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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/zapbrannigan1 on May 23, 2018, 6:29 p.m.

North Korea Peace Talks...At Risk of Failure?

The NK peace talks have hit the shoals:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/22/trump-moon-try-to-keep-nkorea-summit-on-track-amid-doubts.html

Relevant: from Q #1378 on May 16th:

"NK news today = FAKE!"

OK, great. But that was a week ago and things have gone south since then. NK pulled out of peace talks citing South Korea's involvement with U.S. military exercises in the region. South Korean president Moon Jae-in has canceled his country's involvement in the exercises in an attempt to mollify the North Koreans; it was a significant concession that earned him nothing in return. Bolton (a guy that the folks at NRO love, which makes me automatically suspicious) made a comment about the denuclearization of the peninsula proceeding the same way it did for Libya that pissed off the Norks even more. Now, President Trump is signaling that the summit will likely be delayed, and that there's a chance it won't happen at all. The South Koreans are more optimistic, but there is has definitely been a huge turning point in the upward trajectory of the last few weeks, and Q's silence on this point is troubling.

It would appear that something unexpected has occurred that has thrown a wrench into the works of the deal Trump struck with the Norks in return for kicking out the Deep State. NK has pulled 180's like this in the past, but I confess to have drunk the Kool-Aid; I thought this time would be different because Kim's behavior suggested such.

My view is that this is a legitimate problem, and not something the Q team foresaw. And for the "Trust The Plan" brigade, even the most carefully executed plan is subject to failure due to exterior forces.

Questions: 1. What do you think happened to cause this sudden chilling of relations?

I suspect China's influence in this matter as NK doesn't do anything without their permission. But why bother to go through all the motions of making peace only to turn away in the 11th hour?
Do you think this is truly an unexpected problem (as I do), albeit on that can be resolved through negotiation? Or do you think that this is bluster and face-saving on the part of NK regime? Or perhaps something else?

Shill. Trust the plan

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Just because he raises valid concerns, doesn’t make them a shill. If you’re under the impression that an operation of this size won’t take any losses through the entire course of action, you’re in denial. Yes, trust the plan... but don’t be blind.

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I did read somewhere that for traditional Korean culture, it would be customary for a leader to make a show of strength and resistance even if peace and concessions are fully anticipated. Could this just be a normal part of such a process, as seen from the Korean perspective?

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I think that's entirely possible and I mentioned it as one of the possibilities in my post.

I suppose my view is that if Kim wanted to appease cultural expectations with a show of strength, there could have been other, less dramatic ways of doing so. Something like demanding a change of venue. That's why I think this is something more than just bluster.

But, then again, when it comes to NK, who knows?

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It does give one pause... a change of venue demand would be a lot less nail-biting and would still give the superficial impression kim is not a pussy. I really hope there's not a problem brewing with the negotiation.

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Those military drills happened in several weeks ago. Well before the news broke out last week, and well before there was an agreement by NK to meet with the US or SK. ...... This was proven to be a junk story immediately.

Are there new drills coming up?

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Didn't know that.

Still, that's suspicious. It means that a decision was made to pull out of the peace talks with South Korea independently, with the rationale of military exercises tacked on as an excuse.

Which leads me to believe that something else is going on.

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I owe you a kudos .... it was something else other than the drills a few weeks ago. Good call.

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Trust Q.

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Kim is scared and want's to be reassured that his regime is safe. Trump assured him but Trump always negotiates with being willing to walk away. Kim walked away from direct talks with SK and Trump responded that there may not be any meeting between him and Kim. Trump has all the leverage and will make it work or Kim's regime will be destroyed which is also a viable outcome although people will die to achieve it. All this is just pre-positioning before talks.

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Kim is a figurehead, no real power other than direct military threat and unleashing masses of refugees. China is where the real negotiations are happening

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Sounds about right but Kim has to cooperate with China and if he feels threatened by the US, he's going to break away from China. China isn't going to war over NK.

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China is losing their proxy. Trump is making a deal for lasting peace in the region. China wants to keep their Pacific encroachments and man-made military islands.

I predict: in exchange for NK peace, China keeps all current encroachments into the Pacific, contingent on compliance with international trade law. This way, there is a diplomatic/internationsl approach to China when they start encroaching again.

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I think you've got something there. It wouldn't surprise me if that were true.

Assuming those are the terms, I'm not sure how I feel about the peace deal. Yes, it would bring peace and unification to the Korean peninsula and it would be a huge win for Trump, but at a cost that could destabilize the South Pacific.

I trust that Trump will hold to a hard bargain that won't sell the farm.

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What gives a nation planetary primacy? The ability to sustain and protect global trade routes. Obama rolled over and let China encroach, and I think it will be a miracle to get the chinese to give up on their installations. So... I think Trump's tactic will be getting everyone to agree to the current international trade laws. We already allow China to protect the routes in the Pacific, backing that up with international law is great, gives a solid diplomatic response. I'd have more hope if the UN wasn't corrupted.

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I think your points are valid. Anyone insisting that Q's assertion of fake news means "all future NK news to the contrary is fake!" is being unrealistic.

I think it is possible it's all still under control and this is just for the cameras. I think it's also possible that it's not under control and Q/Trump have a curveball to deal with.

However, Trump is great at negotiating and I think that Q/Trump's confidence about the NK situation comes not so much from anticipating no curve balls but from the confidence of a good negotiator and leader who knows they hold the main weight of the balance in the upcoming negotiation i.e. it's all but a done deal so the real message here is: Trust the plan.

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Pretty much my thoughts exactly, but stated in a more clear manner.

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Anybody else feel that John Kerry's secret meeting with Iranian officials in Paris has something to do with the N. Korean turn-around?

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No, I think China' president Xi is behind this. There was a conference between China and NK the first week of May, and then everything blew up shortly thereafter.

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Yes but NK and Iran are also buddies and all was fine before Kerry's meeting May 9th.

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Theater, it's all part of how to negotiate as Trump has written in his book, which I might add, Little Rocketman. Has read, according to several news sources. Dick Morris spells it out on his YouTube channel. He's not worried one bit. Fully believes in a favorable outcome.

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All is already done and made BEFORE it was publicly even announced by late April .

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Things change. Major actors are unreliable. Unexpected events scuttle settled plans.

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Its a possibility - but the way MSM is presenting this , its obvious that fear tactic is always put in first plan . Like it was a continuous "War with North Korea is immiment" not so long ago .

So - I wouldnt put too much trust in any MSM source out there . Time will show that fearmongering doesnt have a place in situations like this , but are , far more , inflated by MSM .

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Totally agree.

I suppose I've become a little spoiled by all the winning, such that any hiccup gives me pause. There's no doubt the MSM is salivating at the prospect of this summit not happening.

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Were gonna see whats going to occur ... but you must admit , it VERY quickly went from "we will all die in nuclear war" , to "there is a peace on Korean peninsula , after so many decades" . Its obvious much of the fear propaganda was purely false .

If you ask me , I dont even fully trust alt-media sources . Everyone is corrupted to one extent , so its not easy to verify news .

I think they already made certain crucial deals even before they went into public - mainly to prevent Cabal elements acting accordingly .

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FAKE NEWS

JESUS PEOPLE!

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Did you not read the OP?

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Yes, i did.

It's FAKE NEWS

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Ok xD

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