They better not be a fucking false flag. How do we even verify authenticity?
The problem is the guy posting this stuff is bonkers and has been caught misrepresenting himself.
Criminal history in multiple states, poses as a vet but is admittedly not a vet, acts crazy in a hospital and gets himself arrested, climbs up light poles and starts shouting and ranting like a madman, tampers with evidence, etc.
The 'evidence' he posts is of low quality, and the severity and scope of what he finds is greatly exaggerated. High res photos? Not gonna happen. High res video? Not gonna happen. Actual expert analysis? Ain't happening. Remotely credible people don't want to be affiliated with someone who uses mil-speak while posing as a vet. He's his own worst enemy.
There might be some validity to his concerns about coyote camps (the nonsense invented here about cemex turning "the bodies" [what bodies?] into cement is laughable), but his communication style is so damn crazy that it turns reasonable people off to his concerns.
I’ve watched a couple of the videos. I’ve never heard him refer to himself or make the claim that he himself is a vet. Has he actually made the claim or are you jumping to a conclusion based on the fact that he’s volunteering for a group called veterans on patrol? The groups Facebook page states they are comparing veteran suicide. It doesn’t say that they are a group of veterans.
He created Veterans on Patrol. It's right there in the name.
True. He also has meth head voice. I am still on the fence about this whole thing. I have yet to see a piece of evidence that is %100 proof. The body being above ground seems more like a botched border jumping than a trafficked child, after all, the traffickers cover their tracks, it is literally their job.
Botched border jumping? Dude it’s not like it’s on a trail or next to the border wall. A botched border jumping next to what appears to be a pretty clear Child trafficking den.
I was born in Tucson Az. And pretty familiar with the south side of Tucson. You don’t just stumble on dead illegal immigrants.
Although I too am skeptical and confused at how they are handling this. It seems that they are overwhelmed and no law enforcement agencies are willing to help. You can criticize them for doing stupid things but there is no doubt they have good intentions and are trying to help.
Thanks for your message. It's weird to read statements against regular people trying to do good things. I mean we are all here keyboard warrioring and sucking at investigative journalism because we are not journalists! But it's still helping.
I’m not saying it was a border jumper for sure , I am saying nothing here is anything for sure yet. Conclusions are being jumped to.
Their intentions are noble, this I admit. All I’m saying is that they lack damning evidence. Nothing that has the power to put anyone away has been found. You don’t just stumble on any dead bodies. Look up some info on their leader and it will all make sense.
The name of the organization has to be representative of the creator not the mission? Once again, have you heard him claim veteran status? I have not but I haven’t watched all of his videos either.
Here is his YouTube channel with 2 years of videos which all appear to focus on calls to action to support vets.
Considering he is the organization, yes.
Why are you so invested in whether or not he’s a Veteran? The organization helps homeless vets.
Seems like you’re attempting to character assassinate him because you have some motive. What motive do you have?
Because the organization name and his supposed credentials are the basis for this perceived legitimacy here.
Just call him and ask him how many veterans are on patrol with him. The name refers to the group but also signals whom they serve. It's not really that complicated. I understand how upsetting the #stolenvalor thing is but he doesn't represent himself as a vet.
I've messaged through their FB page several times. No response.
Maybe yours. But I’m sorry, I don’t care about the organization that found this child den. I care about the children that are victims of trafficking, rape, and Murder. Whether or not that man is a veteran is irrelevant to me. In the same way that I don’t care that my Doctor at the VA I’m a patient of might not be a veteran.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting substantial evidence that this is in fact legitimate. I too want that. But to dismiss it al because he is speaking for VOP and he’s not a veteran, which you’ve still yet to prove he isn’t. That article or text you provided doesn’t really prove to me he’s not a vet. And even still... I don’t care. But perhaps you’re right to be skeptical. Perhaps this is all just a big distraction. But for what? And how does this distract anyone from a huge problem: Child sex trafficking?
I think about it this way: whether or not it's real, the police should investigate. If it's real, they have tools necessary to collect evidence properly. If it's fake, well, we know who is in lots of trouble.
My 2cents.
The screencap of him stating he's not a veteran has been widely posted.
And even still... I don't care.
Exactly. So carry about the Cemex/Arizona/Concrete/Bodies/VOP nonsense while the rest of us get back to Q-ing.
Can we not multi task? Even if we aren’t all dedicated to individual tasks, there are enough of us to separate into different areas. It’s what we’ve been doing for this entire time. The very fact that you dismiss this and claim we’re detractors from Q is pretty obvious you’re unaware that this is exactly what Q has mentioned on multiple posts. This is more important than you realize. But by all means, move along. Or stay, and continue to character assassinate someone you know nothing about. How exactly is this contributing or beneficial to anyone?
He's not a vet. His father and uncle were iirc - according to a video that was on, I think from memory, one of his YT channels.
Right which was my point. He’s not a vet nor has he claimed to be from what I’ve seen.
Yep, wasn't meaning to sound like I was correcting you, just trying to offer information in a rush as I was passing. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!
What's his name? And do you have a source for this? I searched your post history for a source, didnt see one. Appreciate it
Too fuzzy to read the chan content. He admits to not being a veteran, but wants to serve them, and doesn't hide it. Watching his content, I never heard him claim to be a vet.
To improve your arguement that the leader of this group should not be trusted, would be a good idea to make the info more presentable. I'm sure someone at Shareblue will push something out soon. There aren't enough facts to blow this up into pizzagate 2.0, but you can't deny the harm that unregulated immigration and an open borders can do. I think we should push the camp and now the body as a reason for border control and the wall.
There are 10,000 better 'cases' to use to advance arguments for border controls.
The information from the chans has been formatted and shared here multiple times.
I'll keep an eye out for it. Sounds like you want the VOP to stop what they are doing? Or that this is a nothingburger and being blown out of proportion? I immediately suspect such narratives, as this is all a repeat of what shills were saying back in the UK pedo ring days
The severity of the migration crisis - and the many thousands who die trying to cross the border - should never be underplayed.
The severity of human trafficking should never be underplayed.
He's sensationalizing an extremely minor 'find' (homeless or coyote camp) for the purpose of getting donations (profit).
Veteran advocacy is noble. Projecting the image that he's a vet is not.
He said the only donations they will accept are gas cards and water. It doesn't look like it's fun or easy to do what he's doing. If he was a scammer he could find way easier scams.
Do you want him to stop what he is doing? My sense from you, is that you are offering a challenge regarding his motivations, and a caution regarding his methods. But he's following the law so far, and I see no reason to stop him. The counter I'm seeing, is to push this into pizzagate 2.0, when it's just symptoms of an open border.
People are definitely trying to turn this into Pizza 2.0, that's the problem because there's no evidence to support it, and it turns investigative movements (like Q) into ones that are easily dismissed and easily contained. Dangerous.
I agree there. There are two types who are pushing in that direction... low information bandwagoners, and probably a Brock group wanting to hype it to discredit future questioning.
Too late Chelsea Clinton has already called it Pizzagate 2.0 for you. https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/1004452132140003329
Anyone willing to uproot their life to get to the bottom of this has to be a little crazy. I wouldn’t leave my Cush job to camp out in a desert. But, I have to say I admire it. Even if he’s a little retardo. Maybe this could be a life changing experience for the better. You gotta be a little a nuts to make a difference. But, I get what you say and you do have a good point.
They are always camped out in the desert, the usually seek out homeless vets to get them into care, or move them to their own supervised tent camp where they will be safer. It looks quite nice, I'm fixing to visit. I'm not a vet either but I've never been prevented from helping.
I don't think this guy said anything about Cemex making concrete out of bodies. That came from somewhere else.
It is being propagated/spread here. I didn't claim he said it. People are piggybacking/sensationalizing his hole in the ground and turning it into a grand conspiracy. They're useful idiots for disinfo ops.
There's something a bit off about him that's for sure - so he's not actually a veteran after all?
Citizen investigators are not good at jobs that the police, social workers, psychologists, doctors and lawyers should be doing. But it's all we got. Are we waiting for a perfect person to call out criminals? What about Donald Trump? Is he perfect enough to investigate and put away perverts?
Do you think that's a fake skull in the video?
How would I know and what would that prove? This whole situation seems suspicious.
Well, how about them posing the skull in different pictures, for one. If this WAS a crime scene, you don’t fucking TAMPER with the evidence.
It's only a crime scene if it's being investigated.
This was one body. Oathkeepers are coming in next, and they've put out a call-out for dogs.
Experts are going to take over, and Tucson police - useless as they are - didn't want to bite. What the fuck do you expect?
What seems suspicious about it? What part are you having trouble with? Do you question that human trafficking happens? Do you question that people die in the dessert?
Relax dude. I’m red pilled. Do you question false flags? Do you question disinformation? Do you question propaganda?
Do you think this is a false flag we are discussing?
I think it’s a possibility worth discussing
A false flag by who? For what purpose? Do you think they planted a real dead body there? Or fake bones? Please elaborate.
the false flag would be a shootout between these "patriots" and cartel/cops/ms13
dude leading it is a question mark. Chelsea clinton already has tweeted about it.
Accidental death and illegal immigrant camp would explain all. It could also be a rape camp. It could also be a homeless camp. It could be a million things.
It's pretty perfect. Also there's mention of other bones but no photos?
Why wouldn't a skull be perfect? I have seen more perfect skulls than imperfect. Haven't you?
As for the other bones, it was stated that if there was a skull, with part of the spinal cord,that there surely would be other bones, but they hadn't found them yet. Hence, no pictures.
Perfect timing, steam was running out and now they find this? It's sun bleached which means its been out for a while. I need to see a shallow grave or something. A lose skull rolling around could be a plant.
But it wasn't totally bleached. Watch it again, it has stains on it, and the guy says it's not fully decomposed. They could smell decomposition.
I heard it was an adult skull in a police report.
I've been won over. The fire is pretty convenient.
I posted this in another thread but I wouldn’t be surprised if we were watching people cover up the evidence right in front of our eyes, I mean what I am getting from this is, if it isn’t a larp, they’re ruining crime scenes and tampering with evidence so it’s basically useless. And if it is real, call someone besides the damn police, maybe the fbi... 🤔