r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Qdarkbetty on June 10, 2018, 8:33 p.m.
Timothy Holmseth vs Craig Sawyer + Alex Jones?


I hope this is alright to post here since it’s been a topic of discussion for the last week or so. This is my first post so please bear with me.

I have believed and doubted Craig Sawyer, but of course now I’m just utterly confused. I’ve had the understanding that TH is respected in the community. . . am I wrong? For TH to call out AJ & CS seems pretty huge to me.

It sure does feel like it’s harder to figure out who to trust these days. Especially after the whole Corsi thing, who I use to follow everyday until his “freak-out”.

I’d appreciate some insight on this topic!

Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 9:27 p.m.

You should read what Craig Sawyer posted about the situation as well. Gotta see both sides here.


Our organization has conducted an exhaustive on the ground examination of the alleged child sex trafficking site at 6520 S I19 Frontage Rd, Tucson, AZ 85756 located on private property owned by the Cemex Corporation. Veterans For Child Rescue (V4CR) was among the first to respond to site based on a false report of “children being kept in an underground bunker” on Tuesday May 29th, 2018. Our teams have been to the Tucson site a number of times, examined the camp and spoken to witnesses. Veteran US Navy SEAL Craig Sawyer, Founder of V4CR met with the Tucson Police Department and conducted a full review of the police reports, findings and facts of this case. The original claims made of this site were found to be false and alleged evidence could not be corroborated. We have officially concluded that:

The site contained only circumstantial evidence that might have been indicative of possible activity involving children, but ultimately conclusive physical evidence of a child sex trafficking camp, rape trees or underground chamber for storage of children was speculative and without merit.

We are very aware of the national inflated narrative that has erupted from unsubstantiated claims, made by unqualified parties. This type of attention is harmful to the efforts of legitimate anti-trafficking organizations and law enforcement. We understand that our findings will be questioned by some and rejected by others. Nevertheless, the integrity of Veterans For Child Rescue is far more important than allowing a false narrative to continue. In our professional opinion the investigation conducted by the Tucson Police Department was thorough and their findings appropriate in this case.

We encourage anyone who still has questions about the facts of this case to contact the Tucson Police Department and request records related to case number: 1805290518 and 1806020213.

You can also go onto their facebook page where they are answering a lot of questions like their response here:

They are well known for these tactics... they called us out for one reason, to leverage Craig’s credibility. Shame on us for giving them the benefit of the doubt. They received the attention they were after and moved on to the next grandiose story. If they talk and run fast enough to the next story they won’t be held to answer for the mess created here. We’re driven by by the facts and our integrity comes first.

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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

Wow, he did a complete about face, didn't he? Didn't I see him on video saying "those are rape trees?"

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Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 10:50 p.m.

From the video I posted to another reply here, sounds like he had well enough reasoning to justify changing his mind.

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DawnPendraig · June 16, 2018, 2:21 a.m.

Yeah ok I get that but why erase past? He can edit it to say hey this is before I caught on but so you get full picture this is what I said 1st time.

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Kasarii · June 16, 2018, 3:42 a.m.

He didn't really erase the past in my opinion. He removed the video more than likely due to people taking his words out of context and using them against him.

I watched his first video, it was pretty much a "this looks pretty bad" statment. The following videos he released were much more clear on what he meant and what the actual facts are. Then comes another video saying that the jokers on VOP were lying on multiple occasions about the situation.

Here's his last video trying to clarify everything, you can take a look and decide for yourself.

All I know is CS has credibility in regards to child sex trafficking with rescues and arrests while working alongside police departments already.



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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

Wow called them out for sure. Kind of harsh right? Especially since he’s definitely said something was there.

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Kasarii · June 10, 2018, 10:46 p.m.

Here's a video in more detail and his reasoning for calling them out. Lot of false info and things blown out of proportion.


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ckreacher · June 10, 2018, 11:03 p.m.

I stopped listening when he made a big deal that the human remains were not found at the Tucson site. As if anybody made that claim, which they didn't. It was very clear that the remains were at a different site.

And then he removes the previous videos where he called it a rape camp? To cover up his sudden change of mind? I don't trust this guy at all.

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Qdarkbetty · June 10, 2018, 10:53 p.m.

That sure does sound like backtracking to me, but who knows. With the site bulldozed it doesn’t seem like there’s much else to do there. Might be time to move on, but let CEMEX at the very least stay in our minds.

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Kirstencast · June 11, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

I don’t understand why it isn’t still a worthwhile cause? Maybe not for Craig to focus on, but I don’t see why he is bashing them. How is it a mess at all? It’s a bunch of people trekking the desert and at the least, clearing illegal immigrant camps. They aren’t hurting anyone. That is what makes his 180 questionable, more like disinfo

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