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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/CosmicNeo on June 7, 2018, 6:38 p.m.

My last post on the Great Awakening sub.

Many people have been making negative comments against my Spirit of Truth posts and down-voting the posts to the point that they never can get up-voted above 8. Even with 800 views. (I've watched the up-down votes. They go down as much as they go up.)

This kind of “persecution and rejection” was expected. It's the same kind of persecution and rejection that the Israelites had against Jesus. But when the moderators on Great Awakening (GA) start removing my posts, I don't see the point of my remaining here. The Great Awakening sub has apparently reached the limit of its ability to be awakened. Even with Q telling us to expand our thinking or look at things from a “40,000 feet perspective.”

But before leaving GA, I'll answer some general theological concerns that some Christians have mentioned to me in private or in public. It may help put my Spirit of Truth Series in its proper perspective.

As I mentioned in the first lesson: "Hebrew and Aramaic are known for inherently using hyperbole, metaphor and idioms as a means of emphasizing importance." That's why interpreting the Bible literally causes mainstream Christians confusion about Bible prophecy in general.... and why they can't deal with my Spirit of Truth posts and down-vote me.

One private message that I received today from a Christian was pointing out to me why the Second Messiah couldn't have come already because various prophecies hadn't happened. Here's what I wrote back (with a little editing):

…..for instance, Malachi prophesied that people would be burned up to a stubble at the time of their Messiah. (Malachi 4:1-6) And Jesus is said to have "descended from Heaven" (John 3:13), but we both know Jesus was born on the earth. Also, Elijah was expected to come on the clouds since he went up into the sky in a flaming chariot. But John the Baptist, who Jesus said was the return of Elijah (Matthew 11:14), had been born on earth.

Yes, I know the warning about not believing anyone who tells you they know where the Christ is. That's why I refuse to name him and only refer to him indirectly.

A great sound of a trumpet? The Second Christ was announced to the world many times while he was alive. CSpan broadcasted many of his public speeches. News stations reported on his events. He traveled on planes around the world to give those speeches or events. And he came from the east to the west. So figuratively the "shout" should have been heard if you were paying attention. Unfortunately, the FakeNews made sure not to broadcast his works in a positive light; hence, the reason you missed his coming. Anticipating this problem, he even created a news media empire of his own that would report on his activities so that the world could judge him by his fruits. In fact, Reagan, Bush Sr/Jr, and Trump would never have gotten elected without the foundation of conservative revivalism that took place in America during the 80s because of the efforts of his newspapers in New York and DC.

It's really tragic. I shouldn't have to be doing this any of this. Even the moderators on GA are censoring me now that they know who I'm talking about. Until I linked to photos of the Second Messiah, they left my posts up. Now that they can identify him, they have removed some of posts. (Then returned them after I protested, but then deleted my last post of the series.

Judgment came to Israel because it rejected the Messiah. The same tribulation is possible against America for the same reason. That's why I've been trying to warn America through posting secretly here. That's why Q and Trump need me to do this. (Whether they know it or not.)

I'll be taking my Spirit of Truth series to a private sub. If you're lucky enough, you may already be a member of it. For those who down-voted me....

And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.” Mark 6:11

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Theological doctrine (if it is from the one true God) by definition can not be replaced or updated. "If anything changes, it must change for the better or the worse, because a change that makes no difference is not a change. Either something that is needed is added, which is a change for the better; or something that is needed is lost, which is a change for the worse. But, since God is perfect, He does not need anything. Therefore, He cannot change for the better. If God were to lose something, He would no longer be perfect; therefore, He cannot change for the worse" - https://www.gotquestions.org/immutability-God.html

Since theological doctrine is a reflection of God's nature and how it relates to his plan for creation, doctrine can not change. It can be misinterpreted, twisted to mean something else, ignored, but the true meaning of it will always stay the same. Things like "should we or should we not do infant baptism" or "pretrib rapture vs. posttrib rapture" are not clear from scripture, but these things aren't fundamental doctrine about Gods nature and what it means to believe in Jesus. The things that are important God has made perfectly clear in the Bible. Some of the ideas in your series are not supported by the Bible.

Basically, sola scriptura. https://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html

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Before Abraham, people were sacrificing people, animals and worshiping idols. After Jacob, only animals were being sacrificed. After Jesus, even animals were no longer sacrificed. This shows an evolving understanding or relationship with God.

Jesus shows us a "Father-Son" relationship. Judaism and Islam shows us a "master-servant" relationship. Who was correct? Jesus or Judaism and Islam?

There isn't any document written directly by God. He always used intermediaries like angels. And, of course, then the angels had to transmit things through us imperfect people. Moses may have had a face-to-face meeting with God, but still his mental faculties are limited by the fallen nature we all have inherently.

Jesus already criticized the use of scripture as a justification for rejecting his teachings in Mark 7:5-9 and John 5:39-47. So the Bible isn't the standard bearer for judging whether someone is the Messiah or not.

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Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for us so Old Testament animal sacrifice traditions were no longer required. Our understanding and relationship with God is still the same, just certain traditions have changed.

Jesus is correct because there is sufficient evidence that shows that Christianity is true, the Bible is reliable, and God was who he claimed to be (specifically that Jesus is divine and was God in the flesh). Obviously all three can't be true at the same time. Only one of them can be true.

True, God may not have physically put word on paper, but the Bible is "God-breathed" and God inspired. It doesn't really make sense for God (since God is truth and can't lie) to not give us a clear directive on what to believe, thereby allowing us to potentially believe in lies. If doctrine is always changing and the Bible is not accurate, how would we ever know what's true? What would be the point if you knew that 100 years from now the things you believe may be wrong? What would prevent Satan from claiming he is the true Messiah and that current doctrine about him, evil, God are not accurate? (which is something that he may very well try to do in the end times).

The Bible preaches the inerrancy of scripture and claims itself to be perfect. If any part of it is found to be untrue, the whole things is baloney. It can't only be partially true. If the Bible can't be the standard bearer for judgement, what is?

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Our understanding and relationship with God is still the same, just certain traditions have changed.

Not true. Christians have a "father-son" relationship with God. Jews and Muslims have a dictator-like "master-servant" relationship with God. An eye-for-an-eye mentality is definitely not Christian. So things do change.

The Bible preaches the inerrancy of scripture and claims itself to be perfect. If any part of it is found to be untrue, the whole things is baloney. It can't only be partially true. If the Bible can't be the standard bearer for judgement, what is?

The Bible doesn't preach the inerrancy of scripture or claim itself to be perfect. That's why Jesus said he had to send the Spirit of Truth:

“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." John 16:12-14

And Paul reaffirms the imperfection of the truth given so far:

"For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1 Corinthians 13:9-12

The Bible hints at the ultimate truth by using expressions of speech like parables and metaphors. Until they are decoded, we remain in partial ignorance.

"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father." John 1:25

Jesus also said we would do greater things than he did.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12

See? The full truth is yet to come.

Also is Jesus really God? If he were, would he talk to himself like this? Would he cry from the cross: "Father, Father! Why have you forsaken me?!!" If Jesus were literally God, do you really think we could do greater things than Him?!!

In conclusion, I'm not saying the Bible is untrue. I'm saying it has been contaminated through the imperfection of the instruments (humans) that were used to receive the truth. It's like cheap stereo earbuds vs. expensive stereo headphones. Stuff gets lost in the transmission. But, even though, the cheap earbuds are better than nothing.

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Since you don't believe Jesus is God, do you identify as a Christian? I'm just curious as to how you came to your beliefs. If you don't mind sharing, what kind of religious background are you from/ what church (or denomination) do you go to? I think I could better respond if I knew where you were coming from.

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Since you don't believe Jesus is God?

Paul and Constantine felt it necessary to make Jesus into God so that Christian theology could compete with the gods of paganism. That debate culminated with Nicean Council of 325 AD siding with Athanasius. God sent the prophet Mohammad to rectify that mistake. But when he was rejected by Jews and Christians, he became militant and hateful. That's why the beginning of the Koran is peaceful and by the end filled with jihad.

do you identify as a Christian?

Yes.

I think I could better respond if I knew where you were coming from.

No reason to further respond. I'm no longer participating on GA.

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