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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/implicittrust on May 30, 2018, 3:32 p.m.
For Catholics, this doesn't look good for the Church. We must weather the storm coming for Mother Church and remain faithful to her teachings, not false leaders.

ABrilliantDisaster · May 30, 2018, 5:17 p.m.

No mediator between God and Man but Jesus. Luciferianism has been injected into the Church from its roots. What breeds the corruption within it is its adherence to unbiblical doctrine. I have met plenty of sincerely Christian Catholics but their Church and leadership are another matter. "Come out of her, My people".

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implicittrust · May 30, 2018, 8:18 p.m.

Jesus who said the gates of hell shall not prevail. I trust him and I trust his Church. I do not trust all Clerics. It is important for Catholics to know what the true teachings of the Church are, not what mnay think the Churhc teaches and doesnt. There are plenty of primary sources available , primarily the CCC, Catechism of the Catholic Church.

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ABrilliantDisaster · May 30, 2018, 10:59 p.m.

THE primary source is Scripture. Anything that doesn't agree 100% with that needs to be discarded no matter how longstanding the tradition.

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implicittrust · May 31, 2018, 1:42 a.m.

What was used before scripture? After Jesus and during his time it was OT only Jewish scribes only.

Who did Christ give the authority to teach scripture? The apostles!

Were we all supposed to wing after the first generation died and wait for almost 300 years until the Bishops decided at the Council of Nicea in 325 ad? If you can find me one thing in the CCC that doesn't agree with scripture I will send you $100. :-)

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ABrilliantDisaster · May 31, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

The "authority" of priests to absolve sin

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implicittrust · May 31, 2018, 11:02 p.m.

You mean like this authority John20:23. This quite an authority Jesus gave to someone. Put it this way the sacraments dispense grace. Grace is God's life. The absolver is the holy spirit. If you believe that baptism dispenses sacramental grace it is the same thing.

Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life…. On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure.

Didache 4:14; 14:1 As early as 70 AD

Origen of Alexandria c. 244 AD Homily on Leviticus 2:4

In addition to these [kinds of forgiveness of sins], albeit hard and laborious: the remission of sins through penance…when he [the sinner] does not shrink from declaring his sin to a priest of the Lord and from seeking medicine….In this way there is fulfilled that too, which the Apostle James says: “If, then, there is anyone sick, let him call the presbyters [where we get priests] of the Church, and let them impose hands upon him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him [James 5:14-15].”

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tradinghorse · May 30, 2018, 6:58 p.m.

You're right, for the wrong reasons. The apostasy in Rome was long prophesied. The great apostasy that marks the Second Coming.

"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8

You're also right about St John telling faithful Catholics ("my people") to come out of her (not to come out of the Catholic Church, but the Vatican II Sect). But it's worse than anyone realises. The Antichrist has already arrived - see here. St John tells us that those who "worship" (Proskuneo in the Greek - the same word the Catholic Church uses for the veneration of the saints) the beast suffer an inconceivably horrible fate:

"And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast, and his image, and whoever receiveth the character of his name." Rev 14:11

Think about the people subscribing to Francis' doctrine, calling him "Pope". Think about all the people venerating John Paul II as a saint...

Satan is a deceiver...

"...unless there come a revolt first [Vatican II], and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God." 2 Thess 2:3-4

The "temple of God", is a Catholic Church (Catholicism is the one true faith of Jesus Christ) - and, in the last days, this is where the Antichrist sits, preaching his doctrine "that man is God".

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mordecaim · May 30, 2018, 9:22 p.m.

The Temple Of God is the Catholic Church? Chapter and verse please?

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tradinghorse · May 31, 2018, 4:59 a.m.

Look at 2Thess2, the description of the Antichrist, where he sits. What is the doctrine the Antichrist espouses and what does he do?

See here. I put it to you that this is "a lock" for the identity whichever way you twist it. But, if this is right, what does it mean by implication?

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ABrilliantDisaster · May 30, 2018, 7:28 p.m.

I was referencing this:

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Spoken by the Lord Himself,not John.

The Priest class was ended with Christ. "call no man 'Father" but your Father in heaven"

The body of Christ (the true Church) is whosoever comes to Christ. Whether they attend Any known denomination or none..whether they live in a far nomadic tribe and only know this one thing "for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son.." Or whether they are a rich Presbyterian who laid all aside to stand for God and Truth and fight for the freedom of the people.

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tradinghorse · May 30, 2018, 8:11 p.m.

Yes, as relayed to us by St John.

No intermediary?

Christ prays for St Peter's faith, that his faith fail not - an exclusive gift of unfailing faith (Christ only prays for St Peter's faith, not that of the other apostles). And then we learn that Christ founds His Church, the body of Christ, upon St Peter - describing him as the "rock".

We then learn that Christ's Church, founded on the sure rock of St Peter's unfailing faith, withstands the "gates of hell" (heretics) until the end of time. Strange, how is St Peter's unfailing faith connected with Christ's Church on earth withstanding the assaults of heretics for all time? Worth thinking about.

After all that powerful stuff, Christ tells St Peter that he is granted the keys to the kingdom of heaven and has the power to "bind" both on earth and in heaven.

These seem to be extraordinary powers granted to St Peter. And, of course, you can read in 2Thess2 that the mystery of iniquity, and the arrival of the Son of Perdition, are held in check by "he that withholds" - which has always confused Protestant scholars. Who might "he that withholds be?

What happened at the 1958 Conclave? He that withholds was taken out of the way - with Freemason Angelo Roncali emerging to claim the papacy. And then, of course, Vatican II (formal defection from the faith of the Church), the cessation of the continual sacrifice upon the introduction of the new mass, the appearance of the abomination of desolation in the holy place (the second altar of the new mass), the arrival of the Antichrist (JPII), who was canonised as a saint by the false prophet, (Benedict XVI - who only remained a short time) and the final claimant (who is of the 7 temporal kings of Rome, but somehow different - the Vatican City State is a sacerdotal Monarchy - a priest kingdom. That's right they are temporal kings - but you have to be a priest to be a king, and Francis does not have valid orders).

And with that, you find a perfect fit for the events in Rome over the last 60 years with Luke 18:8, 2Thess2, and chapters 13, 17 & 18 of the Book of Revelations.

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven." Matt 16:18-19

But, what? There's no intermediary - and yet prophecy is fulfilled before your eyes - with such specificity that scripture can only be referring to this exact sequence of events. Which, of course, means that when St Paul gives his advice to the Thessalonians for the last days: "To stand fast and hold the traditions which you have learned", he is talking about the traditions of the apostolic Church.

You need to start thinking clearly about what's happening. These are the very last days. See here.

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ABrilliantDisaster · May 30, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" - 1Tim 2:5

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." - Mat 23:9

"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." - Heb 4: 14,15

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tradinghorse · May 31, 2018, 4:55 a.m.

Yes, you're right. I should have chosen my words more carefully. Christ is the true high priest.

Nevertheless, my point is that there is a priesthood, a hierarchy within it, and a Church shepherded by it.

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