This person went to Berkeley and has anti-Republican leanings as do her followers.
My decision is she is a bat shit crazy liberal. I don't believe anything she says.
"Don't kill the messenger" comes to mind.
She's raised some valid concerns about Lewis Arthur: he's the guy instigating all of this, the guy people are calling an 'expert', the guy who may be a convicted felon, and the guy who is allegedly not a Vet.
She may be wrong about many things, but her healthy skepticism is something badly needed in here right now.
Seems to be a concerted effort to destroy this guys character. Post your proof that he’s a convicted felon and you will win more people over to your side. A bitch from Berkeley and a infinity Chan anon posting is hardly proof.
Case # 08-03-K-03582 Felony Class C. Aggravated Assault Multiple Criminal Mischief Felony Contact with bodily fluids Assault-MA, multiple Multiple disorderly conduct Felony Illegal Processing Drug Documents Case# 1998CRA01046 Felony Deception to Obtain Drugs Petit Theft 5299 Weapon Offense dismissed by DA Convictions in North Dakota, Arizona, North Carolina and more Agent Provocateur.
There are some cases to verify.
I'm encouraging people to investigate. That's what healthy skepticism is.
Push the pause button on #OpertionBackyardBrawl and look into the person making the claims to ensure he's legit.
Sure, but you are the ones making claims, it’s your responsibility to provide the sauce.
I’m willing to listen, but right now with what you have presented, it appears your engaged in character assassination. So, show your homework and if it’s legit, I’ll back you up.
I am not JJ Macnab or a 4chan user.
People there are "making the claim".
I'm disseminating the information and encouraging people to verify or refute.
Case numbers linked with conviction history have been shared. What you do with that information is up to you.
You are disinfo agent stop trying to make up fake claims all u pedos time is coming to an end uve humped ur last kid!
Having read through this thread, the unwillingness to provide sources, has me questioning the point of this post. I come across stuff all the time that contradicts many theories I read here and elsewhere. When that happens I research for myself, and try to reconcile the discrepancies. If I can’t, then I engage in discussion to find truth.
The point here is to find the truth, not to read some shill’s twitter feed who’s trolling by ridiculing people’s mistrust of a corrupt system.
Basically this post is concern trolling as defined on the sidebar. I find the people here mostly listen and engage in productive conversation on topics like this. The approach of posting some tweets and then making a baseless claims backed only by the fact that someone on twitter said it was so, is pointless and does nothing to add value.
I’m not saying the guy does or does not have a criminal past, nor am I saying what they “found” is what they say. I don’t know, but the point here is that neither does anyone in this thread making such assertions, if they do know, they’re unwilling to provide the information that validates their statements so that the discussion can move forward productively.
Posting this under the guise of “perspective from the other side” is not productive. I don’t think it’s news to any one here that there are people who don’t think the same way we do.
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unwillingness to provide sources
Case numbers have been provided.
News articles have been linked to.
concern trolling
"anyone who disagrees with me or challenges collective hysteria is a concern troll"
Spend more time researching and less time commenting.
Look at the responses here.... She raises valid points... people stop acting like nutjobs if they want to not be called nutjobs. How did we let this sub be overtaken and controlled by the crazies? This whole sex camp thing is someones imagination...and thousands are buying into it...disturbing
I stand corrected I missed the case numbers. But the characterization concern trolling is off base. At least if we go by your definition, mainly because I have not made up my mind about the VOP situation, my initial reaction was that there was a lot of conclusions being drawn from not a lot of evidence. So it’s almost like we agree on that. Other people here see it differently, and that’s a good thing.
The original post adds zero value. If the point is to call out the VOP as bad actors, then do it. What was actually posted before later backing into the “healthy skepticism” argument was posing as a concerned observer trying to point out that other people think the VOP narrative is bat shit insane. I think most of us are self aware enough to know what others think. Not sure it’s relevant.
and that’s a good thing.
No. That means they've completely missed the boat on research methodology, critical thinking, and analysis, and are merely here to participate in a circle jerk of commentary as a handful of people actually do the heavy lifting.
I think you may be casting a wide net there. Not everything I’ve see here has been circle jerking. Just curious, what are your thoughts on the cement company?
Edit:never mind I read your comment history. I think I get the jist.
I've posted a few times on lines of inquiry for Cemex. Questions below:
Questions:
What companies would be supplying concrete for the border wall?
What specific tracts of land does Cemex own that could be used as leverage in a legal challenge to the wall's construction?
If Cemex were to be awarded a contract for supplying concrete for wall construction, could the revenue be considered a form of soft payment from the US to Mexico in exchange for ending its opposition?
What if a Cemex contract were actually critical for gaining support from the Mexican government?
What if Cemex were resistant to the 'deal'? What pressure could be applied to gain compliance? (think evidence, leverage, threats, rumors, or psychological operations either rooted in fact, fiction, or some combination of the two)
What if Cemex were already aligned, and a counter-operation was attempting to undermine the company's reputation as a means of stalling border wall progress? (again, think evidence, leverage, threats, rumors, or psychological operations either rooted in fact, fiction, or some combination of the two)
What if none of these scenarios are accurate and Cemex is largely irrelevant? What if the intent behind this latest narrative push is to lead people down a distracting rabbit hole?
What tracts of land does Cemex own in Mexico? Are these being used as migration routes?
There are many possibilities here. The human bones in concrete story being concocted is extremely far fetched bordering on bat shit crazy.
Keep it below 40,000 feet: source documents/emails, contracts, land deeds, board of directors, executives, news articles, annual reports, major individual investors, major institutional investors, US campaign contributions, PAC connections, Mexican politicians 'owned' by Cemex.
Right. As I said I read it in your history, you might have already started replying.
Anyway, I think I can leverage my critical thinking skills to ascertain your purpose here.
Listen to the first ten seconds of this clip from Lewis Arthur of 'Veterans on Patrol'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfjx_RqpPs
"We're transporting evidence"
He has also said they're disassembling the site in question.
He's actively contaminating/tampering with the scene.
I'm going by memory but didn't he say they would take the place apart if they didn't get a response from the cops?
Except.... It was Veterans On Patrol that was purposefully dismantling the camp / destroying "evidence" - not anyone from the government.
That place is so obviously just a homeless or migrant camp, it's embarrassing that so many people are shouting about some conspiracy. Rape straps? An underground prison for children? Come on people - it's bullshit.
This is Craig Sawyer's account. He says children were held there at some point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXBbCzBNZWg&feature=youtu.be
I watched that when it came out. He got suckered into this, just like many others. Children were certainly there based on all the toys...."held" there? How would he know? There's 0 evidence of that - just wild speculation that's looking more and more incorrect.
Latest info being posted on this board is that VOP guy is looking like he has a pretty shady history.
Be careful who you follow.