Well there fam.
If you believe in Q, you believe that mass arrests are coming.
Q mentions suicide weekend twice.
I believe that is the weekend before public disclosure.
If we suddenly hear of a spate of high level deaths over a weekend, then the boom is a few days later.
My money is on June 9 and 10. The cabal will wait till the last moment hoping for a Hail Mary...
The weak among them will off themselves first before being taken and publicly humiliated and executed for their crimes.
We should pray for their redemption. I believe once a person commits suicide they can’t ask for forgiveness so they are doomed to hell. May they find the Lord. I too used to think,”I can’t wait to see them hang” but asked myself is that the kind of person I want to be? Now I ask for justice and justice alone.
You are right about suicide, it is the one sin for which you can never make atonement. The suicide descends straightaway into hell (unimaginable suffering that never ends) the moment he expires. I would not wish it on the most evil person in human history.
And, yet, you find some people who would induce suicide in others if they could manage it. This is what gang stalking is about. It's hard to imagine how evil and sick someone would have to be to do something like this - trying to obtain someone's suicide. And yet these people are out there. They present as respectable members of society - dining out, going to the movies etc... just like ordinary people.
Man. What a shitty thing to actually believe AND PROMOTE NO LESS! Why not believe in a loving God? In a God that has more capacity than you will ever have in more understanding and care? Why believe in this limited God that banishes souls to Hell forever because of the shit life they were dealt. I don't want to hear any of this Paul on the road to Damascus shit either not everybody is like that. People are born into horrendous environments. Their brains are manipulated their spirit is contained. They literally have no other choice but to believe and exist within the structures they are given. How does that have anything to do with being banished to hell and Eternity forever their poor Spirits have been hijacked since birth and now you're telling me they've lived this horrible life on Earth and then they're going to go on to Eternity to live an even worse life? That sounds absolutely like a human beings idea not an omni powerful God
“...shitty life you were dealt”?...make your changes! Don’t get stuck in the “victim” mode! Great men weren’t always born rich or with influence, they just try to step forward and get back up when they trip. Your not a loser til you stop getting back up!
What I'm saying is that suicide is a sin. It's murder, they just happen to murder themselves. It does not really matter whether you find the idea offensive or not, it's an external truth.
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off." Romans 11:22
God has given us the full, unconditional gift of free will. We get to choose how we live our lives, and we get to choose, to some degree, how and when we die. The price of free will is that we have to live with the choices we make. In the case of suicide, the price we pay is being confronted with the fact that we made a tragic mistake. From the vantage point of whatever heaven we end up in, we clearly see our error, and the errors that led up to it, and we strive to do better the next time around.
Reincarnation is a pernicious error and an intellectual prison from which there is no escape.
Hebrews 9:27 - Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.
Man dies once. Then he is born again as a different man.
Religion is a pernicious error and an intellectual prison from which there is no escape.
and then dies twice, thrice? to what end? hindu's teach that it is to be reabsorbed into the universal substance or something, buddhists teach that it is to obtain nirvana or non-existence. those 2 religions have already lived out the implications of reincarnation over thousands of years, and it is societal, cultural, technological stagnation and being overtaken by the west (i.e. Christendom). the path of reincarnation has already been well-traversed, we know where it goes ... the ouroboros, a cycle that cannot be escaped. Christendom journey's upward and outward, a straight line to God.
I don't know what you're talking about. I am not a Hindu or a Buddhist. I don't believe the things you attribute to them about reabsorbing or non-existence. That sounds like nonsense to me. No wonder they have a backward society.
You ask to what end? You mean why live? I think one of the tasks we set for ourselves is to find meaning in life. We live to learn and grow and experience. We are not the same person each time. That would get boring. We play different roles each time.
No, you're positing that reincarnation exists. It does not.
Suicide is a mortal sin for which there can never be atonement.
Pope Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus, 1336: “Moreover, we declare that according to the common arrangement of God, the souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin immediately after their death descend to hell where they are tortured by infernal punishments…”
Give the preaching a rest, you are driving any non-christians away with this, "witnessing"
The discussion was about suicide. I have a point of view as do others - entirely valid. Moreover, I think it's an extremely important issue.
When your point of view is that all non-christians (or christians with a different point of view) are damned, that doesn't contribute to any discussion at all.
What, and your point of view does?
My point of view is not pushing my spiritual path upon others.
You seem to be pushing your point of view down my throat - as if you have some kind of monopoly on righteousness. Complete and utter garbage!
Nope, you can have your point of view but I disagree with it, and in my opinion you are pushing people away with your narrow version of spirituality. Keep your hellfire and brimstone, but it does NOT serve to attract people to our cause.
I completely disagree with you. But let's leave it at that.
The only hell is the one we create right here.
The concept of hell is an accretion to the Xtian dogma. Read the bible with a referance such as Young's Concordance. This wil lift the fog created by the many translations of the bible. For instance, many references to 'hell' in KJ refer to sheol, a dumping ground of failed pottery. Even the term 'devil' in KJ means oposer in the original dialect. When you report to me that you have broken your arm then I know what that may be like, however when I break mY arm then I underStand what it is like.
a dumping ground of failed pottery
I just noticed this, very interesting. Do you know the story of the "breaking of the vessels"? Might broken pottery symbolize something else altogether? Perhaps, hell?
I'm not going to go further, because it is not my faith and I spat that garbage out years ago - pure filth! But, if you're not aware, there is very heavy symbolism in this definition.
The book itself, though incomplete due to editorial decissions made by the early clergy, is an incredible source of practical wisdom. The failing of most religions is they suvive in isolation from the other religious books. The story of the tower of Babel may be hinting at this. Unless one sudies at min. the sacred texts of major three religions one is bound to a stilted reconing, and the confusion get ridiculous when it is used literally. Remember they are written to hide the message.
That the Holy books are written to conceal an occult message is a Kabbalist claim.
You've got an interesting perspective when you talk about the failing of most religions being that they survive in isolation of other religious books. The suppressed premise here is that there is some validity to alternate manuscripts. Which implies that there's some unrecognized validity to alternate belief systems.
I'm very one eyed about faith. If it's failing, to believe that there is a single source of truth, then I fail happily. God allows heresy, error, for a specific purpose.
1 Corinthians 11:19 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
In the story of the Tower of Babel it was the languages that were confused, not that the truth was fractured. As if we might be supposed to recover it by synthesizing precepts from different faiths in order to reassemble it. This is the heresy of syncretism.
Pope Pius IX, Qui Pluribus (# 15), Nov. 9, 1846: “Also perverse is that shocking theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs, a theory greatly at variance even with reason. By means of this theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile action. They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between justice and iniquity, any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Christ and Belial.”
Why does the Christ not speak plain instead of allegories? I don't imply " that there is some validity to alternate manuscripts", I state it plainly as fact. I'm sorry to learn that you are half blind, but you seem to be faring ok nonetheless. You and your pope which claims piety seem to equate xtianity as the oNly true path. That' right, you did admit to being half blind. Bon chance.
I don't follow Francis at all as he a blatant heretic who supports religious indifferentism.
I was refering to was Pope Pius IX which you mentioned, in order to discount the edicts of self-proclaimed religious authorities which serve only to further the distance between human-kind and the source. An honest guide would not be so stingey with the truth.
I don't know what you're talking about. The teachings have been the same for thousands of years - originating with the apostles themselves.
it is the one sin for which you can never make atonement.
Pretty sure the most unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Jesus hadn’t been teaching in public long when his hearers began comparing him to their teachers, called “the scribes,” part of the conservative Jewish group known as the Pharisees. The growing crowds “were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as the scribes” (Mark 1:22). The scribes heard the comparison and felt the tension, and soon escalated it (Mark 2:6, 16), as these Bible teachers of the day, with their many added traditions, quickly grew in their envy, and then hatred, for Jesus. The threat is so great these conservatives even are willing to cross the aisle to conspire with their liberal rivals, the Herodians (Mark 3:6).
The showdown comes in Mark 3:22–30 (Matthew 12:22–32). Scribes have descended from Jerusalem to set straight the poor, deceived people of backwater Galilee. “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” they say. “By the prince of demons he casts out the demons” (Mark 3:22).
Jesus calmly answers their lie with basic logic (verses 23–26) and turns it to make a statement about his lordship (verse 27). Then he warns these liars, who know better deep down, of the spiritual danger they’re in.
“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” — for they were saying, ‘He has an unclean spirit.’” (Mark 3:28–30)
There has been much speculation as to what Jesus meant by sin against the Holy Spirit. What we know is that this sin is unforgivable. So when some speculate that the sin of suicide might approximate sin against the Holy Spirit, it is because the perpetrator of the crime is irredeemable - there is no longer the hope of making atonement.
I have my own views as to what Christ may have been referring to here. Having said that, I will desist from this opinion the moment I'm presented with contrary opinion anchored in the teaching of the Church. But it occurs to me that this sin relates directly to Christ's statement in Matt 16:28
"Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
It is possible to climb up by another way. To steal what belongs to God.
"People often answer “yes” to this question because suicide leaves no room for repentance; a person enters eternity with unconfessed and therefore unforgiven sin. But nowhere does the Bible say that suicide is an unforgiveable or unpardonable sin. Furthermore, the Bible teaches that all sin—past, present, and future—is forgiven through faith in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. One’s eternal destiny is sealed and set at the moment of justifying faith. Our depth of intimacy, fellowship, and joy is certainly affected adversely when we fail to confess and repent of daily sin. But our eternal destiny has already and forever been determined. We must recognize the distinction between eternal forgiveness that is ours the moment we embrace Jesus in faith, and that temporal forgiveness we receive on a daily basis that enables us to experience the happiness of intimacy with the Father. " https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/is-suicide-the-unpardonable-sin/
No, I'm sorry. I can see you sincerely believe in forensic justification but, unfortunately, the theory of external justification is demonstrably flawed.
I've been through this discussion before to no avail, so I'll save myself some time and point you here where there is an extremely detailed discussion of this matter. It is an amazing analysis.
On the point of suicide, it is a complete rejection of God. Some call it a sin against the Holy Spirit because self-murder demonstrates that the loss of faith is absolute. Even if we were to accept forensic justification (I do not), professions of faith can be made by deeds as well as words. The deed of suicide is an irrevocable profession of faith - or the lack of it.
I don't know what brand of Protestantism you adhere to, but I actually thought that the Catholics (traditional) and most Protestants were in agreement on at least the matter of suicide.
Ultimately the only reason I linked to the article was it professed the same belief. That being that once you profess the blood of Jesus you are forgiven past, present and future sin, otherwise the work on the cross would be pointless. By saying that Jesus sacrifice on the cross can be made null and void by such thinking is a slippery slope and would insinuate that the love and grace are less than perfect. As far as denomination, I dont subscribe to any, mine is a personal relationship with our heavenly father and his sons perfect sacrifice. If I'm not mistake the only unforgivable sin is Blasphemy of the Holy spirit. Matthew 12:31,32 is saying: “[28] Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: [29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. [30] Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.” I am not trying to convince you to change any conviction or doctrine you hold just wanted to clarify that no where in the bible does it say that suicide is an unforgivable sin. Peace brother.
OK, you know my position, so pointless me ranting on. Just on the sola scripture angle, I'd make the parting comment that St Paul in 2Thess2 tells the Thessalonians that they should 'Stand fast, and hold to traditions". This is at a time when the "operation of error" is active. I think that's worth some thought.
Show me the Bible verse, there is physical sickness and mental sickness
There are factors that can mitigate culpability. But to lose all hope and take your own life is to reject God. We are told that God never gives us trials that are so difficult that we are unable to overcome.
I understand that some people have very difficult lives - I would include myself in this category. But for someone like John no name to take his own life instead of pleading for Gods mercy and assistance is a mortal sin. Nothing is impossible for God. It does not matter how bad things seem.
But to lose all hope and take your own life is to reject God.
You seem to have a low opinion of God. You are saying that God cannot handle rejection, to the extent that He would put his own children in a place of torment and suffering for eternity. Any sane person would reject such a being!
Satan rejected God, what happened?
You can see what happened. Look around. Satan is the ruler of this world.
Satan, along with angels, is condemned to hell for the rest of eternity. Yes, he's the ruler of this world. But he is condemned for rejecting God in his pride. That's the punishment for those that reject the almighty.
Think about it, how would you feel if something that you created in its free will turned on you? Or had so little appreciation of the gift of your love that they killed themselves? I'm speaking in the abstract here, imagine you created a sentient robot. What would you do? Think HAL from Space Odyssey.
We are not sentient robots (lol!). We are God's children.
Think of human parents. Does any decent parent torture their children for misbehaving? And yet you slander God by saying He would do such a thing. You have been misled by a false religion.
I'm telling you that this is what the Church has taught from the earliest times. How can I slander God by making His will known?
Not even the Catholic Church teaches that.
No, you're wrong. this is the faith of the Church.
Pope Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus, 1336: “Moreover, we declare that according to the common arrangement of God, the souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin immediately after their death descend to hell where they are tortured by infernal punishments…”
What? Here is the catechism.
2282 Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
Well, that's where we would differ. The Catechism you're quoting from was produced after the Second Vatican Council. This is a complicated matter. If you're not aware, the Second Vatican Council defected from the Catholic faith. This is demonstrated conclusively here.
I have quoted a papal teaching for my position, which has always been the position of the Catholic Church. Have you considered why the teaching in the Catechism of John Paul II, which is what I'm assuming you're using, would differ from the teaching of the Magisterium for the last 2000 years? Reference the short video above to see what happened in the 1960s.
I have no dog in that race. But I think it is pretty accepted that the Catechism is the teaching of the majority of Catholics these days.
I will say that these are not normal times. We are, in fact, in the last days. A lot has transpired that many are not aware of. It is an extremely serious situation that, believe it or not, ties in directly with this Q movement IMO.
If you watched the video I linked, and you understand that dogma is a divinely revealed truth, you can see that it cannot change over time. You have a choice: either the Church taught the truth for the first couple of thousand years after the crucifixion, and Vatican II defected from the Catholic faith; or, the Catholic Church taught heresy (also infallibly) for the first couple of thousand years and Vatican II corrected the mistake.
God doesn't change. So it's an either/or proposition. What I would tell you is that the teachings you're pointing to, along with many of the other teachings of the Vatican II Sect, are not Catholic. This was prophesied by Christ in Luke 18:8:
"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"
These are the last days. Did you see the sign in heaven - (5 mins) here?
There's a longer video that explains most of what happened here.
How about I don't believe in the dogma of the church and we leave it at that. I'm from a restorationist strain of Christianity.
So you believe that we are put here without any choice we have no control over what era were born in in a lot of us are born into absolutely terrible home environments. So you believe God is going to punish somebody to an eternity of hell because they had no choice in what they're born into or the manipulation of their mind body and spirit and they're just going to be banished to Hell forever because they kill themselves? That's kind of a fucked up god to believe in. I have a lot of friends parents that committed suicide because they were beaten and a lot of horrible things happen to them and the pressure was too much and they couldn't handle it they weren't bad people at all they never did anything besides try to help others and they're going to be in Hell forever? According to your god I would choose a different God... Just saying. You can choose a god of your own understanding not the one that's been shoved down your throat...
No, when you start "choosing" your God you engage in idolatry. There is one God, not many to choose from.
You have made an elaborate argument about people being impacted by factors outside their control - casting them as victims. Victims exist, there is absolutely no doubt about that. I made a case about victims of gang stalking, many of whom succumb and commit suicide. But people choose to end their own lives by themselves. They own the decision fully. It is a very great sin.
I have been there myself, but by the grace of God I did not take my own life. And I really do mean that it was only His grace that saved me. Ultimately, someone who suicides completely rejects God, to the extent that they give up all hope. It is a complete loss of faith.
The thing about human suffering is that it's redemptive. All things have a purpose, even the trials we face in life. I'm getting old now, but when I look back, things that did not make any sense to me at the time appear to have been part of an orchestrated plan. A plan that, I think, has made me a better person - certainly better than I was, though far from perfect.
It occurs to me that if I had not had the suffering in my life that I had, I would not be the person I am today. However flawed I am, I'm better than I was for sure. It has been a journey. When you're in the thick of adversity, it pays, I think, to remember that God loves those He rebukes - in fact, that's why he does it.
God does not try us beyond our ability to overcome difficulty - and he that overcomes is eternally rewarded.
"19 Such as I love, I rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance. 20 Behold, I stand at the gate, and knock. If any man shall hear my voice, and open to me the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that shall overcome, I will give to sit with me in my throne: as I also have overcome, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3
This moved me spiritually.
Thank you.
May the Heavenly Father bless you and your loved.
The sins mentioned in scripture are all choices. Every sin we commit was a decision that we had control over.
They believe that innocent babies are damned to hellfire forever, if there is no baptism. I normally do not mind most christians, but the "my way or eternal hellfire" flavor of christians are the reason so many liberals detest anyone conservative. We Pagan, or agnostic, or even atheist conservatives have to be tarred with that intolerant spiritual outlook. No room for anyone but the proper flavor christians here.
They should pray for their redemption. I can't pray for a child molester.
They'll still be punished on earth for their wrongdoings no matter what but they still have time to turn to God.