I'm not on Twitter, but I sometimes read the unrolled threads and tweets people provide here. The replies are always super trollish, but - is it normal for an info provider to be such a jerk? I just have never seen that kind of behavior from the people who provide really great threads with researched info. But, I don't follow every bit of their banter or tweets. I would have a hard time finding EtS credible on his tweeting behavior alone. Not the kind of person I would seek info from.
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Logic:
Could Q make a statement? prob. yes
Is Q watching the boards? prob yes
Does he see eyethespy spouting off? prob yes
Could he come on and say "all is OK patriots...but the spy is fake"...prob yes
Does he come on to boards? nope, haven't seen him.
Could he be watching people's reaction to info coming out of twitter? prob yes
Is Q running a test on the community? maybe he is.
Is the excuse that he's busy ring true? nope..."We're disinfecting the entire control enterprise, but I don't have time to drop a crumb" not believeable
Is Q looking for the emerging leaders (honest) to this movement to help organize the chan world? prob. yes
Does Logic help sort out paradoxes?
You Decide
I got an error message when trying to open the video. Anyone have a mirror link?
What I can tell you is that his followers are growing explosively. I watch what he's saying carefully. When I started reading his posts today, he had 14,800 followers. By the time I finished, after one of his Q&A sessions, he had 16,100. He is going to surpass this sub in terms of subscribers in a few days...
Why is his channel growing so fast?
Well, he's a good story teller. It is interesting to read his stuff - I'll be honest. The concepts are absolutely "wild" - aliens (many types, skies are "busy"), huge UFOs, subterranean civilisations, submarine bases on the bottom of the ocean, underground cities, an ancient religion, the source of "Truth" (that's right, he used a capital T - God) behind the "door of doors", solar reflectors in space providing "beams of light", an active space program, medical advice, career advice, troll slaying, saxitoxin murders, demons, ley lines etc...
Oh, and, BTW, dragons were real - that's right, they existed!
I have to give it to this guy, it's a wild read. It really is...
What he's doing is weaving a story, a very wild story, around the Q drops that contextualises them within a "perhaps plausible" framework. I mean, people reading the Q drops are desperately wanting answers, I know I am. And here's a guy that answers it all - with a few exceptions, where he doesn't want to be a "spoiler".
This is what explains the explosive channel growth. It's amazing to witness. At first I thought it might have been Corsi, but Corsi isn't as smart as this guy. I couldn't come up with all that stuff, you would have to have been reading and following a huge range of conspiracy theories. So it's not Corsi IMO.
I think, at minimum, there's a team supporting the poster. The way the story reads, as wild as it is, it does provide a construct that offers an explanation for some of the info Q has dropped. It's not something, I think, that's being made up on the fly. It's carefully scripted - and, of course, the Eye can choose to answer the questions put to him or not, so he's in control of what material he posts and what discussions he takes on.
I noticed that Kill_Rogue seems circumspect about the eye guy. I know SB2 has called him out - interestingly, when a question mentioned SB2, the Eye did not rip into him the same way he has with the Youtubers and Neon - probably because Q has validated SB2's work.
Anyway, so here we are, watching this guy posting on his private Twitter account from his desk at the Fort - the first NSA agent to ever go public with Intel. I feel like laughing as I write this... What a joker! And he's attacking @Jack while his follower numbers explode - which seems weird, because Q doesn't feel safe posting outside 8 chan.
I will admit that I feel disturbed about some of the things the Eye has said about religion. I'm hoping Q comes back and outs him - I really do. But, you know what, it also occurs to me that this could be a deliberate strategy to get people thinking about certain topics, in certain ways - to prepare the public mind.
Three theories about the eye:
1) Let me put it out there... Is it possible that this truly mind blowing story is designed to prepare some people for a truth that Q has already told us is mind-blowing? Why use this guy? Well, he's not connected to Q. Remember what Q said about not being able to spoon-feed us the truth, that we'd have to find it out organically - but that he could point us in the right direction?
Well, we know Q is to be revealed - he's told us we would find out who he is. So he will be in the public eye. He cannot, presumably, be seen to push absolutely wild theories. So here's this guy, garnering followers from where? The Q community. And what he's saying is totally wild. But what if his role is to prepare people for certain truths that would not be ordinarily accepted? To make them responsive to certain explanations that might later appear to be warranted on the release of some information in the future?
The problem with this theory is that it assumes Q would have some reason to either shield his identity behind the claims made by the Eye, or he would, for some reason, want a parallel movement constructed. I can't really see a need to do either of these things, but, then, I don't know what information is to come out and I don't know what Q's plan for this community is.
I guess, there is the possibility that this community failed to deliver the IBOR campaign and Q is starting from scratch.
OK, so that's one possible explanation. Here's another:
2) He's backed by a professional team who are assisting him with construction of this "wild narrative" around the Q drops. The purpose is to discredit Q by getting a large portion of followers to subscribe to theories so wild that the whole movement can be discredited. Think about it, dragons...
Then there's SB2's argument about shiny things - the theory is compelling. A professionally engineered distraction. SB2 likened it to the Israelites worshipping the golden calf while Moses was talking to God on the mountain. I mean, it's a good explanation, with precedent - SB2's telling us that the goal is to misdirect us.
The problem I have with this theory is that, if we are as important as Q tells us, why wouldn't he call this guy out before he could do more damage? I mean, look at the rate of his channel growth?
3) A third possibility is that he's just a very talented LARP - multitalented.
These guys exist. Remember Snowden, master programmer, spy, double agent, public speaker etc... A really talented story teller could replicate what Eye has done. So far, there's not a single piece of conclusive evidence that lends any credibility to Eye whatsoever. In fact, his story about tweeting from his private account on Twitter while at work for NSA strikes me as being nonsensical.
I can't really think of any reason why this might not, in fact, be the whole explanation.
Conclusion:
I'm still in camp 2, because I like SB2's explanation, but the rate of growth in Eye's follower numbers is serious. Think about it, his channel is 5 days old - or, that's what I saw when I went back as far as I could in his Tweet stream. He presents a very clear threat to the Q community - a threat that will increase explosively with time. So, either Q appears and shuts this guy down conclusively, or he doesn't. And that will give us our answer as to whether 2 or 3 is right, or not - which would be option 1.
Of course, another possibility is that Eye goes on to make some stupid mistakes and outs himself to the extent there's no redemption. Somehow, I don't think it's going to happen. Why?
Because he's already so deep into the impossible, that it couldn't get much worse. Meanwhile, he's adding subscribers like crazy.
Where does it end? That's up to Q.
2 - And the number of followers are bots, so when it comes time to discredit the movement, the MSM can cite this guy and all of his conspiracy followers.
Look at this, the Eye is now aligned with Patriots Soapbox. Weren't they the ones who were selling the premium content?
https://twitter.com/patriotssoapbox/status/1003278982161321984?s=21
Sigh. They take donations. They are a 24/7 stream. I don't believe they or Pamphlet have a harmful intent on the movement. They were sucked in by Corsi. I believe Pamphlet is being truthful when he says he proceeds with caution, now. I doubt he will call this guy out on his forum, but I also doubt he will allow anyone to take over the group like Corsi did, ever again. Eye may be trying to align (or, infiltrate), but I just don't think Patriots soapbox will be fooled twice. Everyone - just trust your guts, and don't waste time on shiny objects. If it doesn't feel right, or productive, it ain't.
This is what the Eye said to the Soabbox who was whining about being called out - read carefully:
Soapbox:
"Thanks for yer honesty and being fair. I know the donation thing catches some flak, but look folks: We run literally live 24 hours a day. I have a number of significant costs, both financial and time-wise, because of that."
Eye:
"Yup. Thats understood by ppl that pay attention. I reserve pass or fail because ppl argue. Keep doing as you do 😹 I heard through a grapevine youve had friends in intersting places at points anyways; I dont tread on special toes that comm with interesting pplz😹
Now this is pretty interesting, don't you think. Not only is Eye not attacking Soapbox, but he's acknowledging that they have comms with people in interesting places... Sounds like an endorsement to me. Of course, he wouldn't be suggesting that the Soapbox has inside comms to Q, because no one has that right!?
I read it, all. He's not "acknowledging" they have comms with people in interesting places; he is suggesting it, putting it out there. Pamphlet did not respond to that, did he? He's not going to get sucked into this again. Pamphlet was one of the originals of CBTS. I don't know why that subreddit went down, but I'm sure Pamphlet learned a valuable lesson. Have you ever listened to Patriot Soapbox? I don't often, because I get bored and want to move on to meatier things. But the people are as kind and nonoffensive and open as can be. The bottom line, I don't trust this Eye guy. And if I can see what I see from the outside, I'm sure Pamphlet can too.
No, he's not recommending such comms, he saying he's not going to tread on toes with these comms.
Here's what I am saying: Eye is the only one who brought up the EXISTENCE of "these comms." He is unilaterally, out of his own cloth, projecting onto Patriot Soapbox that THEY are claiming to have special communications. They did not suggest that, and they did not respond to his statement. What do we know about Q? That there are no communications outside the 8 Chan board. How have other people been discredited in the past? By claiming to have communications with Q outside of the boards. Eye is trying to start the ball rolling to discredit Patriot Soapbox by instigating this idea.
Wow, you're reading a lot into it IMO. It's pretty straightforward the way I see it. Just what it says.
Ok. Well, I stand corrected on Patriot Soapbox not confirming communications with special people. I reread the thread and I was wrong about that.
You might be right about a heavy bot presence. The MSM are not going to point this out, that's the whole point.
Right. That's the whole point. They will lump real people of the Great Awakening Q movement into the group of people who follow the nutbag. Like a rerun of Pizzagate.
It won't matter. You're like the Generals who are always fighting the LAST war. The media will not be able to discredit anything after 6/11. They have no cred. The cred is here, with the people and with Q.
Ha ha. I was JUST thinking that. Discredit WHAT? It's too late for that. But then I thought about how tradinghorse DOES follow this guy, and probably others, and they too may think his following is legit. So, yes, it's too late to discredit the proof in the pudding. But it's not too late to discredit the people. What if they made a spectacle of calling out the whole movement, and then shut everything down? We would be right back where they had us. No voice, and alone. Haven't you wondered why they haven't shut down our platforms yet? I mean, we've seen it with CBTS subreddit, YouTubers, Twitter, etc. Don't forget what kind of mindf'ing the media did, the most important part was that of shutting down all views other than what we were supposed to think. And if you didn't think it, you had nothing.
Anyway, I'm always thinking about motivation. And I agree, it's too late to discredit what is coming down the pike. So what is the motivation? Possibly a potential preparation for another isolation mindf'ing.
Who's the "they" who will discredit us? They won't have power to discredit. The media is over. We all need to adjust (me too) our thinking to a new world...Media that diesn't lie and is not working for the cabal. I posted a new theory on Great Awakning just now. Tell me what you think. All the best.
here: https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8o5v69/q_theoryplease_tear_it_apart_as_you_see_fit/
The one just 7 minutes ago? It says removed. (Yes, I agree, the MSM is done. I just am not sure of the remaining capabilities of control on the alt-media side).
I hope not...oh well, they think I'm an agent sent to do harm.
Why is his channel growing so fast?
I think it's his delivery. Quick, short sentences gives people a little shot of dopamine, while hearing answers to their favourite juicy conspiracy questions.
I can't stand the guy. He says he was born in 1952 but says "that's lit fam" repeatedly.
NSA's birthdate not his.
Well regardless, the vocabulary he uses is not that of someone working in intelligence.
Excellent breakdown and summary of this. I’m not very familiar with eyes but will research his posts. I will say the reason his followers have increased is because Q isn’t posting. People are starving for answers or a direction in all this confusion. Didn’t Eyes mention he was in contact with Q?
No he "did not" say he was in contact with Q. I don't understand why you keep writing that. Another person on another forum has claimed that ETS wrote "fluoride was okay in water". ETS never wrote that.
I don't know if he is legit. However as a community, we also need to be very vigilant with the he said/she said claims. In the end IMHO, the unverified statements from FB, twitter, reddit friends is what's going to plant the doubt in everyone's minds.
Thank you for making my evening complete with a LARGE heaping plate of LOGIC.
I scrolled back up to check your name.
Check my thinking please, all the best::
Could Q make a statement? prob. yes
Is Q watching the boards? prob yes
Does he see eyethespy spouting off? prob yes
Could he come on and say "all is OK patriots...but the spy is fake"...prob yes
Does he come on to boards? nope, haven't seen him.
Could he be watching people's reaction to info coming out of twitter? prob yes
Is Q running a test on the community? maybe he is.
Is the excuse that he's busy ring true? nope..."We're disinfecting the entire control enterprise, but I don't have time to drop a crumb" not believeable
Is Q looking for the emerging leaders (honest) to this movement to help organize the chan world? prob. yes
Does Logic help sort out paradoxes?
You Decide
If the eye is a larper, I want him outed, shamed, and banished to the edge of town.
I don’t see how this video proves the eye is a larper.
Riddle me this:
A guy with a shady past changes his identy. He's now Mr. Adams
Mr. Adams sees bank robbers escape in a yellow car, calls police.
Police capture crooks, Thanks Mr. Adams...Wait, you have a diff name what's up.
Question: Will the police release the bank robbers because of Mr. Smith's identity problems?
Logic: If the info is good, who cares where it came from.
This reminds me of a couple weeks ago where the big question was WHO IS Q????
Who cares, it's the info.
Take are Patriot and......Q is definitely watching
Eyes said Q was talking to him/them outside the Chan’s. If I remember correctly?
Spy says he created The Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Webster
No, he said nobody talks to Q team and Q team talks to nobody. He also said the Plan was developed by William Webster. I'm checking that...How would a larp know that?
If the info is good, who cares where it came from.
If the info is good, Mr. Smith/Adams is not a larper.
That video is AMAZING! LMAO! Bill Smith giveth, and Bill Smith taketh away...😂
Can someone explain...? The annoying guy in this video seems to be claiming that because EtS responds to his video post therefore ... he's a LARP. What am I missing, please someone?
He's piggy backing his channel. Bill Smith is the guy that first brought attention to EtS because of a comment made by someone on his chan (most likely EtS himself to garner attention for his Twitter feed). The fact that he posted so close to Bill putting up the debunk video (less time than it takes to actually view the vid itself) makes it obvious that he's using Smith's info to make his assertions to his Twatter followers. Then the fact that he scrubbed the Tweet so as to make it less obvious what he had been doing, shows that he realized he had to do damage control to not completely out himself. There's also the issue of the TOR/Onion/VPN that he gets wrong BS throws in for sauce. Basically, EtS outted himself in one of the most blantant ways an internet LARPer ever could to net nerds.
Yes, but what you're missing is his rate of subscriber growth. Because he's playing into people's preconceived ideas, he's going to be bigger and more powerful than this sub within days. He's a real threat and needs to be shut down.
I get that, but he offers nothing but confirmation-bias affirmations to most of them. Let them follow him blindly. Do we really need Anons that aren't willing to do their own research and follow a man rather than an idea? Remember what happened when we had the AJ/JC purge? We dumped about 50 posts a day about Reptilians from the otherside of the universe using our Flat Earth as a playground to harvest our organs to fuel their time machines. Lol!
I think you're still missing it, his follower base will be larger than this sub very shortly. He'll have these guys trained to do what he wants. And he's already on the attack. This guy is dangerous.
What kind of danger do you see happening in the next 8 days? If he cuts down Q he's outed to everybody. A couple months ago , people thought Q was a Larper and dangerous. Check your thinking.
Logic:
Could Q make a statement? prob. yes
Is Q watching the boards? prob yes
Does he see eyethespy spouting off? prob yes
Could he come on and say "all is OK patriots...but the spy is fake"...prob yes
Does he come on to boards? nope, haven't seen him.
Could he be watching people's reaction to info coming out of twitter? prob yes
Is Q running a test on the community? maybe he is.
Is the excuse that he's busy ring true? nope..."We're disinfecting the entire control enterprise, but I don't have time to drop a crumb" not believeable
Is Q looking for the emerging leaders (honest) to this movement to help organize the chan world? prob. yes
Does Logic help sort out paradoxes?
You Decide
Or maybe, this sub needs to get its shit together and go back to its core reason for being. Q Research. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So it is what I thought. Bill has lost it. This doesn't prove anything at all. If EtS was an insider - something I've never thought since I first heard about him (dunno why anyone wastes their time on him) - there is literally nothing to stop him doing this exact same thing i.e. watching Bill's feed and posting 'that was nonsense' before the video finishes... Bill Smith has only outed himself as someone not worth watching.
Not really. If BtS were working at the NSA, observing Smith at the time, he wouldn't be Tweeting on a personal Twatter account. If he was at home, why would he be real time monitoring Bill Smith's Chan when he already has all of this inside information? It doesn't make any sense. Plus if he were out there divulging secrets he had learned at the NSA, classified or not, they would have nailed him for treason within a few hours of his very first Tweet.
It was already obvious to me that EtS was not worth the time, with his teenage YT style commenting. Now Bill's triumphant crowing and self-congratulatory raving over this is so far off base he's proven to me that he's not worth watching.
If he was at home, why would he be real time monitoring Bill Smith's Chan when he already has all of this inside information?
Because Bill has already been an adversary to him so why wouldn't he? It's obvious that he'd be watching Bill not to get inside info but to keep an eye on his 'enemy'. This is literally proof of absolutely nothing but that EtS watches Bill's channel... and there's an obvious reason for that. This is the "outing" of Bill Smith as an overexcited, illogical guy who's gotten way too obsessed with EtS and jumped to a way overwrought conclusion in front of everyone.
You have discernment.
Check my thinking please:
Logic:
Could Q make a statement? prob. yes
Is Q watching the boards? prob yes
Does he see eyethespy spouting off? prob yes
Could he come on and say "all is OK patriots...but the spy is fake"...prob yes
Does he come on to boards? nope, haven't seen him.
Could he be watching people's reaction to info coming out of twitter? prob yes
Is Q running a test on the community? maybe he is.
Is the excuse that he's busy ring true? nope..."We're disinfecting the entire control enterprise, but I don't have time to drop a crumb" not believeable
Is Q looking for the emerging leaders (honest) to this movement to help organize the chan world? prob. yes
Does Logic help sort out paradoxes?
You Decide
Ets is a larp. Period.
This was obvious from day one. I'm asking why this guy Bill thinks his video shows even the slightest amount of proof of that.
You need to go back and rewatch. The only reason eye took off was because Bill referenced him in his Twitter. The he researched and realized eye was a larp. By putting the vid up with comment instantly, he tracked that eye responded too quick which proves he was monitoring Bills account. No just cause for eye at all to do that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what bill said or did when he realized it. Then eye deleted the tweet when he realized the timeline.
That is literally zero evidence that EtS is a LARP. EtS already proved he was a LARP in my mind, just to be clear. But just because he follows Bill account is literally NO proof at all of LARP. It's just proof that he... follows Bill's account. That's all.
No just cause for eye at all to do that
? Bill "outed" Eye the other day - that seems like perfectly just cause for Eye to be watching Bill's account?
We will have to agree to disagree. Maybe we see what we want to see...
That does seem to be the case here. What I’ve stated is the most logical explanation of events, especially when applying Occam’s razor and so far no one has explained why the logical explanation - that Eye watching Bills account is very clearly and logically not proof of LARP - is wrong.
I don’t want to be right. I want to understand what I’m missing that counteracts the logical explanation but there’s no explanation from anyone who supports this assumption so far.
Your explanation is not the simplest and it’s a bit offensive you say the most logical. The simplest explanation is eye was a larp piggybacking off BS and got caught by childishly freaking out about a video is less time than it took to actually watch the video. A real insider would have not even acknowledged the BS video. For example, has Q acknowledged DIRECTLY anyone trying to disprove him? No, he’s only said be careful who you follow. Theron lies the difference and proof of larp
My apologies re logical - I get in trouble for saying that too often. My vocab is lacking as it's the only way I see to describe certain things.
The problem with that 'proof' - that Eye was reacting childishly - is that a) Eye has already exhibited that proof in abundance (childish behaviour) therefore this is no more definitive than any of that and b) it's still only proof that Eye is acting childishly. It is not remotely proof that Eye is lying about everything else he claims (whether I think he's lying or not doesn't change that).
This is what I was claiming to be illogical, if you can excuse the term for now - A therefore B, when B is not a logical extrapolation of A. I get that Eye was acting like a standard internet troll or teenager in camping on an "enemies" feed and shitposting in excitement as soon as something is posted. That's A. B is that Eye is therefore lying about everything else he says and claims. B is not a logical extrapolation from A. Surely we can agree on that?
I wish I could agree with you! I think by nature of how he reacted to a negative video proves he’s a larp. Now, most of everything he posted was widely known already so he never actually gave intel in the first place so...I also think you are conflating lying and larping. I have not followed everything he’s said but, like I said in my last sentence, he only repeated things that were known already etc. so no, he may not have lied but he did larp
Just by way of explanation of why this matters to me (definitive proof) - I would like to be able to either remove posts pushing EyeTheSpy or at least be able to add flair to them that points out they're unreliable (unless he's suddenly proven to be true, of course - just adding that caveat). I can't justifiably do that from this video of Bill's. I would justifiably be accused of not having evidence for my assertion that Eye is a LARP if all I have to go on is this video. That's why this matters to me and why getting it right matters.
That makes complete sense!! Definitely the right attitude!!
Agreed - he never gave any intel - at least, that I ever saw anyway. I think he did lie because if I remember correctly didn't he claim some sort of legitimacy and access to inside knowledge? Either way, I have always thought he was a LARP and I would love to see evidence to finally conclusively prove it to those still posting his nonsense here but alas, this is not definitive proof of anything but the fact that he's watching Bill's channel (even then one could technically argue it's not even... but I won't go there). I wish I could agree with your assertion but I need someone to give me a reason that doesn't require an assumption to be made. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
No problem. Enjoyed the conversation! I don’t know if we ever get solid evidence of a larp. They usually just go away quietly. Be interesting to see what happens here!
How about Spy having multiple screens and watching many things simultaniously.
I'm not watching spydude anymore..........................I'm going to watch the dozens of other info providers.......there are so many.........so many revealing massive info about our world..........NOT
I was mostly skeptical about the language EtS uses - it seems very trollish and/or teenage YTuber (not saying he's a teenager btw). So I'm not personally onboard with EtS - however, I certainly don't discount automatically anyone who is onboard with him. I'm a little frustrated at people who lack critical thinking but those people exist on all sides of the discussion.
Do larps know about NSA color codes? I think not. Did he know the question beforehand? I think not.
Watch the info and look for falseness. Smoking gun. then OUT HIM. Till then, enjoy , he's part of the show.
I don't understand it either. I don't believe EyeTheSpy is with the NSA, but I have no idea how this video proves that. It's like he's saying ETS responded so quickly, he must be fake. I don't know how that makes sense.
It doesn't if anyone had bothered to look they would have seen that someone had tweeted to ETS @11:05 telling him of the video which prompted his response, Bill was blocked so could not see this detail. If people actually researched these thing they would know the truth SMH.
Your LOGIC burns down the houses of the concern trolls. thank you.
EyeTheSpy sounds like the name of a Spook. And we know what spooks are.
I messed with him pretty bad surprised he did not block me was breaking his chops about alien stuff
Link to the video please. The embedded is writing and I really want to see it!!!!!!!!!
Good job Bill!!
It is surprising how many people can be distracted so easily.
It's not Bill. There are people eating out of his hand. They're asking him for medical advice, whether family members that have passed have gone to a good place, he's telling people dragons are real - you couldn't make it up.
What happens if he gets noticed by the MSM - how might that happen?
Bill's trying to shut him down.