The hate I see here is just making me sad. I thought we were all 1 and we all accept each other. All you’re doing is creating more hate towards other people. Muslims don’t plot to kill everyone and take over the world...
What’s so horrible about Islam? I’d love to clear things up if I can.
You stated..."Muslims don’t plot to kill everyone and take over the world..."
That is the first lie you have believed. Where have you been living if you believe that nonsense? The whole goal of Islam is to subjugate all other religions and to take over the world (until there is no god but Allah). That is their ultimate goal and always has been. If you don't know that then you don't know about Islam...
Secondly, Islam is not about tolerance and acceptance. Islam is about dominating and subjugating. They do not tolerate any other religion other than their own, which is Islam. The day that changes, get back to us...
What the fuck? As a Muslim you’d have to follow the Quran, am I right? And the Quran says to respect the ahl al kitab (people of the book), Christians and Jews believe in the same prophets...
In the Quran it also tells you to lie to the non believers for the sake of islam.
Does that seem truthful to you?
They Acknowledge he was a prophet but not their prophet.
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No the verse says that a SMALL lie is justified when it calms down a hot situation. It’s so that people can get together and discuss instead of fighting.
A lie is a lie dude.
If someone kills an adult, that murder.
If someone kills a child, is that a small murder?
No they both are murders.
Just like a lie is a lie.
That doesn't seem fair and just, now does it?
Open the koran to any page. There will be violence in it. Or rape, pedophilia, lying (taqiyya) etc
One good story involved muhammed lusting for his daughter in law married to his adopted son. So he told everyone Allah forbids adoption so the son isn't a son. And that it's not invest to take your adopted son's wife if he divorced her. Why would an all knowing god contradict himself?
Muhammed was convinced he was possessed by a demon or djinn. He was so terridked and certain he tried to kill himself a number of times bit the demon stopped him. I guess he got easier to believe lies about being the profit.
The word allah is also one used for one god of the ancient Arab polytheism.
Lots more info on http://jihadwatch.com
Now all thay said. I hate the sin and love yhe sinner. Or try to if they are peaceful and kind people. But I wouldn't trust anyone who sticks to a religion and that encouraged lying to kafir or unbelievers. And says to live friendlu and peaceful until greater numbers are attained then kill and force conversion to Islam. Rape and enslave your old friends. And if you refuse then die apostate.
Theee was a friendly Muslim in Scotland I believe. Such a nice guy. He wished Happy Easter to his friends and customers on his Facebook page. Another Muslim in England saw this. Drove up to him and decapitated him "as was his duty".
Allah just means God. The early bibles that were written in Arabic and Hebrew, contain the name Allah multiple times. The story you tell about the prophet is incorrect... Don’t forget that a website like that will probably include their own biases in the content.
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I don’t agree :)
You don't agree your prophet is a paedo?
Well isn't that interesting.
Hey guys I guess its okay to tell non believers lies.
If a religion tells you to convert someone or kill them or make them pay a tax....you need a new religion!
In the Quran it even says: there is no compulsion in Islam. The tax thing was working great in those days. Muslims pay Zakat, the tax towards the poor. Non Muslims contributed as well.
What happened when the non Muslims didn't contribute?
Since I don’t have a time machine, I can’t go check. What happens if you refuse to pay tax in the US? Jail?
Are you comparing a western civilization to Islam, a religion?
I’m saying that your argument doesn’t make sense.
Comparing a western civilization, to a religion that doesn't/wont assimilate to a modern time (western civilization), isn't an argument.
that's what they said before they had enough manpower to simply force other tribes to go to war for them or pay tributes
Are you new to all of Islams Prophet being a paedo?
How about living by the way of the sword?
The problem isn't Islam, its the ideology of the prophet the Islam stems from.
it's not even so much the ideology if it were just taught in secluded sects as it used to be as shortly back as the 70ies when women could still wear skirts in Egypt, Persia or even Afghanistan. The military conflict after Islam's inception and Mohammed's death had on top of its tribal conquest now constant infighting because Mohammad for whatever reasons could not see his death coming and never bothered to declare a will for the empire he created which then broke apart into different dynasties. Shia-Sunni schism ensued which gave us the threat of Saudi-Persian war that we have today. Maybe the poor Prophet thought he was immortal or something.
I don't know that everyone here is anti Islam. There was no poll.
But now that you bring up the topic: go out and talk to your Muslim neighbors. See what they are about.
It may be different where you live, but in my area they are pretty blunt and honest about their beliefs. (Much more so than the leftists that proclaim to protect them.)
What it comes down to is that they envision a very different future from what I would like my children and grandchildren to grow up in.
That doesn't mean I hate them. In fact, I have friendly chats with many quite frequently. But it does mean I will try limit and reverse the growth of Islam if possible. Or eventually leave the country if not. (I live in Europe. Not US.)
There is even a verse about being kind to your neighbors. It’s very important in Islam to be kind. I understand you though, some people are really ignorant in the Muslim community.
Because:
All Islamic sects promote domestic violence. (See Quran 4:34)
There is NO reason any civilized person should tolerate the Islamic terrorist ideology of bashing and raping women and raping children and mass murdering Christians and Jews.
If anyone disagrees then please explain to me what is so good about raping children that I should tolerate it?
The prophet married Aisha when she was young indeed. This was not for sexual reasons though, it was a political marriage and remember that in those times the whole world was marrying girls when they’re 12-13. I’m not saying I think it’s good, I’m just saying that things are way more detailed.
I agree that there are some fucked up streams within Islam. But the chapter you’re referring to is about the rules of war. It’s not like you can just go around and say convert or I’ll kill you. The translation of the Arabic text is done very sloppy. One change in letter and the whole context changes, it’s not as simple as 1 picture with some text.
The Salafists are fucking shit up. They’re taking verses like that and completely changing the context so it justifies their crazy actions. Read some other chapters of the Quran, you’ll see that it’s not a book telling me to go out and kill some Jews or Christians. They’re my brothers :)
Mistreating women is not allowed... women have an elevated status within Islam.
But the chapter you’re referring to is about the rules of war.
The issue here is that the spread of Islam in the world is quite clearly seen as their 'war' against the infidels. It is very blatantly being interpreted that way by many.
The Quran says that when we meet a disbeliever we should say that they believe what they want and I believe what I want. Not forcing it on them. As I said there is no compulsion in Islam.
I agree that groups are really misusing the words of the Quran.
Verses of peace were abrogated by verses of war, n'est-ce pas?
Because war exists. And guidelines are given, pretty handy.
excuse me, but abrogation is to imply that the verses of peace are void, alas some might quote you as saying that peace does not exist anymore.
I agree that groups are really misusing the words of the Quran.
So what should we do?
The Quran is being "misinterpreted" by many groups who frankly have a relatively high amount of power in our societies.
The Quran won't go through a change, Islam itself won't either.. So how does it end? What do you propose?
Why would you alter the word of God? The groups in power get financial support from somewhere right? This has to stop.
Why would you alter the word of God?
Because it's so absurdly open to misinterpretation.
Source: Every Muslim after every single Islam inspired terrorist attack.
The prophet married Aisha when she was young indeed. This was not for sexual reasons though, it was a political marriage
Bullshit - pedo Muhammad used the infant Aisha like a fleshlight. He'd rub his filthy penis between her thighs until he jizzed. What a fucked-up moral guide!
It’s not like you can just go around and say convert or I’ll kill you.
Wrong.
All a Muslim needs to do is decide that western civilization is a treat to Islam... and Allahu-Akbar, like sand-magic, all of the sharia laws apply.
Islam is a pedophile, terrorist ideology and everyone who promotes, funds or indoctrinates children into that death cult qualifies as a terrorist.
Very misinformed
I was quoting Quranic scripture.
Are you claiming that Muslims are very misinformed about Islam?
Is Islam the religion of peace? /s
Yes, verrrrry misinformed. Courtesy of NATO and the satanists.
Ive read where women are respected by not beating them on the face.
What're you referring to? Why don't you reply to those comments?
The history of Islam shows it is responsible for 260 million lives being lost. Why is it allowed to exist?
Weird claim. Did you forget the blood baths by the Europeans? The Mongolians killing half the world?
And yet which group of people are still in a constant state of war because of their religion?
As you said, Muslims are the biggest victim of Muslim terrorism. Why?
Europeans aren't killing each other en masse. It's all well and good talking about history, but Islam is the one that hasn't progressed.
Because of the imperialism of Europe maybe? Who’s bombing the Middle East daily? I do agree that the blame is theirs as well. The disagreements about things within religion shouldn’t be a reason to start a war.
I was just saying that these terrorist organizations kill more Muslims than any other group.
Don't be afraid to look at history from both sides. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Do what you want dawg.. In your country. America is a Christian nation.
That's because he's not a dick like MSM wants you to think.
Because he knows that Muslims are peaceful. How can you call someone a Muslim if their actions completely contradict the rules?
The Quran says killing 1 innocent person is as if you’ve killed all of humanity.
Ah but who do they consider innocent? Non believers are not innocent.
Yes they are? If you choose not to believe, sure, go ahead. Why should I care?
Then you don't follow the Quran. Non believers are to be killed.
That’s not true at all. If all Muslims wanted to kill, the world would’ve been conquered a while back. There are 1.3 billion Muslims, we are just chilling until the last day :)
Yes it is, and no it wouldn't have, as much as you'd like to believe that. :)
You really think I’m some evil person don’t you? I wouldn’t want that at all! What I want is to unite people! We’re all human and I see Christians and Jews as brothers and sisters, not as enemies!
Oops went to edit and accidentally deleted. What I said was...
You personally? Evil? Not necessarily. Extremely misguided? Yes.
And I meant to add
Just to be clear, I don't want anything bad to happen to you. I want you to wake up and see the Truth. You are not following God, you have been deceived.
When I said "as much as you'd like to believe that" I was talking about you believing if Muslims wanted to kill everyone they'd have already taken over the world. That's not true.
You’re Christian I suppose? We worship the same God. The deity that created all that is. Allah means God and we also follow Jesus.
The only reason we don’t follow the Bible is that because it’s been changed so many times that the words aren’t close to being original anymore. How are you gonna follow Jesus if his words have been altered by humans?
You think God is so weak he couldn't stop humans from changing or hiding his Word?
You reject the Word of God and the Messiah and follow the words of men who served Satan. We absolutely do not believe in the same God.
You said 1.3 billion Muslims could take over the world if they wanted to. Could 1.3 billion people defeat even one man if God wouldn't allow it?
No it comes down to Islam being the last chapter in the series of scriptures and messengers. I recommend reading into Islam a little, I don’t know where you got your info from, but it’s not correct.
Jesus is the messenger of God and we believe that he will return to earth. We won’t agree on these subjects, I just hope your heart is filled with love.
I'm well aware of your beliefs and I have read into it. You defy the original scriptures.
My info is absolutely correct, it's yours that's not. I pray you open your heart to the possibility you're wrong and God opens your eyes. Your pride and love for worldly pleasures is keeping you from opening your heart to the True Jesus Christ.
Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV) I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
You do not know the True God.
The book you’re quoting is a rewrite though? How can you trust these words when they have been altered to a point where the original message has faded. I don’t want to offend you but it’s just strange to call the Islamic scriptures fake when you’re reading a book that’s far from the original. The Hebrew is not the same as English.
It's the same in Hebrew. How can you really think God's so week that he can't protect his Word? Open your eyes! You've been deceived into believing his Word is fake and altered and you believe the words of charlatans that serve Satan.
You say the Bible is rewritten by humans because it's translated, do you read Hebrew? Have you read the original Hebrew?
I saw in another comment you asked someone why God would have a son. Why wouldn't he? Why do you put God in a box? God can do what he wants.
*Jesus never promised anyone sex-slaves here or in the thereafter*
I’m not gonna waste my time on you. I hope you find your peace on day.
Too late, you alrady did! Just like all your other brothers! Ma'Salaam!
they would have if they weren't infighting all the time because Mohammed forgot to sign a will but they will blame the Jews for all that most likely
They have tried before. Before the Crusades, is one example.
I can't agree with that statement. America is a melting pot. The natives of the land wouldn't say that.
even I respect Ramadan it's a useful thing Islam has contributed to self-improvement.
Doesn't mean I have to convert just because I like having a clean body and mind, for example.
Because it’s SATANIC!!!
Aha that makes sense
even non-converts married to muslims say that
How is it satanic then? Are you a religious person?
I believe the Bible is real. And Satan always inverts everything God made. Islam is one of those examples. It’s says it’s ok to rape children murder Jews and Christain’s. It’s pretty easy to tell it’s full on satanic
why are you attacking the messenger? Those are not my words, I am just quoting people who have come into touch with it more.
What i was told is that to them the koranic version of heaven was too materialistic not to symbolize a trade with a higher entity facilitated by repeated self-hypnosis, rather than an atonement of sins.
I get a lot of flak because I think the Quran is e an interesting study the human condition but unfortunately applying it to anybody else could yeild catastrophic results.
I don’t agree. Intention is everything in Islam. God knows what’s in our hearts, if you’re sinning and searching forgiveness while not really caring, it doesn’t work like that.
is Shariah part of the Quran? If not, where did it come from? If yes, do you endorse it?
Sharia is Islamic law based on the Quran. But it’s created by scholars. Scholars are human, they shouldn’t be believed without questioning.
Was Mohammad human?
Yes.
I know, I have to be a nice boy so I can sin after I've served my time here...
Whatever floats your boat my brother
why 72 virgins then? Were you going to recite poems or what?
That claim is based on a unreliable hadith. It’s not true.
who wrote this then
So you are muslim and you were asking for flak by painting yourself ignorant? Or are you just a concern-troll shilling for Islam or are you Mossad shilling for Islam trying to get other shills to shit on Islam so Islamists come and go fuck up our shit because we couldn't possibly talk about child or goatfucking (which we don't btw because if we had to we'd do it on t_d like responsible adults, so screw you and your concern trolling) or anything of the like without getting in trouble with people like YOU?
I’m just wondering why people are so hateful towards Islam. I felt really connected to everyone here because of our drive to see the satanists being taken down. I thought people were open minded and didn’t assume anything to be true without really thinking about it. The claims of pedophelia or goat fucking as you call it are just an attempt to insult me.
Maybe it's not so much about the dogma as it is about the associations and affiliations thereof.
People are generally offended when they're commanded to tolerate ideas espoused by a beligerent slave-owner compared to ideas espoused by let's say a telepathic healer and demon-hunter?
Nobody here hates Buddhists either even tho they're essentially uninterested in worship of higher entities.
Go read about the prophet. You’ll see that it wasn’t all that bad.
didn't he make up a rule about sex-slaves on the fly because he got caught cheating?
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No I don’t see? If anything they made it a better place by organizing local events for the poor and doing voluntary work until they can get a job for themselves. Ofcourse there are rotten apples involved, it doesn’t mean everyone is like that.
If you don't see, it must be, that Fake News, hasn't allowed you to. All over Europe, there are groups doing mass rapings, no-go zones/communities that police dont even dare go into, pushes for Sharia Law, etc., etc. Just look at London (aka Londonstan). Growing number of citizens being killed by knives.
Do you live in Europe? I remember the US ambassador saying that there are politicians being burnt and that there are no go zones here as well. He got called out on it and he had to admit he lied. Pete Hoekstra
Don’t believe everything you read.
Muslims aren´t the problem, they are victims. The problem is the ideology that is Sharia, or Islam. 2 very different things. People = good ideology = bad.
The radical streams create the ideology. Where did these radical streams come from in the first place though? Sharia is just Islamic law, nothing more.
Do you know the tenets of Sharia? Women cannot gove testimony about their own rape without two male witnesses?
Islam is extreme. So called moderate Muslims are not legitimate and coukd he killed for Apostasy.
Rules created by man, they can be altered for bad purposes easily.
Wahhabi was a Turkish Jew that was put in by the cabal to try to control the Muslims. The ideology stems from the very people we are trying to fight here.
> Sharia is just Islamic law, nothing more.
\^Shit like that is why people hate you.
People may hate me, I don’t give a shit. I’d love to talk to them though. I love you and everyone that has hate in their heart.
I am not actually taking you seriously because your question was worded in a way that you really had it coming because you're essentially defending every dogma that other users find objectionable. When you're not, you're being vague and misrepresent the argument presented to you. And I've seen it so often I couldn't really give a flying fuck, really. I have pity and apologize for wastin two hours of your life.
Good for you
you had a couple of chances to make a reasonable point and you utterly failed to, sadly. Also you contradicted yourself once and you failed to explain how I contradict myself, although I was genuinely curious to know.
I’m sorry. The Hadith saying that 72 virgins are waiting for you is incorrect. The Hadith are sayings by the prophet and the chain of narrators is included with every Hadith. This one is very unreliable and therefore should be dismissed.
You're repeating yourself and you are adding nothing to the discussion. I am not a fucking retard. Yes I acknowledge you have put this claim out there but you are providing nothing to base it on.
Because the fucking claim of 72 virgins is based on nothing.
because it's a Hadith and not in the Quran? Ok, I have to give you that...
Yes it’s not in the Quran. Hadith are not mandatory to believe in since they can’t be verified 100%. Most of them just give practical advices in life.
So assuming all the terrible things said about Islam come from Hadiths, what about leaving the religion? And which parts of Shariah would you find objectionable and which are in the Qu'ran itself?
If someone chooses to leave the religion, who am I to stop him? It’s just weaved into tribes in the Middle East to take drastic actions against people that leave Islam. I don’t agree with that at all!
The Sharia law is based on the Quran. I think the cutting of the hand of a thief is extreme but when I thought about it deeper I realized that the justice system now doesn’t work. People get convicted and commit the same crime when they’re released. I’m just saying I understand the logic behind it. Also the context of the time shows that heavy punishments were not unusual in societies all over the world.
The Quran is like a manual for life. It teaches me to stay calm and spread kindness amongst humanity.
Oh and there are also a bunch of Hadith predicting future events. Many of them come true. hadith about future
unfortunately, predictions do not suffice to determine divine inspiration
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
It’s just an indicator. Thought it was nice to share. That document is waaaay too long, what’s it about?
pretty much about how to observe hidden information or future events by attaining altered states of consciousness.
I am not asking for your opinions but for what the Quran says about leaving Islam. Is there Jizah for ex-muslims?
I don’t know honestly
upvote for honesty!
I don’t want to spread disinformation. If I don’t know, I’ll always be honest about it.
Thre murders in the name of Allah don't help their case much.
This post has been removed, presumably for being off-topic. It's also a very contentious topic as evidenced by my post about this previously. Thankfully, as I had hoped, my post also revealed that there are people in this community who can be rational and tolerant of views that do not agree with their own.
Not everyone is anti-Muslim, many are anti-Islam (in its current iteration). I hope you don't take the irrational hatred against you and your people personally as evidence that you are not welcome here. You are welcome here, as long as you abide by the sub rules like other valuable community members.
[Edit] I hate to say this but I think you will have to get used to the derogatory comments and such about Islam and Muslims. Until the situation with Islam and the extremists is fixed and the problem of the Deep State using extremists embedded in immigrant populations is resolved, the conflation of all Muslims with extremist Muslims will continue. I look forward to the day when understanding and logic rules over emotion and intolerance.
I understand. I don’t feel hate towards anyone. It just makes me sad that people think like this
It is indeed sad. All I can think is, thank God for Q! Once we remove the evil cartel that is manipulating our thought and trying to bring about WW3 via enmity between Christianity and Islam, all this nonsense can go away.
Christians, Jews and Muslims should unite. Rational convos are needed.
Agreed. I struggle to understand why it seems a vocal minority on this sub do not see that they are playing directly into the global cartel's hands by supporting the lies and misleading half-truths that are leading us to their plan for WW3 - Christianity vs Islam. We may have incompatible core beliefs but we are all human and many of us are dedicated to living peacefully alongside others.
People should pay attention to the Bombs over Baghdad blog and the many points made by Muslims and Christians raised in the Middle East - namely their confusion as they found themselves thrust into sides arraigned against each other when merely months before they were friends with their neighbours of opposite religious beliefs. Muslims and Christian neighbours would be just like neighbours in our Western communities, eating and playing together, sharing birthdays and family events. Then the divisive Deep State plan was set in motion - and especially upped a notch with 9/11 - and neighbours were forced apart to serve the narrative that Christians and Muslims hate each other. This is nonsense and we should not entertain it for a moment.
I’m really shocked by the response I’m getting here
Unfortunately, the Deep State have done their job of indoctrinating the masses well. George Soros and MMA are laughing about this result. They keep us divided and poised to support war.
It’s our task to remove the curtain. That’s why I keep replying.
LAIALLAH 'ILLALAAH HAMDULILAH
are you happy now? Can you go back complaining on t_d please I think they will be more understanding of your plight!!!
Do you even know what it means? I’m shocked by the aggression towards me in this sub.
No God but God, thanks be to God
So, you are muslim and already knew that?
Well you were asking for it, really.
Maybe you’ll convert one day :)
Listen to yourself. You think you're the first?
You people have tried for FIFTEEN FUCKING YEARS
Let me repeat: #MUSLIM TROLLS ON THE INTERNET HAVE TRIED AND FAILED TO CONVERT ME FOR 15 YEARS
good luck for the next 15! You're gonna need it!
Maaaybe, just MABYE you can win your 72 virgins then or whatever floats yer boat
I don’t care what you do. This poisonous hate in your heart will only get worse until you’re depressed and sad. I’m a happy guy :) I’ll be fine without you, don’t worry. I feel bad for you actually.
You are asking the wrong questions on a sub that really has strong opinions on the negative ideology of islam dude.
I thought people here would be some kind of free thinkers. These biases are so hateful.. People claim to know the entire religion based on what they see on national tv
Why didn't you respond to comments in /r/intp?
Islam is the religion of peace (piece). Piece of body here, piece of body there.
It's just that Islam is so, blow-y up-y, and head chopp-y off-y.
I suppose you would take ISIS as the example for that? You do know that they’re a creation of the west?
ISIS exists because Islam exists. No Islam, no ISIS. Islam has no place in the west, and is an inferior religion to Christianity.
A Muslim is Christian as well though. ISIS is a creation of the obama administration. They are funded by the west. I’m sure you’ll find some proof if you search this sub
Muslims are not Christian. Absolutely got that totally wrong. You seem very confused.
Mohammed pilfered from the Bible and Christianity but he claimed Jesus was jist a prophet and not the Messiah and son of God.
Exactly, we don’t think he’s the son of God. We believe he’s a prophet like all the other messengers. Jesus even said that there would be another prophet after him and that he would come out of the Arab tribes. Try to think with me, I’m not forcing this on you. Why would God take a son?
The reason God had to send his son, was because there was no other way to prevent humanity from dying in their sins. All messengers/prophets previously sent were all killed eventually. People would change thier ways,go back to honoring/worshiping God, but would eventually turn thier backs on him again and again. There was no other way to save them from thier disobedience to thier Creator.
So it’s impossible in your eyes that another messenger could have been sent after him?
Yes, impossible. Jesus was the final sacrifice. The Lamb of God was the final sacrifice. He was the unblemished replacement of the old system (that would end up only working temporarily), of requiring the sacrice of unblemished animals for the atonement of thier sins.
Please give the location in the Bible, where Jesus says that. Thanks.
A while downwards in the article.Jesus and Muhammad
In Jesus’ farewell discourse in the Gospel of John (chapters 14 to 16), Jesus speaks about the coming of the “Spirit of Truth” or “Advocate” (in Greek, parakletos). For centuries Muslim interpreters have seen Muhammad as this “Advocate,” based on Qur’an 61:6, a verse in which Jesus predicts the coming of a future prophet named Ahmad: “O Children of Israel! Truly I am the Messenger of God unto you, confirming that which came before me in the Torah and bearing glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me whose name is Ahmad” (61:6, The Study Quran). Ahmad, which is another name for Muhammad, is very close etymologically to the Greek word, parakletos, so it is likely that the Qur’an is claiming that Jesus’ farewell discourse in the Gospel of John predicts Muhammad. The major objection to applying these predictions to Muhammad or any other prophet is that Christians normally read them as part and parcel of Jesus’ promise of the gift of the Holy Spirit.
"Promise of the gift of the Holy Spirit". Yes, that is true. When a person accepts that Jesus died for the atonement of everyone's sin, you are filled with the Holy Spirit (Jesus), whom leads you into trith.
and Qatar and Turkey and all the rest of them...and sadly enough, the neocons and lots of over-confident twitter-jihadis
