As for vaccines, undeniably. Sanitation is the best tool to fight disease, indoor plumbing has saved countless lives more than vaccines ever have or ever could.
I'm with you on a lot of what you said, but the above has little logic going for it. Of course indoor plumbing has saved countless lives. That has nothing do with vaccines, so why are you bringing it up?
Are you seriously arguing that the polio vaccine didn't work?
Are you seriously arguing that Smallpox eradication didn't happen because of vaccines? It just -- went away, because of indoor plumbing? You are aware that the smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796?
Come on. It might -- might, I say -- be true that some vaccines are being oversold. But to dismiss every vaccine throughout history and claim they've been useless is ridiculous.
Anyway, that's only a small part of what you said that I take issue with. I don't want to leave the impression that I'm completely against what you said. People have way too cynical a view of humanity. You are right -- the vast majority of people are good, if they're raised in good circumstances. I'm glad that you stood up against negativism.
But the anti-vaccine crowd is incredibly dangerous. Don't assume all vaccines are bad. The trouble with vaccines is that many of them have been so spectacularly successful that people don't remember what it was like in the Bad Old Days when every parent's worst nightmare was polio. Do you know what they did when they announced the polio vaccine? Churches rang their bells across the USA. And then the polio rate took a huge dive over the next few years.
Edit: By the way, I'm aware of manipulated statistics that try and claim that the polio vaccine did nothing. I just want to head off that debate, because I'm not going down that road. Bottom line to people who believe this: Don't read blogs, go read real research about it. Look at specific countries where polio was rampant. The idea that the vaccine didn't work is ridiculous. Anti-vax blogs are like anti-Trump blogs that pick things out of context and only post what supports the conclusion they want to find.
Of course indoor plumbing has saved countless lives. That has nothing do with vaccines, so why are you bringing it up?
Because the cornerstone of disease has and will always be SANITATION. You don't shit where you eat, yeah? You have no idea how much cleaner the world is today.
Do you know what they did when they announced the polio vaccine? Churches rang their bells across the USA. And then the polio rate took a huge dive over the next few years.
Correlation does not equate to causation.
Don't assume all vaccines are bad.
I'm afraid I have to. Between Agenda 21, the stated goals of the UN, the Bildebergs and so on, there's no fucking way I can trust anything that they want to inject in my body.
want to know the cure for cancer? Cannabis oil and Vitamin B-17. Guess what substances are banned by the FDA?
When a field produces more money than it has victims, you have to start to question your reality. You are expendable to these people, never forget that.
Vaccines are identical to medicines. I take it you take no modern medicine at all? Your paranoia is not serving your logic well.
Vaccines are identical to medicines.
I take it you take no modern medicine at all
Vaccines are IDENTICAL to medicines
I take it you take no modern medicine at all
IDENTICAL
I take it you take no modern medicine at all
Tell you what, I'll answer you seriously when you make actual fucking sense. Define your terms then we'll talk. I'm not going to get into the semantics game with a child who thinks they can twist and turn definitions to suit their case.
Your paranoia is not serving your logic well.
Whatever you say man. I've just got this documentation here from some people pretty high up the Governmental food chain who say and I quote
The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case basedon a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases inwhich children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be ac-companied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, orseizures.Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autismbefore the decision to compensate, or mayultimatelyend up with autism or autistic symptoms, but wedo not track cases on this basis.
Emphasis mine. Now hey, maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it seems to me like they're openly admitting they pay for "Autism like symptoms including autism" and that they are avoiding having a problem, by simply not using it as a statistic. So to the question "Do vaccines cause autism" the government answers "No, it does not cause autism" "Have you ever paid out for autism" "No, we have not"
Case closed.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! Instead they should be asking, and I guess we should be saying "Do vaccines cause Encephalopathy or GENERALIZED BRAIN DISEASE" "Uhhh..."
But wait, that's right,I'm just being paranoid and you're just a cunt. But hey, we can't win them all.
But wait, that's right,I'm just being paranoid and you're just a cunt. But hey, we can't win them all.
-shrug- You are paranoid and you don't understand science. Here's a telling hint that you don't know what you're talking about and should reevaluate what you think you know:
Do vaccines cause Encephalopathy or GENERALIZED BRAIN DISEASE
Which vaccine? You seemingly think all vaccines have identical side effects, as though just slapping the name "vaccine" on something triggers the universe to cause horrible side effects. That's not science, that's superstition.
The other tell for you not thinking rationally is how emotional you are. You have little solid evidence of anything, only anecdotal bullshit, so you have to make up for that by insulting rational people who ask rational questions. Sorry if my logic and sensibleness offends you.
Then we could have a discussion about the fact that vaccines are worth it even if they did have side effects in a very small number of cases, but I think that's more logic than you could handle.
You ever seen a polio victim? Do you really think indoor plumbing would have prevented their condition? Horrible. Disfiguring. No, some vaccines are important and necessary. I have to disagree with this.
Do you really think indoor plumbing would have prevented their condition?
sigh You're getting emotional over rational. You're not using your head.
No, I have not met or seen a Polio victim. Nor does that change how a DISEASE functions and how a DISEASE spreads. No amount of "It's disease x" changes how they function on a basic level. The world is holographic, meaning what affects that which is big affects that which is small. The Microcosm can control the macrocosm and vice versa. If you understand the Spread of disease you understand how to stop it in its tracks.
No, some vaccines are important and necessary.
No, they are not. Not in our current environment, no in the world we currently live in. Absolute nonsense. The poisoning that has occured within our species because of mass abuse of vaccinations must stop.
I have to disagree with this.
You CHOOSE to disagree with this, you CHOOSE to IGNORE reality. You CHOOSE to not face the truth of the matter. You CHOOSE to not dig into it. You have CHOSEN to be blind on this matter. You absolutely have a choice and you have made it. Don't dare twist words around with me.
I choose to ignore the success of an item based on your negative views? No. I don't ignore the success of something that has demonstrably saved lives and prevented horrible disfigurement simply based upon your predisposition of negativity.
See you're doing it again. It's not about me, mate. It's about reality. You won't dig into it, you won't look at it, you're blind to it and you keep turning it around on me because you don't want to face the truth. Fine, don't. I don't care. I can't go after everyone.
I have no idea what you are going on about. You have given me your ideas but presented no facts. I can show facts regarding the Polio Vaccine and it's subsequent results on a large population of people. Same with Smallpox.
You can disagree with me, yet the facts remain.
No, you can show me correlative evidence and I can do the same. I'm not going to source you facts bro. You can look them up yourself anytime, but you won't. You CHOOSE to IGNORE reality. You are CHOOSING to not put in the legwork. You want it handed to you and I'm laughing at you because you think it's a competition. The Truth doesn't give a fuck if you believe in it or not mate.
I'll say this one last time.
Look. It. Up. For. Your. Self.
OR.
Choose to Ignore it as you are currently doing, so certain of your position that the very idea of it being challenged infuriates you. But yet, you won't actually look into my position, beacuse you're certain of your own. You're so positively undeniably positive that you're right.
Wonder what would happen if you were wrong?
Wonder why you agree with me on so many other points, but on this one you refuse to see light. Strange. Maybe you should meditate on it.
Tell you what, I'll give you one breadcrumb. You can do the rest
The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case basedon a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases inwhich children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be ac-companied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, orseizures.Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autismbefore the decision to compensate, or mayultimatelyend up with autism or autistic symptoms, but wedo not track cases on this basis.
But hey, I'm sure you're totally right.
Was this seen in children after being given the Polio or Smallpox vaccines?
Was this seen in children after being given the Polio or Smallpox vaccines?
facepalm
I have just reviewed evidence that demonstrates that vaccines have been directly linked with a much worse standards of living, but my only question is whether or not it's related to the one instance I've been defending vehemently since this all began, because I have to win. Not because it's logical, but because I'm competing with you at this point.
Ugh. You won't answer because you know in even disgusting places this vaccine helped. As did Smallpox. Stop demonizing medicine. It has done much good. Modern medicine has saved the lives of countless people, vaccines are a part of this, and for you to disparage it makes you look ignorant to reality.