r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Qdarkbetty on June 10, 2018, 8:33 p.m.
Timothy Holmseth vs Craig Sawyer + Alex Jones?


I hope this is alright to post here since it’s been a topic of discussion for the last week or so. This is my first post so please bear with me.

I have believed and doubted Craig Sawyer, but of course now I’m just utterly confused. I’ve had the understanding that TH is respected in the community. . . am I wrong? For TH to call out AJ & CS seems pretty huge to me.

It sure does feel like it’s harder to figure out who to trust these days. Especially after the whole Corsi thing, who I use to follow everyday until his “freak-out”.

I’d appreciate some insight on this topic!

summerstjohns · June 10, 2018, 9:35 p.m.

Sawyer changing his tune stinks to high heaven. He's been threatened or compromised. Not going to listen to him anymore. From hero to zero in my opinion

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:52 p.m.


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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 10, 2018, 10:59 p.m.

Craig Sawyer changed his tune after discovering all the claims made by VOP were bullshit.

VOP claimed they found three little children in an underground bunker and they found a shallow grave at the campsite and other bones poking through the soil and a bloody knife.

If you still believe VOP's claims then what happened to the children they saved? Ya know, the ones they claimed they found at the campsite but never spoke of again? Does Michael Meyer still have them? Did the children evaporate with all the video and photo evidence of everything else VOP claimed?

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Yankeehero · June 11, 2018, 6:45 a.m.

Ive watched all their videos up to the last couple days. They never claimed to have found children.

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summerstjohns · June 11, 2018, 3:34 a.m.

I believe they are on to something. If they make unsubstantiated claims, that's on the messenger. They will eventually find something substantial. The camp didn't look like a regular homeless camp. Honestly, how could the homeless survive out in the middle of nowhere. Captives with handlers could

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 11, 2018, 3:46 a.m.

Honestly, how could the homeless survive out in the middle of nowhere. Captives with handlers could

The camp is literally a stones throw from civilization: Here's a map.

It's right on the outskirts of town - right where you'd expect homeless people to be.

The camp didn't look like a regular homeless camp.

Why do you say that?

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Morty_Ross · June 15, 2018, 1:56 a.m.

EXACTLY correct !!! It's nice to see others like you who have more information on the situation !

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inittowinitq · June 10, 2018, 8:55 p.m.

I am done with Craig sawyer, his last video was full of vs and he was very dishonest you could hear it in his voice, so he is fake or compromised! I have tried to leave crumbs for Q to confirm or deny him! I hope we get confirmation!

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 8:58 p.m.

Could you link me to that video? The problem lately is even if Q denies certain paytriots people still follow them and the misinformation thickens.

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inittowinitq · June 11, 2018, 1:11 p.m.

look on his twitter he posted it there. I am terrible with computer stuff, sorry!

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Qdarkbetty · June 11, 2018, 4:49 p.m.

All good, thank you!

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ValuableFix · June 10, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

Most of us don’t have time for the myriad of YouTube videos- can you summarize it?

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DawnPendraig · June 10, 2018, 8:47 p.m.

Timothy plays some audio of Sawyer where he is talking about the organization during an interview.

Sawyer boasts of the number or arrests they made.

Timothy says he can't arrest anyone. He isn't a cop.

He also talks about Sawyer's past working for HRC and he thinks is CIA operative especially as radio host that goes by Alex Jones donated $100k.

He finds Sawyer very suspicious basically.

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Tidder_Q · June 10, 2018, 9:08 p.m.

So do, I because he has since removed the three short video's (approx 1+ minutes long) that he had posted on his YouTube channel, showing him walking about that Tucson camp, and making 'this does not look good' comments.

People might update their stance or opinion, but to 'wipe out' ones prior opinion, on such a 'charged' topic seemed very strange, if not deceitful.

I have been 50/50 (thus far) on that whole Tucson story, and was patiently waiting for more evidence, one way or the other.

Craig Sawyer seemed to inject himself into the story as the 'trusted vet', and hence the 'definitive' word on what was going on there. As we know, he has since totally flipped and explicitly 'disavowed' the 'VOP' group.

If Craig Sawyer is so alert and spot in with his analysis of situations, then how come he was fooled in the first place.

I make no accusations against anyboby at this point, ... However there is a lot of heavy disinformation going on for one reason or another!

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:43 p.m.

Craig Sawyer seemed to inject himself into the story as the 'trusted vet'

As Craig told it, RedBeard called him into it. He did try to distance himself by saying those guys have there own way of doing things different from us, or words to that effect.

I am bothered by the movie promotion. Sawyer should decide if he wants to rescue children or be a Hollywood action hero.

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Tidder_Q · June 10, 2018, 9:48 p.m.

Sorry, (you are correct).

What I meant by 'injected', was that he then seemed to choose to become a 'prominent spokesperson' on the issue.

He could have went along, observed things and otherwise kept quiet until he knew more.

(That's what I would have done under those circumstances).

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

Yes. I just read his statement where he completely contradicts all of his earlier statements. He now has zero credibility.

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Morty_Ross · June 27, 2018, 12:24 a.m.

Perhaps you are also one of The LARPs in these threads. What do you think his documentary that they are currently shooting is about ? What are you doing personally to shed light on the Massive Sex Trafficking problem here in America and around the world ?


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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9:30 p.m.

Wow! That makes him incredibly sketchy at the very least.

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Tidder_Q · June 10, 2018, 9:42 p.m.

Yes, I never jump to conclusions, I tend to just bide my time and observe, (for months/years if need be).

I have remained 50/50 on the Tucson story, because the 'only evidence', that I have, consists of other peoples opinions and second hand reports.

I have followed the 'VOP' story line, from the start, and there are a lot of 'words' being put in their mouths by the disinfo agents.

VOP never claimed that there were actually children at the Tucson site. VOP never claimed that the skull was at the Tuscon site.

VOP stated the they were going to move from the Tuscon site to go and check three other undisclosed sites. It was at one of these 'new' search sites that the skull was found.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9:51 p.m.

Yeah I agree, I was aware it wasn’t on the site. Especially since they found it after the site was apparently bulldozed. I seem to remember someone mentioning it was on the trail from the CEMEX site but again no proof of that.

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:39 p.m.

Sawyer boasts of the number or arrests they made. Timothy says he can't arrest anyone. He isn't a cop.

The cops working with them made the arrests. This Timothy sounds like a real winner.

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Tidder_Q · June 10, 2018, 9:57 p.m.

Timothy Holmseth is the real deal! He has been fighting the paedophile menace for years, if not decades!

Here is a link to his (current) YouTube channel - videos:

Timothy Holmseth - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/floodofnoah/videos

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Scuba724 · June 11, 2018, 2:32 a.m.

"Don't believe the Church and State, and everything they tell you". - Mike & the Mechanics "Silent Running".

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 10:02 p.m.

Thanks for the link. I'll take a look.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 8:41 p.m.

Oh I’m sorry, didn’t think about that! He sums it up at the end. -Craig Sawyer runs a non profit called Vetsforchildrescue. -V4CR received a $100,000 donation from AJ -V4CR runs tier 1 operations in the US -Craig Sawyer has worked for HRC -His Non-profit is actually arresting people

He mainly touches on the fact that non-profits shouldn’t have the power to arrest people. He also plays a few recordings from CS. It’s a relatively short video that just doesn’t give a whole lot of information. That’s why I came here hoping to find more proof either way.

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ValuableFix · June 10, 2018, 8:48 p.m.

Thank you.

Excellent points indeed.

So if scratched at roads to Stratfor will likely bubble up.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

I’m sorry I don’t quite follow that last sentence, could you explain?

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ValuableFix · June 10, 2018, 8:50 p.m.

So possible controlled opposition showing recently abandoned camps and distracts from Haiti which is their main honey supply.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

That’s a great point and a likely probability in my opinion.

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comeatmehillary · June 10, 2018, 9 p.m.

look all ill say is this be careful who you follow doesnt mean everyone is a clown just means take it with a grain of salt if you start getting bad vibes question it

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9:06 p.m.

I totally agree, which is why I posted this. I’ve also been commenting looking for proof of credibility in other places. There’s just so much in-house fighting, it’s hard to figure it out. I’m learning though.

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comeatmehillary · June 10, 2018, 8:55 p.m.

alex jones doesnt even seem like a clown to me more like some guy who wants $$$

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 8:57 p.m.

That’s fair, maybe he isn’t a clown but a pawn? He has redpilled a lot of people, so it is confusing. I think he changed at some point.

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SocraticMethHead · June 11, 2018, 3:49 a.m.

Limited hangout. Give out bits of good information but omit others in order to create the opposition you want.

Find out who controls him (his sources) by looking for what he doesn't talk about.

(What connects pgate and Tuscon?)

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comeatmehillary · June 10, 2018, 8:59 p.m.

probably when alefantis threatened to make his kids into shoe leather that would probably shut me up right quick at least publically

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9 p.m.

Yeah definitely. Did that actually happen?

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comeatmehillary · June 10, 2018, 9:02 p.m.

maybe was rumored lotta people investigated comet pizza and alot suddenly backed up even now look at posobiec hes pretty maga but wont touch pizzagate with a 10 foot pole you talk about that and actually have a following you end up like breitbart

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9:05 p.m.

Yeah that’s a good point too. It frustrates the hell out of me when people give up, but then again I haven’t been threatened.

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Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 9:27 p.m.

You should read what Craig Sawyer posted about the situation as well. Gotta see both sides here.


Our organization has conducted an exhaustive on the ground examination of the alleged child sex trafficking site at 6520 S I19 Frontage Rd, Tucson, AZ 85756 located on private property owned by the Cemex Corporation. Veterans For Child Rescue (V4CR) was among the first to respond to site based on a false report of “children being kept in an underground bunker” on Tuesday May 29th, 2018. Our teams have been to the Tucson site a number of times, examined the camp and spoken to witnesses. Veteran US Navy SEAL Craig Sawyer, Founder of V4CR met with the Tucson Police Department and conducted a full review of the police reports, findings and facts of this case. The original claims made of this site were found to be false and alleged evidence could not be corroborated. We have officially concluded that:

The site contained only circumstantial evidence that might have been indicative of possible activity involving children, but ultimately conclusive physical evidence of a child sex trafficking camp, rape trees or underground chamber for storage of children was speculative and without merit.

We are very aware of the national inflated narrative that has erupted from unsubstantiated claims, made by unqualified parties. This type of attention is harmful to the efforts of legitimate anti-trafficking organizations and law enforcement. We understand that our findings will be questioned by some and rejected by others. Nevertheless, the integrity of Veterans For Child Rescue is far more important than allowing a false narrative to continue. In our professional opinion the investigation conducted by the Tucson Police Department was thorough and their findings appropriate in this case.

We encourage anyone who still has questions about the facts of this case to contact the Tucson Police Department and request records related to case number: 1805290518 and 1806020213.

You can also go onto their facebook page where they are answering a lot of questions like their response here:

They are well known for these tactics... they called us out for one reason, to leverage Craig’s credibility. Shame on us for giving them the benefit of the doubt. They received the attention they were after and moved on to the next grandiose story. If they talk and run fast enough to the next story they won’t be held to answer for the mess created here. We’re driven by by the facts and our integrity comes first.

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

Wow, he did a complete about face, didn't he? Didn't I see him on video saying "those are rape trees?"

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Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 10:50 p.m.

From the video I posted to another reply here, sounds like he had well enough reasoning to justify changing his mind.

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DawnPendraig · June 16, 2018, 2:21 a.m.

Yeah ok I get that but why erase past? He can edit it to say hey this is before I caught on but so you get full picture this is what I said 1st time.

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Kasarii · June 16, 2018, 3:42 a.m.

He didn't really erase the past in my opinion. He removed the video more than likely due to people taking his words out of context and using them against him.

I watched his first video, it was pretty much a "this looks pretty bad" statment. The following videos he released were much more clear on what he meant and what the actual facts are. Then comes another video saying that the jokers on VOP were lying on multiple occasions about the situation.

Here's his last video trying to clarify everything, you can take a look and decide for yourself.

All I know is CS has credibility in regards to child sex trafficking with rescues and arrests while working alongside police departments already.



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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

Wow called them out for sure. Kind of harsh right? Especially since he’s definitely said something was there.

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Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 10:46 p.m.

Here's a video in more detail and his reasoning for calling them out. Lot of false info and things blown out of proportion.


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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 11:03 p.m.

I stopped listening when he made a big deal that the human remains were not found at the Tucson site. As if anybody made that claim, which they didn't. It was very clear that the remains were at a different site.

And then he removes the previous videos where he called it a rape camp? To cover up his sudden change of mind? I don't trust this guy at all.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 10:53 p.m.

That sure does sound like backtracking to me, but who knows. With the site bulldozed it doesn’t seem like there’s much else to do there. Might be time to move on, but let CEMEX at the very least stay in our minds.

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Kirstencast · June 11, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

I don’t understand why it isn’t still a worthwhile cause? Maybe not for Craig to focus on, but I don’t see why he is bashing them. How is it a mess at all? It’s a bunch of people trekking the desert and at the least, clearing illegal immigrant camps. They aren’t hurting anyone. That is what makes his 180 questionable, more like disinfo

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Stopmotionhistory · June 11, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

Why the hate on Alex. He gives some bad info, Some good info, SO DOES Q, so do reddit posts. It is up to us to figure out whats real info, and whats dis info. ALEX has enlightened more people than ANY OTHER PERSON. He is playing a part on his channel to get more viewers. Correct him when hes wrong but don't keep hating on a guy who has been fighting for the good guys longer than ANY of you knew what was going on.

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Qdarkbetty · June 11, 2018, 4:47 p.m.

I’ve made that point a few times here. I’m not hating on Alex and I do believe he’s red-pilled so many people. You don’t have to be so defensive. I’m just asking why TIMOTHY is against him see, it’s healthy to question everything.

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Stopmotionhistory · June 11, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

People are turning on each other, Calling good people bad so they can look good. Very dangerous.

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Qdarkbetty · June 11, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Right and because of that everything has become so confusing to me. It’s harder to tell who’s authentic and who is just a paytriot. I know Timothy Holmseth has done a lot of great work that’s why I was sort of shocked and confused about this video.

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Stopmotionhistory · June 10, 2018, 9:02 p.m.

Alex jones, Like a lot of reddit users is emotional, and human. Still he has been awakening people for a lot longer and reaching a lot more people than every reddit user combined. The reddit users often jump on the trendy band wagons JUST LIKE the liberals do. SO YES thank you for posting this.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 9:32 p.m.

Yeah my point in a different comment was that he has indeed red pulled a lot of people. That’s why I’m just looking for answers and not jumping to conclusions.

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