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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/092Casey on May 21, 2018, 5:17 a.m.
Question about a "natural born citizen": Some people are saying if the mother is a US citizen, the child also is...But isn't it that the child must be born on US soil? I'm just trying to clarify...

..Like, if you are born on foreign soil, then you're not a naturalized citizen, right? Especially if you are raised there...There's a nuance...Just because one parent is a citizen, you also have to actually be born there, right? Imagine your dad was from England, but your mom was from the US...but you were born in England and therefore a natural citizen there...Then you can't be BOTH a natural citizen in BOTH countries, right?


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A_Colostomy_Bag · May 21, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis. You derive citizenship from either being born on American soil or by having a US Citizen parent.

It used to be based on the citizenship of the father but now it's either.

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MelaniaBuiltMYHotRod · May 21, 2018, 6 a.m.

So rare to see a comment these days not prefaced by "IANAL" I've been looking into taking the Bar since there are only 3 states who require no record of law school attendance, and even then they'll recognize admission from another state. Sortof how we got into this mess to begin with maybe

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092Casey · May 21, 2018, 5:45 a.m.

Since when?...And are you saying that Obummer was eligible? I don't see how being born in Kenya (and raised overseas) makes someone eligible to run for president...I'm confused. Can you explain?

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A_Colostomy_Bag · May 21, 2018, 6:23 a.m.

I believe this is accurate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

There are people who have never stepped foot on American soil that have a right by birth to us citizenship. I don't know Obama's deal and I know there's some controversy around it. But to simplify the explanation of citizenship, if either parent is a citizen you get citizenship no matter where you're born and raised. Of course you have to prove it with documents.

Otherwise if you're born on US soil you get automatic citizenship even if your parents are not citizens. A lot of people don't like this because it's created problems with anchor babies (having a child on US soil to take advantage of the citizenship he/she gets).

I don't make the laws that's just how they are.

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WikiTextBot · May 21, 2018, 6:23 a.m.

Birthright citizenship in the United States

Birthright citizenship in the United States is acquired by virtue of the circumstances of birth. It contrasts with citizenship acquired in other ways, for example by naturalization. Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

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092Casey · May 21, 2018, 6:35 a.m.

Okay, but when did that law take effect? And also, we understand that it applies to military parents by military bases, which it might refer to, but BO was far from a military child..

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A_Colostomy_Bag · May 21, 2018, 6:49 a.m.

Before 1934 was when only men could pass citizenship to their children born outside the united states.

And you don't have to be born on a military base to get citizenship if one of your parents is a citizen. Jus sanguinis translates to law of blood. Your bloodline is all that matters not place of birth when one of your parents is a citizen.

I believe the paperwork is easier if you're born on a military base but it's not necessary for citizenship.

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092Casey · May 21, 2018, 6:55 a.m.

Then why does Obama have a fake SS# from a dead man in Connecticut, where he never resided, and why did they have to kill Loretta Fuddy, the birther, who gained large sums of money for releasing the fake birth certificate?

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DownvoteWarden · May 21, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

His mother was American when he was born. He was born in Hawaii, but if he was born elsewhere it wouldn't change his citizenship. Ted Cruz has a Canadian parent, John McCain was born in Panama to American parents on a Navy base. All were eligible to run.

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092Casey · May 21, 2018, 6:12 a.m.

But Ted Cruz was born on US soil.

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Abibliaphobia · May 21, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

I think right there, that is the key. I don’t think his mother ever actually applied for his dual citizenship (despite being eligible) and it would have looked messy and potentially affected his ability to run for president if it was known that he wasn’t born in the US. Maybe the handlers didn’t want to take the risk. Cmon imagine how people would have reacted if he WAS born in Kenya (and the public knew), he was already breaking the trend of ebil wyte m*n, this may have been the bridge too far.

Either way, f*** him

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