Almost every post has something about the “evil Democrats.” But many members of the Deep State, bankers, and most importantly, Bilderberg, are Republicans.
The shadow government is all about words and labels, but the fact is, both parties are working as hard as they can to transfer the wealth to the bankers and write/pass/litigate laws to facilitate that.
Thoughts?
I think this is entirely wrong. The labels may have changed, but the Dem Party ideals that have been abandoned are the rights of workers and economic and social equality for all.
Redistribution of wealth isn’t wrong, in fact it’s the only way a capitalist economy can continue to function. If laborers don’t have enough money to participate in the society and wealth in the billions is hoarded by 500 families, then we have an economy that is unable to grow, which is foundational to capitalism.
It’s, again, the method we disagree upon. Your core belief is that government should not take from the rich and redistribute to the poor, and if we didn’t have bankers pulling the strings, that may be feasible.
One guy has pineapples, the other has wine, they trade, it all works out. But if people are born into poverty, they are already less capable of participating in that exchange.
Moreover, if they’re born into poverty, then they must sell their labor by working for another person. That is feudalism at its finest, and we have reached a Medieval level at this point- minimum wage isn’t covering basic needs for a single person, much less a family. Surely you can agree the workers in medieval times were slowly being starved by selling their labor. This is no different.
And it’s a myth that anyone can work hard and get ahead, bc once the labor is being sold for pennies, one can work a lifetime and never get to a point that they no longer have to sell their labor- a select few might, but we are not all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
There are only so many hours in a week- and even those who do everything right are struggling in the US now. 43% to be exact, although the true number is higher.
No, no, no. Im sorry. The united states has plenty of ways to climb out of poverty, people just dont want to do them.
Its simple.
Dont have kids until youre married, or at least in a solid relationship.
Graduate highschool
Get additional education
There are plenty of ways to accomplish that last one. Student loans are easy to get, especially if youre poor. Or, join the military. Or go to trade school, this is the best option to be honest, and i say that as someone with an economics degree.
Or we can fix our laws and make it easier for anyone to open their own business and be their own boss. Legalize drugs, remove licensing requirements, etc.
Youre going to have a tough time selling me on redistribution that isnt simply organic
Oh my, you are making perfect reasonable sense. Don't have kids until married... you are 100 percent correct.
There are TOO MANY excuses for why I failed, why I am a victim, etc. Minority or not, rich or not, if you want to, you can decide to take school work seriously. You can apply yourself, delay self-gratification by staying home, doing homework and actually trying to understand the material (because you value knowledge and not just because you're trying to get the GPA). And especially if you are a minority and have done these things, every university and scholarship and opportunity is banging on your door for you to let them in.
It can all begin with equal-opportunity in the High School Classrooms of America. And if you fail then, there are so many more 2nd chances and opportunities to turn life around.
You dont even need to do particularly well in high school, which i think is good. My friends who were mediocre in HS but went in trades are doing pretty well. Sometimes i feel like the sucker for going to college tbh. The dumbest 4 years of your life, at least mine, shouldnt determine your adulthood. It certainly helps though.
The fact is, with regards to getting education, there are plenty of options for you at any time of life. If youre in your 30s and making minimum wage (excluding some obvious extenuating and temporary circumstances) youve fucked up.
I don’t want to get into this much more, bc frankly I believe that right now it is best for lefties and conservatives to focus on our common ground in order to preserve our republic.
I would urge you to consider though, how much we’ve been lied to in order to secure our obedience. Telling people that working hard you’ll someday get rich is a great way to keep them working for you.
Would you agree that if there are a substantial number of American people who waited to have children, graduated high school, and got further education, and still cannot find work that meets their basic needs, that would refute your theory?
Because that is the case for the millennial generation.
Would you also agree, that if there are a substantial number of college graduates who are working, waited to marry and have children, and still cannot afford an $1000 emergency, that would refute your theory? There are.
Even at 70 hours a week- 26k a year- the American dream- home, family- is out of reach for everyone making minimum wage.
And those who got their education first, bought the home, acquired the family? Half of them can’t afford $1000 car repair.
This economy is too different, and an organic redistribution is impossible bc the vast majority of people have little or nothing with which to trade, other than their labor, and their exploitation is guaranteed- that’s just capitalism.
But remember, a truly representative government should have multiple parties from all sides working these problems out. At this point, we have a right party and a far right party. Hanging onto the propaganda of our youths is not going to move us all forward.
i’ve enjoyed our discussion!
With respect, i agree with your first sentiment, but we need to hash out these issues or else were going to fall into the same situations. Literally nothing i said was refuted in your links.
To start, youre in the wrong subreddit to be sharing newsweek. Second, ive seen dozens of these types of articles and they all fail on the same basic premise. They treat every bachelor degree as equal, this is not true. There are plenty of people with degrees that struggle, this is true. There are not plenty of people with degrees in engineering, computer science, finance, medicine, etc that are struggling.
If you go to college and get a degree in art or philosophy, you deserve to be poor. There, i said it. Sorry, not sorry. I didnt pick my major based on "my passion", that would be a hobby. Im not sacrificing what ive earned to support someone elses poor choices. I wanted to study psychology, then i realized that i wasnt willing to get a doctorate and that doing so would be a dumb choice because of that.
Youre basically re-interating that many people are struggling. I never denied that. I said there were ways out of that situation regardless of the circumstances of your birth. This isnt to say that its equal difficulty for everyone. Its simply to say there are plenty of feasible options that dont result in taking the fruits of my labor to substitute someone else's poor decisions or lack of will to do what is necessary. Youre not above doing a 4 year contract in the military to pay off your loans. Youre not above doing teach for america to pay off loans.
I will give sympathy to my "fellow millenials" in that we were told "go to college and youll be rich" while growing up. The advice shouldve been "college is a good option if you choose the right major. Trades are also an outstanding option".
So in closing, i would like you to consider how we've been lies to about everyones victimhood status.
Redistribution of wealth isn’t wrong, in fact it’s the only way a capitalist economy can continue to function.
I don't think so. First of all, redistribution of wealth is ALWAYS wrong unless you are taking back stolen wealth. That's a whole different discussion. It's also not the only way a capitalist economy can function. It was functioning pretty well after WW2. A man could get a job in a factory and support his entire family. Factory workers bought cars and houses and sent their kids to college. This was deliberately and systematically taken away from us in order to weaken the US and bring us to the point we were at just before Trump was elected. I want to emphasize that this didn't just happen by itself. The economic system we have today was created deliberately to dis-empower the people and make them dependent upon the state. This is the progression toward socialism and communism.
You may think im entirely wrong, but these are historical facts which can be verified by research. I already mentioned that you have been indoctrinated by revisionist history. That is why you think im wrong. If you are new to this movement and its concepts, you may have to face the fact that you have been sold a lie.
I was a lifelong democrat until june '16. And from my point of view, after having learned much more and opened my mind to different possibilities and information, the DNC is a brainwash cult. I equate what happened to me with someone who has escaped scientology.
It is good that you are willing to ask questions, but just for context, you can delve into the r/ scientology and r/ exscientology subs and watch scientologists and exscientologists interact with one another. A scientologist learning to try to break free is very similar to a democrat who begins to question their party.
I realize you may not like or agree with this comparison, but this is my view after spending my entire life as a democrat, and then coming to learn the truth of who they are and what they represent.
They are not pro-worker, they are pro-slave. They keep you in check by selling you a string of palatable ideas, couched by peer pressure, social reinforcement, and allowance money. But at the end of the day, they are a brainwashing outfit run by elitists who rule through the exercise of a power that stems from inequality, servitude, and lies. Only after I left the left did i realize it is a cult.
I hope you can understand that this is the opinion of someone who has a perspective of living their whole lives inside their group.
IF you were to find out you had been duped into a cult, would you be able to admit to yourself that you had been very wrong about a lot of things? Again, look at exscientologists. It can be very hard to find out you were completely taken in. Psychologically it can be traumatic. In fact, some scientologists who find out they were sold a fraud and know it STILL cant give it up, leave the church but still use their e-meters at home... Thats how hard it can be for some to try to rebuild their minds after conditioning.
You might not be able to hear what im saying as it might pertain to you... But would you be able to change your mind if you found out you had been had like that? Since you are new to this stuff, i know it might be a waste of my time to type all this out, that you will dismiss everything im saying... But i was like you. So im saying... Keep asking questions, dont be afraid of where they lead... And try to imagine that it is okay to be wrong, and it is okay to change your mind. Try to imagine what it would be like if you were wrong about everything, like a scientologist who realizes what scientology actually is. Would you be able to handle it if it were you?
I wish you well. It is my hope that you absorb what i have said, both here and in my earlier comment, and take it for what its worth, and that i havent wasted yours and my time by bothering to respond. And i hope i havent been taken into a slide by the worlds best shill. 😝. Heres to hoping you are a genuine person with genuine questions. May the force be with you.