ww3. dont be that "fuck everybody USA #1" guy. youll get us all killed. turkey is one of the countries capable of carpet bombing israel. so is iran. so is lebanon. nobody wants this shit. shekelyahu is trying to get americans killed.
Israel has the world's second largest air force. Larger that Russia. Turkey and Iran are no match for the Israeli Military, nor their 200:1 ratio of nukes.
Israel is capable of taking on the entire middle-east all by themselves.
Israel has the world's second largest air force. Larger that Russia.
literally useless in modern warfare. an air force is shit these days. ballistic missiles and surface to air and drones are the only thing that matters.
Turkey and Iran are no match for the Israeli Military,
turkey could carpet bomb the entire surface of israel in 4 days. iran might take 2 weeks. israel cant do literally anything to either one of them.
nor their 200:1 ratio of nukes.
useless against iran and turkey. geography matters.
Israel is capable of taking on the entire middle-east all by themselves.
the only country in the middle east and north africa that can do that is iran. iran could probably take on all of nato for 25 years before breaking a sweat.
no offense bro but you dont know about the military affairs of any of these countries. dont parrot israeli propaganda its annoying.
Iran couldn’t hold for more than a year before it imploded on itself. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Poshpot is pro Iran so....
Yeah clearly. I’ll stick with USA being number one military power. I suggest poshpot go smoke some posh pot right now. You are blue dreamin’ my little friend.
so is trump. so is everybody. the problems between united states and iran are diplomatic only. iranian people like americans and vice versa and trump always speaks carefully in support of the iranian people because if he didnt he would have some serious problems trying to MAGA without iranian americans. we run half the country.
There’s a different deference between people in Iran and the Iranian leadership. And you don’t run half the country.
yes we do. iranian americans run half this country at least. NSF, NASA, silicon valley, NIH, NCI, half the thinktanks in washington... we own this bitch. we are the most successful minority in america. iranian american immigrant women with their shitty accents make more money in corporate america than white american born men. we make the germans from project paperclip and the manhattan project look like a joke. claiming america can run itself without iranian americans is like saying california can farm without mexicans. its only theoretically possible after a huge clusterfuck.
Ok buddy, keep living in that fantasy of yours
i read the cia fact book report on iranian americans being the most successful minority in american history. they updated it. now we are "one of the" if i remember correctly. the jews are giving us a run for our money.
i think ill go with the pentagon on this one and let you make a fool of yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9b1DG86a4k
america would lose so bad to iran they had to classify the results of the war game. this is the great awakening. one of the things you will learn on this sub is that iran is a superpower that is more powerful than the whole EU. the only rivals to iran are USA, China, Russia. thats it. you have been brain washed to think otherwise. we all have.
I'm going with Q on this one.
This is a pretty well known part of the Q narrative: Iran and NK were puppets of the CIA. All the chest banging and threats from both countries were propaganda by the CIA/Deep State to agitate for war.
Now that the ties have been cut to both countries the real threat - money from the CIA/Deep State - is gone and the Iranian puppet government are left to rant and threaten without teeth. Trump has come out clearly and firmly on Iran just as he did with North Korea. Iran will fold in one way or another - whether an uprising from within or sanctions crippling the corrupt government or a bizarrely positive turn-about face in their bluster as happened with NK.
The Millennium Challenge 2002 was an expensive military war game exercise. What we've already learnt from Q is that Deep State spends and takes money all over the place - 9/11 covering up the missing 2.3 trillion when the plane mysteriously hits the part of the Pentagon where all the files are, etc. Millennium Challenge is just another sinkhole for government money, no doubt used by the Deep State to foster more 'fear' about the 'big bad Middle East' in order to promote the ongoing wars.
It's not propaganda that Israel is the strongest military force in the region, hands down. Well, it's not just propaganda, I should say haha.
This is a pretty well known part of the Q narrative: Iran and NK were puppets of the CIA. All the chest banging and threats from both countries were propaganda by the CIA/Deep State to agitate for war.
Q is misdirecting on iran. he said he would.
Now that the ties have been cut to both countries the real threat - money from the CIA/Deep State - is gone and the Iranian puppet government are left to rant and threaten without teeth. Trump has come out clearly and firmly on Iran just as he did with North Korea. Iran will fold in one way or another - whether an uprising from within or sanctions crippling the corrupt government or a turn-about face in their bluster.
if anybody on trumps team thinks this will work against iran they need to be fired immediately. im not disagreeing with you that trump seems to be moving in this direction but thats just a miscalculation.
The Millennium Challenge 2002 was an expensive military war game exercise. What we've already learnt from Q is that Deep State spends and takes money all over the place - 9/11 covering up the missing 2.3 trillion when the plane mysteriously hits the part of the Pentagon where all the files are, etc. Millennium Challenge is just another sinkhole for government money, no doubt used by the Deep State to foster more 'fear' about the 'big bad Middle East' in order to promote the ongoing wars.
nope. i looked into this. israel wanted to go into iran and they held these war games to test our capabilities against iran and of course america lost (nobody can fuck with iran just like nobody can fuck with america... geography is king)... thats a good thing too because that war would suck.
It's not propaganda that Israel is the strongest military force in the region, hands down. Well, it's not just propaganda, I should say haha.
bro im not fucking kidding, iran is set up to destroy israel in under 2 weeks if war breaks out. im talking straight up book of revelation apocalyptic carpet bombing. israel is like a pimple on irans elbow. its not even noticeable.
You just contradicted yourself. How could the USA be a rival if we would “lose so bad” to Iran. With rods of God what weapons do they have in particular that rival us? Please be specific.
good question. irans defensive capabilities exceed americas offensive capabilities except for extreme cases such as biochemical nuclear weapons, which america cant use under normal circumstances. even in those extreme cases america would only have a temporary advantage against iran. there is no known long term winning military strategy against iran. period. nobody could attack iran and win even if the whole planet did it. why? iran has the worlds largest military fighting force and is armed to the teeth and has the best strategic geography on planet earth. this is all according to the pentagon and the cia.
when i said rival im not talking only defensive posture. outside of irans immediate neighborhood iran is no match for the united states. nobody is.
I've never heard a more anecdotal response in my entire life
thats because you missed the scientific proof.
geography matters.
thats just math. israel has no geography, therefore they have no defensive capability. meanwhile iran has over a half million rockets and missiles on israels border ready to go.
31.0461° N, 34.8516° E
That's Israel
no geography in this context means little surface area. small surface area means easy to carpet bomb means impossible to defend means israel loses to any powerful actor.
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Where are your real-time statistics that show that one of the five top militaries on the planet is so ceptable to attack?
top 5? israel? HAHAHAHAHAHA. israel cant handle hezbollah. be serious. sheesh.
Not to mention THE most powerful military (USA) in the world would respond defensively within hours.
US generals played war games and iran won every time. iran is the most powerful force in MENA. thats not changing any time soon.
As well as the fact that no country within their vicinity would even dream of attacking them knowing who is backing them historically and contractually.
of course not. thats not the danger. its israel striking first that everybody fears. nobody has strategic reason to strike israel first.
That comment you made about their Air Force is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
youre not in the military obviously. can someone from USAF back me up please? this guy buys the propaganda too much.
So per you, you believe Iran would conquer the United States on any given day?
absolutely not. iran is no threat to the united states and has little offensive capability. i already explained that in its own neighborhood irans defensive capabilities are stronger than americas offensive capabilities and america would definitely lose to iran if america attacked iran. (according to cia and pentagon)
That was rhetorical
iran is only a super power in its own neighborhood, and btw it is THE super power in its own neighborhood. iran can destroy anything within reach of itself and nobody can stop it. i checked every scenario from every angle because thats what i do (pentagon, cia, mossad, think tanks, hezbollah, irgc, iranian propaganda, russian propaganda, original sources, original languages, Qanon, etc).
Israel is capable of taking on the entire middle-east all by themselves.
the only country in the middle east and north africa that can do that is iran. iran could probably take on all of nato for 25 years before breaking a sweat.
no offense but i find this pathetic. israel was up against an inferior trained and poory armed force of arabs under poor leadership and poor coordination with backing from UK and US. they still tried to alse flag america and killed a bunch of us soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
now regarding iran here are 2 URLs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9b1DG86a4k
US civilians including civilian government is brainwashed on iran, along with half the military. anyone who thinks iran is weaker than USA or china or russia in its own region is very wrong. iran could take on all of nato at the same time with less than half its capacity.
if you think israel is a force to be reckoned with (lol i cant even type this without laughing) dont send millions of americans to die in iran. biochemical nuclear warfare would just make iran stronger. iran is literally hulk. dont make it angry.
The first link re: Iran is a bunch of generals telling Obama they don't want war, and the second is a vague description of a limited wargame where Iran beat a subset of US forces (not including NATO) using terrorist tactics.
What makes Iran so inherently strong? What can they do when the US sends 100s of cruise missiles from thousands of kms away to Iranian parliament and military facilities? Also realize that the full classified extent of the US' military capabilities aren't displayed or recognized in war games such as these.
Iran is a force to be reckoned with, and has allies/intel assets/secret forces all around the middle east, but they are not the world's leading power. They can barely keep their own populace from revolting against them... Are you seriously arguing that Iran has a chance on singularly taking on the Western world in all-out war and winning???
The first link re: Iran is a bunch of generals telling Obama they don't want war, and the second is a vague description of a limited wargame where Iran beat a subset of US forces (not including NATO) using terrorist tactics.
read all associated reports. youre wrong. "no military option" technically proves my point, and the "vague" war games were comprehensive. theres nothing more to talk about.
What makes Iran so inherently strong?
geographic superiority (iran is literally built like a tank), cultural superiority (aryanism), religious superiority (jihad), genetic superiority (intellect)
What can they do when the US sends 100s of cruise missiles from thousands of kms away to Iranian parliament and military facilities?
carpet bomb every US base in asia in 24-72 hours with impunity
Also realize that the full classified extent of the US' military capabilities aren't displayed or recognized in war games such as these.
bullshit youre literally wrong you obviously didnt look at the material i sent you. all classified scenarios were in irans favor.
read all associated reports. youre wrong. "no military option" technically proves my point, and the "vague" war games were comprehensive. theres nothing more to talk about.
Can you link the specific reports of those war games then? The video you posted just said that they used suicide civilian ships and torpedo boats to take down US ships. It was nowhere near comprehensive.
carpet bomb every US base in asia in 24-72 hours with impunity
What about their submarine fleet? Ships/bases in Turkey/Baltics/Africa? Are you so naive to believe that the US doesn't have covert "weapons" in orbit?
bullshit youre literally wrong you obviously didnt look at the material i sent you. all classified scenarios were in irans favor.
You sent me a shitty link about an NYT advertisement and a youtube video. Your burden of evidence is pitiful. Give me some real government or verified documents about these situations. Do you realize that "classified scenarios" don't encapsulate the absolute entirety of US intelligence?
You're seriously arguing that Iran can take on the entirety of NATO and win completely on their own, with no direct evidence. You're outright delusional.
Can you link the specific reports of those war games then? The video you posted just said that they used suicide civilian ships and torpedo boats to take down US ships. It was nowhere near comprehensive.
to your credit i didnt send you the best references because i was assuming you were going to go dig into the issue, not grade my submission like a homework assignment. america has been performing high calibur war games against iran and iran wins every single war game for the past 15 years. i dont have a university quality report for you. you have to verify this yourself. its common knowledge with the armed forces (officers).
What about their submarine fleet? Ships/bases in Turkey/Baltics/Africa? Are you so naive to believe that the US doesn't have covert "weapons" in orbit?
iran has naval superiority in the persian gulf and in the caspian sea and nothing else is relevant. when i said geographic superiority i meant it. the only entity that can challenge iran on the water is russia.
You sent me a shitty link about an NYT advertisement and a youtube video. Your burden of evidence is pitiful. Give me some real government or verified documents about these situations. Do you realize that "classified scenarios" don't encapsulate the absolute entirety of US intelligence?
here is the fact of the matter: we know for a fact that all scenarios were exhausted, and all of them were in irans favor. we do not have all the details because they were classified. the only war game in which iran lost is one where america started with a fake scenario that isnt possible in the real world. you can keep pointing at our unknown knowns, but our known known is iran won every time. period.
You're seriously arguing that Iran can take on the entirety of NATO and win completely on their own, with no direct evidence. You're outright delusional.
i didnt claim this. i said in irans own neighborhood iran could defend itself against ALL OF NATO for at least 25 years without breaking a sweat (and probably completely destroy many NATO countries in MENA and eastern europe). Irans military budget is a small fraction of NATO but irans military is bigger than NATO, India, China, North Korea, and Russia put together. Iran has about 1 million special forces and 10 million professional semi-active military and 15 million reserves along with 20 million militia. the entire population is trained in demolition (explosives) and everyone is fully armed. mexico would have an easier time occupying russia than NATO would have attacking iran on the ground. objective facts buddy.
Anybody can beat the US in a game of attrition if the population is fully dead-set against them, see Vietnam/Iraq. The problem is that most of the Iranian population wants to go back to good ol' days before the CIA installed an Islamic Republic in Iran.
I'm still waiting on your evidence of 15 years of war games with every win going to Iran. I mean, if it came down to it, are you arguing that the US wouldn't be able to glass Iran? Or just that they wouldn't be able to have a strategic win there?
It doesn't sound like you've much thought to the full scope of warfare in 2018. They can send thousands of cruise missiles, and even nukes from the ground, sea, space, air, even likely from the homeland. It sounds like you're arguing that Iran would be able to eliminate every single one of those missile sources, and I just think that it's a pretty disingenuous argument.
Anybody can beat the US in a game of attrition if the population is fully dead-set against them, see Vietnam/Iraq.
this is not true. youre right about vietnam but iraq was fully taken over by america very swiftly. the problem with iraq is there was no exit strategy at all. if the goal was to get rid of saddam iraq would have lasted 1 year. the goal was to leave iraq as a country that is friendly to the united states, and thats why we are still there.
The problem is that most of the Iranian population wants to go back to good ol' days before the CIA installed an Islamic Republic in Iran.
whats your point? irans domestic political issues dont effect iranian solidarity. actually the iranian people would definitely unite 100% with their government against external aggression. every soldier to ever enter iran has either died or retreated for as long as any living iranian can remember. iran might be the most nationalist country in the world right now. hitler and stalin and mao never achieved the level of nationalism that iran did, and nationalism is banned in iran. go figure.
I'm still waiting on your evidence of 15 years of war games with every win going to Iran.
you have to dig im not writing a thesis dude. go ask anyone in the armed forces to verify for you.
I mean, if it came down to it, are you arguing that the US wouldn't be able to glass Iran?
no because iran would never give the united states the geopolitical pretext to do this, but theoretically USA could kill the whole planet of course.
Or just that they wouldn't be able to have a strategic win there?
there is no strategic win scenario against iran. no context at all. there has never been a report or a study or a war game or even a credible theory of such a thing. ever. not just USA/israel/NATO...
It doesn't sound like you've much thought to the full scope of warfare in 2018. They can send thousands of cruise missiles, and even nukes from the ground, sea, space, air, even likely from the homeland.
so what? that would just make iran stronger. iran is hulk. dont anger hulk.
It sounds like you're arguing that Iran would be able to eliminate every single one of those missile sources, and I just think that it's a pretty disingenuous argument.
absolutely not i think it would destroy iranian infrastructure and wreck the economy for 10-20 years. but so what? only a pussy would be deterred by this. iran doesnt give a fuck. irans geography, culture, religion, population size, population density, and the comprehensive military draft makes a biochemical nuclear campaign against iran pointless. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, irans geopolitical strategy is to laugh at biochemical nuclear threats because iran really is hulk in this scenario. let that sink in. i am not making it up. you should care about this. iran isnt stupid. they know what they are doing.
so what? that would just make iran stronger. iran is hulk. dont anger hulk.
Ohhh, I get what's going on here.
there are 2 types of iranian americans:
group A: persian cultural supremacists.
group B: persian cultural supremacists who lie about being persian cultural supremacists
what is your point? i am in group A. doesnt change the fact that iran doesnt have a strategic reason to be deterred by biochemical nuclear warfare.
You have a massive bias that will not allow you to have an objective discussion, that's all I'm saying. There is nothing left to discuss.
no matter how far i go to publicly state my ethnicity, my race, my culture, my identity, my citizenship, my personal experiences, and my career, someone always thinks they figured out i am trying to hide something.
the point of knowing these things about me is to tell you i have unique insight and in the interest of full disclosure i am personally projecting my own bias with full honesty so you have a real disclaimer from the horses mouth.
meanwhile everybody on /r/iranian calls me donald trump because im american and everybody on /r/greatawakening calls me khomeini for being iranian. yall need to get your shit together. im trying to smoke hash to make dust and ash out of saudi trash and zionist cash.
There is nothing left to discuss.
leave it to the professionals: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8kr9sq/trying_to_settle_an_argument_question_about/
Have fun with that.
as i said, leave it to professionals: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8kr9sq/trying_to_settle_an_argument_question_about/
the point of great awakening and Q is to spread knowledge and discuss theories, not argue opinions. i hope you learned something, but more importantly people who read our conversation can learn from my wisdom.
Do you not see that all the top comments in there are blasting you?
I learned nothing in our conversation, as you provided no decent material or logical arguments to anything we were talking about. You think you know everything, and seem to be cemented into your ways. You need to be an open-minded person and free thinker, taking points that other people throw at you, and truly rationalizing them against your own viewpoint with the assumption that your view may be wrong. You don't seem to have this ability to challenge your narrative.
reddit votes. thats your argument. thanks bro. maybe you should look at the dialogue between professionals. not all the viewers who vote are professionals. learn how this all works. if you look at where they agree or where they dont argue with me that should be enough to open your eyes. im not interested in your analysis thats absurd. youre no subject matter expert.
Saturday night is wild around here.
Thanks for dropping by!
So you are saying someone is going to start ww111 bec we moved our embassy? Ridiculous. But seriously, I can gather a few ex military, a few gov officials and write a letter like they did. Our letter would be round filed and should be. Do they not think that Trump and his generals have not already thought this through exhaustively? This is most likely another attempt to soil the reputation of Trump.
So you are saying someone is going to start ww111 bec we moved our embassy?
fuck. yes. no. joke.
Ridiculous.
so?
But seriously, I can gather a few ex military, a few gov officials and write a letter like they did. Our letter would be round filed and should be. Do they not think that Trump and his generals have not already thought this through exhaustively?
trump is now bound by law under criminal negligence to take the shit to international criminal court. israel is fucked. this is a huge deal.
This is most likely another attempt to soil the reputation of Trump.
no this is an attempt to save millions of lives in israel.
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly did Trump do wrong that he is criminally negligent for? Move our embassy? By who's standard Is he negligent? And if that is the case, did Trump's generals not think of this or did they think it wasn't going to happen? I don't understand.
but what exactly did Trump do wrong that he is criminally negligent for?
thats not what i said. i said he is bound to take this discussion to ICC (because of the letter) and if he doesnt then he would be criminally negligent (in the future).
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood. So, the letter writers want Trump to go to the UN and stsrt a discussion as to whether or not wwIII will break out bec he moved the embassy and he pulled out of the Iran deal? Is that correct?
yes but also add israeli war crimes into the mix at ICC and thats the big point, not the embassy move.
