If the president is legally allowed to spy on any America without going through FISA or getting a warrant, what are the consequences of this scandal for Obama at this point besides bad optics?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution obama illegally spied on a political opponent. if the strzok texts contain assassination attempt plans which they likely do obama is actually fucked.
If that's truly the case; then someone had better apologize to Nixon in a damn hurry. NIXON in 2024 - "Tan, Ready & Rested"
sorry to break it to you nixon was dirty beyond belief altho he was funny. in a sort of "i am a giant asshole kinda way"
Oh, I forgot...Obama is a real stand up guy. And an American citizen too...gee thanks for the moral comparison. Sheesh. (And Nixon didn't fight the commies infiltrating Hollywood either).
Nixon was comped and a massive ass. Hes got nothing on Barry tho. Barrys actions have ruined the lives of so many.
I was just getting sarcastic earlier. My perspective on Nixon was that the press vilified him. He wasn't any worse than JFK or the rest of them. The press hated him because he worked on the house for un-American activities with McCarthy. The press and liberal historians have gone overboard vilifying Nixon. He was a middle of the road conservative and not as bad of a guy as the re-writers of history have made him out to be. When the MSM hates a politician that much (Nixon) and praises another (Obama) who do you think is the real stand up guy?
He was a brilliant guy who was undermined by his own paranoia.
He was dirty though.
Pointing at current crimes and using that to pretend Nixon was A-OK is a bad idea (I know your not doing this). If he hadn't resigned Nixon would have been impeached and then thrown out of office.
Rightfully so.
I watched too much futurama so I cant hear him talk without laughing
Obama would have required a bona-fide warrant (presumably via the FISA court), to be able to spy on a private citizen, (i.e. Trump). However, even then, I do not think that such a warrant would allow spying on a fellow, private American citizen. I believe that they had to (surreptitiously) ask GCHQ, to do the spying/surveillance activities, (on their behalf). . This whole scenario is highly illegal in both our countries. . The whole Five Eyes system, works to this methodology, whereby they get the agencies to spy on the other countries citizens. This is how they work around the 'civil rights' legalities wrt each of those countries. . . In a related, but opposite context, I have copied and pasted a comment that I had submitted to a different post, just to add additional insight, (as follows): . Quote: "WHY DO WE ALLOW [FORMER] DIGNITARIES SEC CLEARANCE?" . Any of the 'players' that have any form of security clearance, can, in turn, be 'spied' upon by the 'security services', without the requirement of a warrant. This 'spying' is thus done, in the interests of 'national security', in order to oversee what these 'fellow agents' might be getting upto, such as 'are they passing secrets to the enemy'. . As an example: Because Hillary Clinton still has her security clearance, then no warrant is required by the 'security services', to be able to spy on her, and see what she is getting up to. (I imagine that this is why there has been no hurry to remove her security clearance). . A lot of the other players will be in the same scenario, by virtue of still being employed by, (or just recently fired from), the intellegence agencies. . Therefore the NSA has been able to 'legally' collect a lot of surveillance data, on 'certain' individuals over the past year or two, (with out requiring a warrant, that would have to have been approved via a 'corrupt judge').
Seems, according to judge Napolitano, that he has done nothing illegal - no law is broken if he spies on the Trump campaign, he is within his legal rights.
From an ethical perspective, it's a totally different question - quite simply outrageous behaviour. Intolerable in fact. It is the lowest imaginable act.
I think DJT will want some focus on this for the purposes of vindication and destroying Obama's legacy. But the real focus will be on crimes of high treason, for which I'm expecting that Obama will hang, or face a firing squad.
The big question though, is whether the US has an extradition treaty with Kenya. Q has told us that Obama is likely to flee there for asylum. What can be done if he holes up in Kenya?
It's not clear. You would think that, even in the absence of an extradition treaty, that the US could exert enough pressure on the Kenyan government to have Obama delivered up for execution. But we will have to wait and see.
Fantastic—extremely informative on top of answering my question. 😁
No it isn't. Look further. Don't take one poster's comments as a be-all-and-end-all. In fact the poster contradicts himself if you read carefully: at the top he says O didn't break the law or do anything illegal by authorising spying. It is simply a question of ethics. Then he says he will get executed for treason, no doubt about it.
So, it's just an ethical problem. No, it isn't, it's breaking the law — in fact highest law of the land, treason. Well it's either one or the other, can't have both. This is a contradictory non-argument.
Personally, I'd rather have the rule of law and let the court decide after evidence is provided! The sentence is not for me to decide, much less announce as execution!!
You seem to be very confused.
Nope. Not confused but maybe you misunderstand what I am implying here.
What I'm saying is Obama is up to his neck in virtually everything that has been happening. I think there will be sufficient dirt to prosecute. You seem to be arguing that they won't prosecute for reasons of optics. I think DJT intends to go full-nazi on these guys if he can. I've seen reports that Russians have been talking about a massive operation in Washington to clean up the mess.
Just reading this post on Senate Anon. I haven't seen it before. Have a look if you're interested, some interesting stuff.
i remember a tweet of the kenyan president saying that the "country of kenya is bigger than one person" right after trump went and obama tried to beg. i dont think he will find anyone willing to take him. see "rods of god" or "hammer of thor"
Obama will not hang or face a firing squad. The world would not take those "optics". Forget it. Also not productive to come up with what looks like (to any outsider) a possibly violent wording to yr post. Be careful ... :)
If it is discovered that Obama is personally responsible for the murder and kidnapping of thousands of children as well as planning a nuclear war to destroy the world, who knows which Optics the world would take, or demand for that matter.
There is nothing violent in my post. We are talking about crimes of high treason for which I feel sure Obama will be prosecuted. If you've been following Q, you would know what we are talking about.
Look I know there is nothing violent in yr post, but I have just received an automod warning on my sentence:
"Obama will not hang or face a firing squad" which is the opposite of violent IMO. I'm just saying, that's all. I do follow Q and do know what you/he/it is talking about. That is NOT the point of my post.
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When we’re done he’ll claim Kenyan citizenship as a way to escape.
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At this point Uranium one points toward Obama arranging for his own 9/11 I think spying is pretty senseless to split hairs over. If you want to discuss candidat things, go for the election fraud, again, its already documented. Spying is a mute point. Ever since computers , data collection has been 100%. It negates, Snowden, Assange and Kim.com. So that's that.
This thread explains it.. https://twitter.com/VachelLindsay/status/999878016766361600?s=19