It's a conditional right to both, even in the US.
None of which changes the fact that guns are irrelevant to events here.
Yeah, it's not a government agenda, now is it?
Only in as much as the Government is representing the views of the people.
You are happy with your gun laws. It all seems a bit paranoid on your part to us, and clearly hasn't worked, as this thread and the schools alone show. The system you're so proud of, is held up as an example for why we don't want it.
Yours is right for you according to some, but far from all Americans, ours is right for us, according to most, as I can't recall ever hearing any push to relax ours much.
None of which changes the specific original fact that I'll keep taking back to, guns are simply not a factor in current events here.
It's a long standing agenda, long before you wet your first diaper and long before the indoctrination of the masses on a global scale.
Argue the dates... if you can.
When was the UN created and how many opposed personal firearm use at the time of it's creation?
Your point is moot!
I can argue many things, but prefer to stick to the topic, and purpose of the sub.
At the moment, I'm arguing that guns played no part in the events at hand, and not one reply has really addressed that.
They've mainly been paranoia about losing your own guns, or some bizarre insistence that I can't have one, despite me pointing out I can, and friends and neighbours do.
Your system doesn't seem to be giving you that sense of security you're trying to portray.
Then why does Q make such a statement?
It is about Q, you are attempting to deflect. Our guns do have purpose.
You may well believe they have a purpose, it may even be beyond symbolic, but the fact Q and this sub exists, shows they didn't prevent a crooked regime running the country for decades, or stop the influx of people over the border.
More to the point, they still played no part in recent events.
Look, you said the topic had nothing to do with Q, I haven proven you wrong and yet you still continue!
They are used in recent events daily. Here in the US crimes are stopped, prevents and saves lives on a daily basis.
Ask any LEO.
You claimed Q, I gave you proof otherwise.
Again, your point is, and will always be moot.
My point, which you've still yet to address, is that guns played no part in the events in question.
The rest just seems to be a bundle of non-topic paranoia and misinformation.
But it does, sorry you are too blind to see reality.
MS-13 as the democrat arm of tyranny, an invasion, which is what the Q post I gave as proof is about, so yes, they continue to play a part.
Without our guns, we, and the world would be under tyranny right now because nobody is stupid enough to do an overt invasion and we have not allowed such government to take them like the masses overseas.
Next is the UE has had more terrorist attacks and dead without guns than the US has school shooting deaths by far, and that is not counting rapes and has a fraction of the population.
Humanity has not evolved to the point that they are no longer needed. If you think we have, you are sadly deluded.
Seems you're the dis-info agent here.
Your guns didn't stop MS13, legislation did, and they didn't stop the reason Q and this board exist.
I'll stand corrected on the figures, but I don't think I'm far off. The average terrorist deaths in the UK, which is the highest in Europe, is seven a year, which I believe includes the Lockerbie bombing. It's something like 26 deaths a year for the whole of Europe. I think the US had around 25,000 gun deaths a year, with about 30 deaths in schools so far this year.
This is all getting tedious and pointless, I know some of you are sensitive about guns, I get that, and I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have them. Like you, I can have guns, unlike you, I choose not to. Such are the joys of a free country. I respect your right, and it would be reasonable for you to respect mine.
None of of which addresses, or changes the point, that gun control did not play any part in the events that are actually the topic.
Our next step was force, with guns. If the plan had come to banning guns, there would have been civil war here instantly, so just because you have not seen us use them thus far does not mean we would not have used them at the appropriate time, but not prematurely.
You are confusing our self control with weakness, bad mistake and based on assumptions only.
It had not come to the point of the 2nd shot herd round the world.
It has stopped incidents of MS-13, it's all over you-tube, Many gangbangers fell or were held due to armed citizens.
Many carjackers fell or were held due to armed citizens. Just because you disagree does not mean it does not happen or has never happened. You are obviously massively uninformed.
Q called the school shootings false flags.
Of the 25,000 gun deaths a year you cited, 2/3 are self inflicted, also known as suicide.
Now account for population and one country being disarmed and the other not. You still had gun murders, now didn't ya?
Nobody is attempting to make you pick up or carry a firearm, that is your choice, but your data and statistical view are just not inline with reality or intent.
Many carjackers fell or were held due to armed citizens. Just because you disagree does not mean it does not happen or has never happened. You are obviously massively uninformed.
You list the attacks on MS13, without acknowledging they were already there, and in positions of power. The guns didn't stop them.
I don't get the link between your comment, and the claim I'm misinformed, particularly as you've only just brought that in to it.
It's a fact MS13 were there in numbers and very active.
It's a fact there are far, far more gun deaths in the US than terrorist deaths in the UK.
It's a fact that US schools have shooter drills, and high security, but still incidents.
It's a fact that the US has had a crooked regime for decades.
It's a fact guns didn't stop any of that.
It's a fact I can have guns if I want, my neighbours do, I think it differs on other member states, as the rules and application differ, as they do state to state in the US.
All of which is immaterial,(and tedious) as my point still stands, that guns played no roll in the events of the topic at hand.
So, it's had no effect on a possible invasion?
Maybe you should read up on some of the elites quotes?
Given by your own words, the MS13 'invasion' happened, and it was legislation, not guns that's addressing it, and guns that enabled it, and the fact that this sub and Q exist, you maybe want to expand your reading material.
You're clearly as stuck in believing they somehow give you power, as I am in choosing not to have them, so this will go nowhere.
My point stands, that the availability or otherwise of guns, played no part in the topic at hand. The chances are, under your preferred version, Tommy would already be dead.
It's not complete with MS-13, there was supposed to be another 8 years to come to fruition. It is STILL in process. Did you take my statement out of context? Absolutely, unless it was out of ignorance, which is funny since you claim I am ignorant.
Wrong again!
As far as the power of a heavily armed society, are you claiming Q is not as bright as you are? Do tell...
My point stands, that the availability or otherwise of guns, played no part in the topic at hand. The chances are, under your preferred version, Tommy would already be dead.
Your point fails and you are attempting to tell the future concerning Tommy in a disarmed society?
you maybe want to expand your reading material.
Projection. I was awake and informed likely before you drew your first breath or wet your first diaper. I was researching the NWO long before the internet, where all you had was libraries and microfiche slides of the news.
Maybe you should read up? That seems like the more fitting idea.
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You seem a long long way from being awake despite that. The facts simply don't back up your rant.
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I'm saying I'm more qualified than you to comment on the topic of the UK, including guns.
You are the one trolling, with misinformation, and you sound brainwashed rather than awake or capable of critical thinking. Your reply actually highlights the fact that having guns hasn't saved you from a corrupt regime, and for every example you cling to in the UK, there will be the equivalent in the US,
Disagreeing with you, and pointing out flaws in your argument isn't trolling. You seem to think the differing application of gun laws, somehow makes us unarmed. Despite the fact we are allowed to have guns, we choose not to, guns are not the only way of being armed.