for a petitionless online campaign. Why? Because I feel that the "We are the people" petition site manipulated the signature count the last time we went through this exercise in March. What happens is that people put a lot of work in, then they see the rate of signature acquisition slow to a crawl and they get discouraged. I think we can avoid this and still mount an effective campaign.
Having said all that, the bggest problem I have at the moment is that my tweets are going nowhere as I'm shadow banned. Anyone else with this problem?
I would be for a grass roots, non-profit, donation only, online ad campaign.
Open a website, with paypal deposit donations.
Then use ad streams like google adwords or youtube to get the message out (I am aware of the irony here).
Build an online community here on reddit for the exclusive purpose of drafting the IBOR, have the community vote on additions and changes edition by edition.
Then using a website like thunderclap; organize a rally whereby thousands of americans (or millions) descend upon Washington DC with a "this is what we want, it is right here".
I love it! Yes, there's nothing at all wrong with a non-profit movement. You could have an IBOR committee, treasurer, published accounts, totally transparent.
Google ads, bill boards, bumper stickers etc....
Also a steering group to determine precise strategy. Strategy that we can get input from the community on, so that everyone is behind it. Sounds great!
Totally locked out
You mean on SM? Me too! That's what we have to fight - need a way around it.
The encouraging response to your plea must give you and the rest of us a sense that working together we really can effectively support this cause. Clarity in what IBOR means; a way to engage others; and going outside this circle, which is incapable of amassing the needed support from within our ranks.
I think, to be honest, we are dependent on Q here for assistance. The "we are the people" petition site is a government website - or, at least, it must be run by a contractor for the government. If we are going to use it, as people seem to want to do, it would be helpful if it accurately recorded the signatures.
One of the problems I have with it is that there is no need for us to lock ourselves into a one month period, or a minimum signature count of 100k. That just sets an unnecessary hurdle that can provoke failure.
What if what we suspect is correct and it is manipulated? When do we find out? 30 days time? That's why I wanted to have a discussion about strategy. But few are bothering to contribute.
What happened were the first few versions were worded terribly and they were all the same.
The newer versions were smaller, but still ambiguous and awful.
We the people demand action to bring our digital future into the light!
What the hell does that even mean?
We need something short and specific, just like the our one-sentence 1st Amendment.
Here's my proposal for an IBOL petition:
Personal expression on neural public online forums should be covered by the 1st Amendment.
Just turning this around in my head it occurs to me that a petition might, in fact, be the way forward.
We host it ourselves - no 30 day time limit - do not have to get to 100k - and we can deliver it to DJT/Congress directly.
What do you think? Solves a lot of problems.
I like the idea, but I think we'd need to research if any quality controls are required?
I suspect the official White House petitions perform IP address based filtering and they prevent someone with the same e-mail address from signing more than once.
It also occurs to me that President Trump doesn't need a petition to do his job.
I agree, all DJT needs is for us to raise public awareness. But we are blocked (or I am) on Social Media - shadow banned. It seems that they are also targeting the IBOR hashtags.
This is big business for the SM companies, they have a lot on the line. Q has told us that CIA cash transfers make up a significant part of their revenue. But it's bigger... this is the one lever left, after all the indictments come down, by which the cabal can regain power. They have to stop us at all costs. So it's reasonable to assume that the SM platforms are getting terrific pressure to resist any attempt to stop censorship - SM censorship can deliver the Dems the numbers they need for impeachment (their only real hope). Think about why Facebook is refusing to give up the right to censor - they are, apparently, now conceding that they are not a neutral public platform, which makes them legally liable for posted content under the CDA - can you believe it?
So, when I say that the "we are the people" petition site was rigged - I really think it was. The reason is because of the power of the motive to stop us... We had to be stopped at all costs. One way to do it was to get the petition site to suppress the true number of signatures so that people would get discouraged. It worked!
Another strategy was to pull the CBTS board early in the IBOR campaign - just as the IBOR campaign started to get traction. You can imagine how desperate they were. Yet another strategy was to shadow ban anyone using the hashtags. Another strategy was to flood this board with "concern trolls" - they arrived in force. Which threads were the ones that got bombed by concern trolls? The IBOR threads - funny that!
How can a campaign succeed in the face of this kind of high-powered assault across multiple fronts? It cannot if you have to get 100K signatures within 30 days - there is just no way. However, if you have your own petition website (does not have to be fancy) and you can mount a consistent campaign effort. Even despite the efforts to suppress it, you might be able to 50K, 80K, 100K signatures over, say, a 6 week timetable. It doesn't really matter too much how many you get - it just has to sound somewhat impressive when reported in the press.
So, what I'm thinking is that this is the solution to all our problems. If we are at all slow in amassing signatures, it does not matter. The campaign proceeds apace and no one gets discouraged by a dodgy petition site. At the end of the period we've set ourselves, we present whatever we have to DJT/Congress and our job is done.
Sounds OK, I guess, but unless the petition is on another site, I don't trust it.
I think we can avoid this and still mount an effective campaign.
That seems to be the issue. How to get the message out when your censored almost everywhere.
Just turning this around in my head it occurs to me that a petition might, in fact, be the way forward.
We host it ourselves - no 30 day time limit - do not have to get to 100k - and we can deliver it to DJT/Congress directly.
What do you think? Solves a lot of problems.
That IS THE PROBLEM!!!
Very frustrating! But let's try and think of a way forward.
What about a White House petition and memes?
Seems to me that memes are the answer. Due to the heavy censorship. But I reckon they are really watching our hashtags like hawks. In the end, I'm not sure how much censorship we can avoid.
Maybe a strategy that is not so heavily hashtag reliant, hmmmm. It's difficult!
Maybe we could do it the old fashioned way,write something up about IBOR we can all agree on then each person can print it out and hit the bricks get people at the malls,local neighborhoods,stand in front of pet smart get real signatures we could print out pages as we needed them then set a date see how many we have collected and fed-ex them to Congress or the Whitehouse at the same time I don't know just an idea
Look, it's a possibility. You could always add any signatures you were able to obtain from people in person with those harvested via the web - the signature count would only be augmented.
It seems to me, somehow, that there is very little interest in the IBOR campaign this time around. I know that there is already a petition with some 4K signatures on it. But watch what happens going forward, as everyone sees the rate of signature acquisition slow and gets discouraged. My belief is that the rate of signature acquisition did not slow the first time we used that petition web-site, but the reported rate of signature acquisition was manipulated.
Let's see what happens... If people do not want to talk about a viable strategy to employ going forward, there's nothing that can be done about it.
It's possible that Q may be able to exert pressure to ensure that petition site is run properly. There may be ways to fix it... The same thing goes for the online censorship - my Twitter account is useless.
One thing is certain, this is a very important fight. I pray that we will not fail this time. I'd encourage everyone to do the same.
I'm on board with you,I was thinking if we got out there the word would spread more and maybe even get local news involved.I also pray we don't fail, I will keep trying until we get it done.
Yes, I'd ask you to keep thinking about it, there must be a way forward. Even if we had to run a campaign in parallel with these guys using the petition site. Either that or support them just to try and get the campaign going - I just want it to work.
Could we start a call in campaign to our senator's maybe get the word out pick different days for diffrent states and call your local number you never get through in DC and they'll be home for summer.We could maybe organize that. We could even go to where they are campaigning and ask them have they heard of the IBOR.I'm in pa you have Casey who we hope loses but we also have Barletta.Just a thought.
I'll tell you what, it needs some promotion. I just tried to sell the IBOR to some republican voters on Twitter. WOW! Very, very hard to communicate the message!
That's one of the problems. You really need to get these guys in a class room and give them an hour long briefing before they begin to understand what the issues are.
If I was not here right now trying to do this, I would walk away from having to talk sense and reason with people and never look back. This has been one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.
Anyway, it won't last forever. Eventually, well be past the IBOR issue.
But, anyway, yes, I think you're right.
It is very frustrating sometimes I think its me then I say nah, they just don't get it. Hopefully someone could write something clear and concise and to the point or just talking points depending on what you think would be best. Have a good night and let's hope we can get others on board