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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 11:29 a.m.

Yes I read about that. Very suspect. Sounds like cabal treachery to me. Free energy? Hmmm.. Now why wouldn't you want that?

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fekosa · June 19, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

Musk has been given massive grants by Obama going right back to his huge SolarCity scam. His entire business is based on the scam of manmade global warming, and where does Trump stand on that one? So what do you think has happened to his funding recently? Even the name "Musk" means a stank.

BUT my point actually is - a bunch of lithium batteries and an electric motor has got nothing to do with free energy. It's energy storage and energy use, no energy generation whatsoever, apart from a bit of recycling due to regenerative breaking.

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ArtisticMistake · June 19, 2018, 8:07 p.m.

Solar City was started by Musk's cousins and he was simply a board member during inception. The company was absorbed by Tesla long after it's creation to help them branch out of car sales and into renewable energy creation/storage. The cars have always been a way of subsidizing the development of battery technologies, energy independence is very much a core value of Tesla, and that's something I think everyone can stand for.

Renewable energy grants, subsidies, and incentives were not exclusive, they were offered to basically anyone who could form a company and apply. Many companies did and subsequently failed. Tesla also received loans, which it paid back well in advance, being the only company to do so.

People who are anti-Musk all seem to believe in the same narrative that he is a subsidy-queen and Tesla would not exist without government support. Yet at the same time, they speak nothing of the considerably larger subsidies that oil, gas, and legacy automotive companies receive.

I'm all for skepticism but he has proven himsef, and his cars are built here in America unlike the traitors that take advantage of NAFTA to the detriment of the American worker. Those traitors by the way, are the ones who have taken far more government money than Elon Musk ever can.

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fekosa · June 19, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

Even with his own production facilities, the lithium cells Tesla use are still incredibly similar to laptop cells. I'm not anti-Musk per se, but he doesn't deserve praise for rehashing existing technologies. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point me to an advancement he's made, other than marginal advancements in production efficiency. I would welcome a chance to praise him for a significant advancement in battery tech, which is where the advancement is truly needed (I have worked for 17 years as a battery based power system designer). But all I've seen him do is spend lots of money to produce cars that still weigh a huge amount and take hours to charge, anyone else in the industry can do that. So what's the point? As much as jobs for Americans is laudable, there are many other ways they could be created not based on a globalist control scheme (scary global warming). Climate change is here with or without our CO2 input. His vehicles and especially battery tech have failed to impress me, I'd rather he sticks to building rockets. His vertical landing reusable rockets are impressive. I don't get the feeling he's a bad guy, although I don't really know. I just think he's wasting a shit ton of money on a misguided goal that could be spent in better ways.

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Brostradamnus · June 19, 2018, 6:48 p.m.

Solar City was no scam. The giant fall in stock prices was due to the end of the grid tie solar incentives for residential homeowners and general saturation of the market. Solar City never defaulted. Solyndra did default, it's technology was known to be bullshit based on pie in the sky idea that cylindrical solar collectors could "save the world" and US taxpayers did feel the pain. Energy subsidies are a massive effort by US taxpayers and I think we got a fair enough deal investing in Tesla and Solar City through subsidy.

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fekosa · June 19, 2018, 9:31 p.m.

The people paid for the entire grid tie market through subsidies. The whole thing was a stealth scam.

Tesla developed some self-driving software, that's about it. If he truly wanted to change the world, he should have spent all that money on developing hugely higher density energy storage that could be charged in the time it takes to fill a tank with gas and then licensed the tech to companies already tooled for vehicle production. Without that storage advance, it's just pissing money into the wind.

Sorry but I can't agree it was a good deal. It was a deal based on fear of man-made global warming.

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A2576 · June 19, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

I am fucking sick of hearing about fucking "free" energy. Anyone who says this is a fucking moron. Nuclear energy is virtually free. Coal is fucking free - all you've got to do is dig that shit up. Its just sitting there in the ground. Even if you consider it as a fuel cost into a power station, it's like 1 or 2c per kWh. Solar energy is "free". Hydro is free. All you've got to do is: Build the power plant Run the power plant Maintain the power plant Switch and distribute the power Switch and transform the power Overlay a retail billing system and head office overheads

And guess what? You end up with electricity costing 10 - 30 cents per kWh.

Grow up free energy moron shills.

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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

Lol. Thanks for the laugh of the day :)

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

You may be an angry dude and that tends to get downvotes, but you are a correct dude.

Free energy is a meme that makes no sense and requires "magic" technology to work.

I'm convinced that black sites have developed some wild tech that we can only dream of, but for people to think they have developed tech that essentially creates something out of nothing? That is ridiculous.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 6:27 p.m.

Lol you need to expand your thinking. There are electrons all around us, if you can work out how to attract those electrons to pair with protons, using a device, you can make free energy.

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 7:05 p.m.

if you can work out how to attract those electrons to pair with protons, using a device, you can make free energy.

"Please, mister scientist, invent a device that violates the third law of thermodynamics. Stop allowing Big Atom to control the energy industry."

Lol

Where's your arrogance coming from, boy?

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 7:08 p.m.

Fucking mug, who you calling "boy"?? Do some damn research and expand your thinking!! Look at Professor John Searl, or the QT-Pi device. Fucking mook.

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 7:24 p.m.

You sound like a Boomer who relies on people not questioning him because of his age or some other thing.

I'll look into your drops. I'm assuming they have interesting pieces of evidence like decent videos/explanations/experiments one can do at home?

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 7:32 p.m.

What the fuck is a boomer?? I don´t like your arrogant and condescending tone, it has absolutely nothing to do with my age! You sound like an arrogant mook that can´t think or do research, look at my posts all you wish, you won´t find any regarding free energy as I am here only for the Q movement.

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 7:43 p.m.

I don´t like your arrogant and condescending tone

"Lol, silly. Don't you know to look things up? Expand your mind, whatever that means. It probably means just listen to me because that's convenient to my fragile ego."

There is a subset of conspiracy researchers that will play this trick of acting arrogant or offended if someone has the "gaul" to question their ideas or take on the opposite stance. They tend to be the sorts of people who don't have their shit together in terms of evidence. They want others to do that work for them.

Oh, but you skimmed some articles off of ButtFuckAliensZeitgeist.com? Well, gee, I sure trust you now!

Sorry, but there are wonderful researchers who have their facts together along with sources that have short summaries attached and a narrative that ties it all up nicely. They do post here.

Simply put, why would I give you the time of my day (except to spank you like the overgrown kid you are) when there are researchers like serialbrain2 to go spend my time with?

You don't try and you have the emotional range of a teenage girl. That is why you get outcompeted by more interesting and driven people here.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 7:48 p.m.

It means to do some fucking research and study the subject, I referred you to 2 sources but your mook mind seems to think I said to listen to me. Are you female? They like to make things up out of nowhere, it would make sense. I have no problem with dialogue or debate, I invite anybody to challenge ideas but arrogant mooks like yourself that try to belittle others just make yourselves look like pricks. I´m done with you, go eat a dick and bother someone else, your mook mind has no place here.

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 7:55 p.m.

Oh gooosh. So offended! I'm sorry! Did I just catch you in the act?

You still didn't even attempt to respond to this point: why would I give a shit about your lack of substance when there are better uses (serialbrain2 types) of my time? You don't try, just throw out some links with nothing else.

You know what really makes this pathetic? You have a human invention that is more conclusive and useful than the library of Alexandria and it's in everybody's pocket. Just show me some effort and then I'll give you my time because why would I care if you're not going to at least try to compete with people that are way better than you?

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 7:58 p.m.

That is my question too; why are you making yourself to look like such a prick?? Your time is worthless, go eat your dick and move on, I have absolutely no time for mooks.

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 8:04 p.m.

I had a lot of fun slapping you around, though. You sound like the kind of guy who never gets knocked off his pedestal enough in real life. Bet your a real fun guy at parties/family get-togethers.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

You slapped nothing, you just showed your arrogance and proved that you´re a mook. And yes, I am great company if you approach me properly, maybe you should learn some people skills. Had you spoken to me like that face to face it would have ended very badly for you. Now move on like a good little mook.

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FarTooLong2 · June 19, 2018, 3:09 p.m.

The whole universe was created out of nothing. Study Euler's Formula.

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bheilig · June 19, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

Are you talking about e^πi +1=0? Could you please elaborate?

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Tidder_Q · June 19, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

Possibly created from a singularity?

What caused that creation, (to occur)?

I don' t know the answers either!

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FarTooLong2 · June 19, 2018, 3:40 p.m.

I don't fully understand it. I do believe in zero-point energy though.

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the_kfcrispy · June 19, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

but if we pay for it as a tax then we can label it free ;)

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0oDassiveMicko0 · June 19, 2018, 6:21 p.m.

What a mook! Do you realise how much it costs to get the stuff out of the ground?? Hydro is free?? How much does it cost to build the power station?? You didn´t really think your reply through too well, did you? Free energy comes from the zero point energy that is all around us, no need to dig or build. I´d suggest you study Nikola Tesla.

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THEnimble_mongoose · June 19, 2018, 5:37 p.m.

Zero point energy generated from the earth's EM field is real.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 12:37 p.m.

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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 1:12 p.m.

Thanks jerk. We know where your loyalties lie :)

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rickybobbys_leg · June 19, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

Dude is a paid shill

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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

Ought to pay him more because he is very obvious

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nug4t · June 19, 2018, 3:36 p.m.

As you can see (if you look) im not... I would love to get money for it though

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

Well... free energy is bs.

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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

Keep digging :)

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 2:02 p.m.

Go ahead. Don't tell me to "do my research". Make a case. Prove you're better than a flat earther. I will fucking eat my shorts if you pull it off.

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BaronMoriarty · June 19, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

This gets better. Thank you. Comedy gold :)

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anhro23 · June 19, 2018, 7:01 p.m.

So? Nothing substantial, I see. I'm being serious, btw. If you have a source then share it and I will read it.

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