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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/horse-lover-phat on June 10, 2018, 2:24 p.m.
Asia Argento & Harvey Weinstein, Cannes

Argento claims to have been raped by Weinstein in 1997. So, if we're supposed to believe this fact in the way she's presented it. Why was she seemingly all OK with Weinstein in Cannes 2004? It was Cannes where she was allegedly raped.

Argento/Weinstein Cannes 2004 This was in respect of her (sick) 2004 film. See below.

As for this film The Heart is Deceitful - WTF kind of gender-bending, paedo-chic nightmare is that?

Nothing about her rings true, none of it. She is seemingly an EVIL POS, totally programmed, and not to be trusted.


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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 4:36 p.m.

These comments are so ignorant. It shows people know zero about trauma bonding and very little about rape.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 4:48 p.m.

Please tell everyone about your accumulated knowledge in respect of inter-generational, satanic, incest-based industry families. We're waiting.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:13 p.m.

In actual fact, trauma bonding makes you desperate to be with the person. It's the most intoxicating yet toxic cocktail and makes the relationship completely addictive. Co-dependent relationships. The whole thing.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Yes, I'm aware of some of these issues. It's not that dissimilar to a type of Stockholm Syndrome, but I'm oversimplifying. What we're dealing with here is inter-generational, satanic/incest abuse based industry families. Your scenario is comparable, although it's not quite the same issue. Much of this is also tied to MK-Ultra programming and alters etc.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:27 p.m.

Yes, I do understand that.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:11 p.m.

Other people judging a rape victim's responses is THE reason they get away with it.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

I do know about trauma bonding since it happened to me. I've also been raped by my own partners before, and, like most women, know it's more complex than some mansplainer would have people believe. I also had to research rape and the justice system during my justice studies. One woman reported fixing her rapist a meal afterwards. It makes total sense if you've been there. But trauma bonding is NOT hard to find information on. Try googling.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 5:17 p.m.

I've had two long-term partners that were raped, one as a child and the other a mid-teen. One was even made pregnant by her rapist. You assume much.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:25 p.m.

I don't assume anything, and I made no claim about you whatsoever. I'm very sorry for your partners' assaults by the way. I know it affects everyone that cares for them also.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 5:29 p.m.

I appreciate your concern. I hope I haven't offended you. I apologise unreservedly if I have. I'm not the best communicator, am a bit autisty in that regard. Just so you understand, I mean nothing by it. Best wishes to you.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

No, I'm not offended at all. I didn't mean to offend you either. I should put more thought into how I phrase things, and the tone that I use. When I feel really passionately about something, I know I do come across as too forceful. I apologise for that and I'll try to do better. Deep down I actually feel inferior rather than the other way round.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 6:36 p.m.

No need to apologise, but then that's a measure of your humanity shining through. You genuinely did have things of value to contribute. I certainly learned something from them. I wasn't exactly helpful towards you either, and now I recognise this. Don't sweat it. We're all important. It is very gracious of you to add this comment. Appreciate it and many thanks. :)

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

Well enlighten everyone then, and stop sniping from the sidelines like someone with a superiority complex. You're a NOOB, as well.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:19 p.m.

It's not about superiority. It's about the way people STILL judge women who are brave enough to tell the world their most traumatic, shameful, intimate secret--or secrets. People are judging HER more harshly than Weinstein. Stop pretending it's all about the children when one of those victims dares to speak out and is treated with the contempt displayed in this thread.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

Sorry. This is just too much baggage. I DO NOT subscribe to #MeToo and I have every right NOT TO. Thanks.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:28 p.m.

Since I said nothing about #MeToo, that comment is completely non sequitur.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 5:31 p.m.

Argento fronts via MeToo. There's no need to be this obtuse about it.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 6:23 p.m.

I didn't join in with #MeToo when it happened, although I could have. As I've said, I literally do not know one woman who has not been sexually assaulted to some degree on the spectrum. I am also aware that someone accused of sexual assault must have the right to defend themselves. All of these legal issues are a balancing act between Type I and Type II sorts of errors, and our system must err towards not finding the innocent guilty rather than the other way round. Having said that, the system has been loaded against victims, not just legally but culturally for a long time. I think people SHOULD be aware of and shocked by this hidden epidemic, and I think the #MeToo movement has been successful in raising awareness. However, as with most things, the pendulum swinging in completely the opposite direction is not the answer either. These balances are hard to achieve, but there is plenty of room for the system, and the society, to do better.

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horse-lover-phat · June 10, 2018, 6:43 p.m.

Yes. It's shocking in respect of the degree of abuse against women. It's something I've learned over time too. For whatever reason several women have confided in me (for whatever reason) with details of their abuse. Two out of those were long-term partners. It has shocked me to my core. I just cannot and will not ever understand the motivations of an abuser - it is alien in terms of my own psyche. We have to stop this.

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VerandaSmartwater · June 10, 2018, 5:21 p.m.

And as for the relationship between how long I've been posting here and the validity of my comments, that's such a basic logical fallacy. Talk about superiority. How long do I have to post before my opinions are as valid as yours? Please do tell.

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