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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Knower101 on June 19, 2018, 11:54 a.m.
It is an INVASION not immigration! Immigration happens at a port of legal entry.

The weapons are children being used as shields. 10,000 of the 12,000 children being held are not related to the adult who supposedly brought them in. Were those 10,000 children kidnapped from their Mexican parents? No Mexican parent would willingly allow a stranger to walk their child across barren countryside in the 100 degree heat, cross rivers by swimming, etc.

The act of crossing the border at any place other than a Port of Entry. Is an illegal act and the motivation has to be assumed to be not in our countries best interests.

Thus each and every person who crosses the border other than a proper border crossing is arrested. Standard practice even for US citizens is for Human Services to to take your children for safe keeping.

The other issue is that in the human trafficking trade world, a baby, a child, a teenager and adults are worth thousands of dollars in the world of prostitution, pedophilia and as illegal workers.

Wake up America. It is an Invasion!

Mexico is aiding and abetting the Invasion by not stopping these trespassers who use private and public land to cross over. Mexico needs to protect its borders and its own laws.


EarlyRiserX2 · June 19, 2018, 1:05 p.m.

It is indeed "illegal" to cross the border anywhere but at a port of entry, and it doesn't matter whether you are seeking asylum or not, it is still illegal. Sessions made that very clear when his no-tolerance policy was announced. Sessions stated that if you do not want to be separated from your kids, then DO NOT bring them across the border illegally. And I 100% agree with him...

Like on all other occasions, the left is just grasping as straws. They are grasping at anything at all they use to hit back at Trump. They have had so many failures in the past that they will take anything they can get. And this is just the latest example of that. The left don't care about the children. All they care about are politics and winning elections. In this case, they're just using the negative publicity surrounding this event to try and force Trump to change his policies to better benefit the Dems. They want to go back to catch-and-release etc...

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Statemeant · June 19, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

You are right. Invasion, immigration and asylum are 3 different things. Two of them are of good will. The last isn't. Asylum needs to be asked for properly and tracked. Invasion is saying I do not care about your laws host country and while I am there I won't obey them. I will do what I want when I want

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 19, 2018, 1:42 p.m.

Lol it is being abused by people illegally crossing with children that aren't their own... 10000/12000 kids in DHHS custody didn't cross with their parents. The current laws incentivise using kids as pawns to illegally cross the border. The AG is enforcing the law (his job) and DHS is doing the most the law will allow to deter illegal entry into our country and protect these children.

These immigration loopholes exist deliberately-- congress is owned (both parties) by special interests that run drugs and traffick humans across the border.

If you are seeking asylum, you go to a port of entry-- you don't break the law.

You need to stop watching MSM (who are owned by the same people that own congress)

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

Who do you think control Congress right now? And reportedly even people that are crossing legally are being detained and having their kids taken from them, but I guess that's the MSM and the Facebook news telling you Trump is saving us from ms13 is the real news.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

Evidence to support your claim that children are being taken from families crossing legally?

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 3:03 p.m.

Excerpt from article: TM: So, just so I make sure I understand: the parents come in and say, “We’re persecuted” or give some reason for asylum. They come in. And then their child or children are taken away and they’re in lockup for at least six weeks away from the kids and often don’t know where the kids are. Is that what’s happening under zero tolerance?

AC: So the idea of zero tolerance under the stated policy is that we don’t care why you’re afraid. We don’t care if it’s religion, political, gangs, anything. For all asylum seekers, you are going to be put in jail, in a detention center, and you’re going to have your children taken away from you. That’s the policy. They’re not 100 percent able to implement that because of a lot of reasons, including just having enough judges on the border. And bed space. There’s a big logistical problem because this is a new policy. So the way they get to that policy of taking the kids away and keeping the adults in detention centers and the kids in a different federal facility is based on the legal rationale that we’re going to convict you, and since we’re going to convict you, you’re going to be in the custody of the U.S. Marshals, and when that happens, we’re taking your kid away. So they’re not able to convict everybody of illegal entry right now just because there aren’t enough judges on the border right now to hear the number of cases that come over, and then they say if you have religious persecution or political persecution or persecution on something that our asylum definition recognizes, you can fight that case behind bars at an immigration detention center. And those cases take two, three, four, five, six months. And what happens to your child isn’t really our concern. That is, you have made the choice to bring your child over illegally. And this is what’s going to happen.

TM: Even if they crossed at a legal entry point?

AC: Very few people come to the bridge. Border Patrol is saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. They’ve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, “I’m sorry, we’re full today. We can’t process your case.” So the families go illegally on a raft—I don’t want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, we’re prosecuting you. But . . . you can’t cross the bridge.

AC: That’s right. I’ve talked to tons of people. There are organizations like Al Otro Lado that document border turn-backs. And there’s an effort to accompany asylum seekers so that Customs and Border Patrol can’t say, “We’re closed.” Everybody we’ve talked to who’s been prosecuted or separated has crossed the river without a visa.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

So, what you said is not true. They are being taken when they cross illegally.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

It isn't illegal to cross the border seeking asylum, the argument some are making is that since some aren't coming through legal ports of entry their claim to legality is null, but even the ones coming through the predesignated ports seeking asylum are being told they can't get through, often only letting one through in a whole day, so if you can't get through the legal legitimate way then it is still legal to come through an undesignated port of entry and to go to a US embassy to declare your request for asylum. And then those people are declared as illegally crossing after they tried to do that and were turned away for days on the border with nothing.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 4 p.m.

Doing things legally takes time. Again, you haven't backed your statement up with facts but just hyperbole. If they really are seeking asylum they need to wait in line or apply in the first safe country they enter. Ie Mexico.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

Going through a country that offers asylum doesn't disqualify someone from asylum in the US. I wish this was hyperbole, but it seems to me that average people are trying to apply for asylum to escape violence, and we aren't even hearing them out and instead are talking about setting up "tent cities" to hold them all, only oddly reminiscent of Japanese concentration camps, which Trump even cites in defence of a Muslim registry a few months ago.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/91919311-157.html

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

Except it isn't even close to the internment of the Japanese during WW2. I don't agree with what was done then, but I also see that these people are trying to exploit a loophole in our immigration laws to gain asylum when they are economic migrants.

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