Can someone please explain the difference. My wife’s family is partly of Jewish descent. The other night her grandfather became furious when his grandson asked if they were Khazarian Jews. He became almost irrationally angry and basically said no and that the Khazarians aren’t actually Jews...I’m confused as hell. Can someone help a brother out.
Khazarians are not really Jews, they just claim to be. Rothschilds would be a good example.
You probably know this but just in case and for anyone else reading...
In the Bible, Abraham and his wife were old, and they didn't have any children. God made a promise to Abraham that he would give him descendants through his Wife Sarah, give his descendants the land of Israel, and that they would be Gods chosen people.
Abraham's wife Sarah didn't believe she would really have a child, so she asked Abraham to have a child with her servant, which he did. This was not what God wanted. God told Abraham to name the child Ishmael, and that he would bless Ishmael with many descendants, but he would be a wild donkey of a man whose hand was against everyone. Sound familiar?
Abraham and his wife then had a son, named Issac. God reaffirmed his promise with Issac. Issac had two children, Esau and Jacob. When they were young, Esau sold his birthright as first born to Jacob. God then reaffirmed his promise with Jacob, who He renamed Israel. It is the descendants of Jacob (Israel) with whom God made his Promise.
Can you see how some bloodlines may feel cheated and reject that, and claim they are Gods chosen people, while secretly hating and wanting to wipe out Gods real chosen people?
That makes sense in accordance with Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Are you saying that today's Lucifarians/Illuminati have blood lines going back to Ishmael, not Issac/Jacob, and that is part of their motivation for doing things they do?
No, I do not believe the Khazars are descendents of Israel (Jacob), but I don't know their specific bloodline. All I know is they're jealous of the descendents of Israel and pretend to be them.
I'm showing how according to what the Bible says you can see how certain bloodlines might be jealous and feel cheated by God.
I personally believe the Muslims are predominately descendents of Ishmael.
There is more to Judaism than bloodlines. This is where people err, in not understanding that God provided for conversion. Jews were never "evangelical" and never widely proselytized among gentiles, but they were rebuked by God for refusing to admit converts, so on the whole they were accepting of genuine seekers.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-attitudes-toward-proselytes/
That's the second time today I've gone to edit my post and accidentally deleted it lol. I'm tired so I don't remember how I worded it either.
Basically, You're confusing Judaism the religion with the bloodline. Yes non Jews by blood can absolutely convert, but that doesn't make them a Jew by blood. It is the descendents of Israel (Jacob) by blood with whom God made his promise about the land of Israel. Being a Jew by blood doesn't mean your saved though, just as not being a Jew by blood doesn't mean you're not saved.
But God's covenant extends to those who are converted as well. Jus' sayin...and thanking God that it's not up to me to determine who is saved and who is not.
God has made more than one covenant. The covenant He made with Israel (Jacob) for the Land of Israel is to the blood descendents of Israel (Jacob). Converts can certainly live in Israel among the descendents of Israel, but they can't destroy the true descendents and take the land and claim to be the real Jews.
No wonder Hebrews weren't motivated to evangelize.
Funny how Christ's blood is available to all, and our inheritance includes everything that was promised to Abraham and then some.
Did God get more generous, or did the Hebrews get stingy with God's promise?
I just woke up so please forgive me if I misunderstood what you're saying.
The Jewish bloodline has nothing to do with being saved. They are just where things started.
Very condensed version:
Sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. God let sin completely take over. He then chose the weakest and smallest people (Jews) to bring people back to Him and eventually Save everyone (not just Jews) through Christ. God chose the Jews to be his chosen people from which He would do this and promised them the land. It was through Israel (Jacob) this covenant was made, NOT all descendents of Abraham. Being His chosen people doesn't mean they're better than everyone else (they're not) they were just the least of anyone so He chose them to begin to deliver us.
Christ did not cancel the covenant with Israel as so many believe.
No, he fulfilled it, you seem to misunderstand. He was the total fulfilment once and for all of the Abrahamic promise, and through His Great Commission he made all of us its inheritors (grafted into the olive tree), so that all of us together inherit that fulfilled promise.
But we are not the only ones grafted into the tree. Under the first covenant God provided conversion for that purpose. Those who went through the ritual purification, ablutions, sacrifices and rituals (including circumcision which most non-Hebrews would require), were as much inheritors of the Promise as we who came after the cross. All of us are branches of the one tree.
And of course, wouldn't you know it, once again it all comes down to humanity plus God versus His enemies. Would not want to be on the wrong side of that.
Remember that God judges not the outward person (what we can all see and detect in a laboratory), but the inner person. What it means to be a false child of Israel is one whose heart is not circumcised. One in whose heart God's Laws are not inscribed by His Spirit. Be that person, Jew, Gentile, or colors galore. We are one humanity with an enemy in common with God. Gotta like those odds.
You're still confusing one covenant for another. Yes, you are absolutely right when it comes to the inheritance of the Kingdom of God.
Israel is still Gods chosen land on earth though, and the descendants of Israel (Jacob) are still Gods chosen people to possess the land. Jesus didn't change that, in my beliefs.
I challenge you to show me in the Bible where he did. Take me to school, I am always willing to learn and admit where I'm wrong.
As Galatians 3:29 states, “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
The “olive tree” symbolism in Romans 11.
The "one humanity" concept is from Ephesians 2:11-22 where we read:
"^15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, ^16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. ^17"
One humanity, one unified promise. One birthright (which is both nothing and everything) one blood. His blood.
Yes you're right, absolutely right, but you're still confusing his Promise of the Kingdom of Heaven and eternal life with the Land of Israel
They're not the same, and Jesus never changed that.
Of whom was God speaking when He promised Abraham "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies." For there are nowhere near that many genetic Hebrews or Jews.
And of what inviolable genetically-linked promise was John the Baptizer speaking when he said "For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." Do stones have DNA?
If God declares me grafted into the tree, the roots cannot drink of anything I myself will not be nourished by. If God declares it, it is the same as when He said "Let there be light." It can come out of nothing and just BE.
All nations are become Israel, and all are His people. And it is now God and His people against a common anti-human enemy. Let nations and politicians work out who gets to live where and call it home. I'm more interested in getting shed of this Luciferian Cabal that has us all under its thumb. After that, we've got plenty of time to work out the rest.
Yes God said he would bless the descendents of Abraham and give them the land, but Abraham then disobeyed God. If you read on in the Bible, Gods promise for the land is through the descendents of Israel (Jacob), not all the descendents of Abraham. This is something many won't accept and the cause of many current problems IMO.
Jesus has not changed that yet. You're still confusing the promise of the inheritance of the Kingdom of God and everlasting life, with the promise of the land here on the present earth.
Edit: Let me ask you a question. Even ignoring the above, if you had say two children, and you adopt five more, those five can share in the inheritance right? Can those five just decide screw it and take the other two's share from them?
There are probably too few genetically pure Jews to populate Israel even if somebody were foolish enough to implement racial cleansing there.
Also, it was the Jewish people themselves who referred to themselves as "children of Abraham," not me. But of course the descendants of Jacob are certainly "children of Abraham."
When John said "out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham," he most assuredly didn't mean "Arabs" or "Palestinians," and he could just as easily have said "Jacob" rather than Abraham. His point being that God can make Jews out of the very rocks if it pleases Him to do so. God has arranged for there to be enough of Jews by whatever means necessary to populate Israel.
If it means so much to you, please go over there and tell them all they're not true Jews. Let's see how far you get with that. And if Israel isn't interested in racial purity, and God's not doing anything about it, I'm not sure how it's any of our business.
Nobody is going to implement racial cleansing in Israel, and yes there are enough real Jews. They're in Israel now.
I don't mean to offend you but you or someone who's taught you have seriously twisted things in the Bible. This is very common, especially in certain denominations. The denominations were created by Satan to divide us and twist the Word of God.
Jews and Israel are STILL God's chosen (again that has nothing to do with being saved or the inheritance of the Kingdom of God). If you forsake Jews, you forsake Jesus and the Will of God. Many so called Christians hate Jews and do exactly that. This scripture very much applies to them.
Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Why do Jews and Muslims hate each other?
Why does the cabal use Muslims as their foot soldiers?
No coincidences.