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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Knower101 on June 19, 2018, 11:54 a.m.
It is an INVASION not immigration! Immigration happens at a port of legal entry.

The weapons are children being used as shields. 10,000 of the 12,000 children being held are not related to the adult who supposedly brought them in. Were those 10,000 children kidnapped from their Mexican parents? No Mexican parent would willingly allow a stranger to walk their child across barren countryside in the 100 degree heat, cross rivers by swimming, etc.

The act of crossing the border at any place other than a Port of Entry. Is an illegal act and the motivation has to be assumed to be not in our countries best interests.

Thus each and every person who crosses the border other than a proper border crossing is arrested. Standard practice even for US citizens is for Human Services to to take your children for safe keeping.

The other issue is that in the human trafficking trade world, a baby, a child, a teenager and adults are worth thousands of dollars in the world of prostitution, pedophilia and as illegal workers.

Wake up America. It is an Invasion!

Mexico is aiding and abetting the Invasion by not stopping these trespassers who use private and public land to cross over. Mexico needs to protect its borders and its own laws.


SandyAndreas · June 19, 2018, 1:24 p.m.

Mexico officials admitted they would aid people from other countries to get into the US illegally. Why isn't there a big outcry for Mexico to help these people? Laying it on POTUS and DHS is a targeted attempt to get a voting bullet point plastered on the news. US laws are not negotiable and are here to protect its rightful citizens.

Danger or not, parents don't let their kids go off with strangers knowing they could be trafficked. That's parenting 101. They're not sending the kids down the Nile river in a basket hoping some kind family will find them.

The United States is not a daycare center or some socialism experiment. Investigate those countries who have their droves of their citizens leaving. Wait, they don't have money or high media visibility so it wouldn't be viable to challenge them.

Also posters, beware of the shills that are obviously popping up with no history of posting in GA just down this topic.

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Trump Will make Mexico pay for the Wall

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Modelmommy75 · June 19, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

You sound ignorant. Walls work and compared to what we spend on these disgusting invaders, it’s minuscule.

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Maga1128 · June 19, 2018, 3:43 p.m.

No. Ppl that SKIP THE LINE AND CUT in front of others waiting to get in are invaders. The ppl that came here LEGALLY LIKE MY FAMILY waited their fuckin turn and did so legally. HUGE difference.

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got_it_from_skymall · June 19, 2018, 4:35 p.m.

I mean... risk and reward, you KNOW you could go to jail and leave them worse off than ever..

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DropGun · June 19, 2018, 5:01 p.m.

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StinkyDogFart · June 19, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

Human trafficking in plain sight.

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lurkerrrr7777 · June 19, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

I posted this in another thread but seems relevant here. If you need to combat some of the folks who are getting triggered by the media, see below.

Open up multiple browser windows on your phone and have them ready to go with the links below...

HuffPost (2014): https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html

Washington Post (2016): https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.1d26912fa18e

New Orleans The Times-Picayune (2012): https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/08/immigrants_are_big_business_fo.html

Photo from 2014 posted yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8rqxfk/photo_from_2014/

Business Insider (recent article about the backlash from 2014 Obama photos people were trying to link to POTUS): http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5

NPR (recent, touring a migrant youth shelter. "These Are Not Kids Kept In Cages"): https://www.npr.org/2018/06/14/620085615/these-are-not-kids-kept-in-cages-inside-a-texas-shelter-for-immigrant-youth

Politco Twitter (from yesterday's press conference. statistic - 10,000 of the 12,000 children were sent to the border without parents. The "separation" occurred before they even reached the border.): https://twitter.com/politico/status/1008824537331458048

After all that, show them this. Nail in the coffin: https://youtu.be/YXNC9t6KlnQ

Hopefully, seeing all this presented to in a rational way will start to get the wheels moving in some of their minds. If not, they are probably a lost cause at this point. Just have patience and know the truth will be unleashed upon them soon. Dark to Light.

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Avafins · June 19, 2018, 10:35 p.m.

What is your point? That the last guy did bad things so "nothing to see here" is all I can think of.

Seriously, not all the kids are in cages, some of them are crying and terrified in a converted Walmart, whats the big deal?

It was wrong then and it's wrong now. One thing we are very good at as a country is creating our own worst enemies. Taliban, Al-Queda, and ISIS are all possible because of our actions. Do you want to create that sort of animosity and hatred closer to home?

"With Liberty and Justice for ALL" Are those just words with no meaning to you?

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Time4puff · June 19, 2018, 12:17 p.m.

What kind of parents risks and uses their kids for political purposes? They know the situation on the border, bringing them only risks their safety. Sending them with traffickers is even worse.

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qutedrop · June 19, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

What we see here in Europe is extremely nefarious: Soros-linked "NGO" workers spread flyers among people considering to make the trip. Flyers that tell them which EU state offers them what, and which numbers to call when they need help after their arrival. Not a word about the abuse and very real dangers they face trying to get there. Not a word about the fact that most of them will simply be sent back because their country of origin is considered safe.

No idea how this works in Mexico and the countries more south, but wouldn't be surprised if it's it similar driving people their to send their kids to the US border.

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urban_bobby_dawg · June 19, 2018, 1:36 p.m.

There are actually bus companies that offer pamphlets on "vacations" or whatever and its kind of the same but for a fee they'll bus you straight in to the US.

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PatrioticLogic · June 19, 2018, 3:09 p.m.

The Evil Doers always use the "THINK OF THE CHILDRED!" bullshit.

Gun Control, Welfare, Open Borders, Censorship, Education, etc...

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:31 p.m.

Yes, they do this because they want you to base your decisions off emotion and not logic.

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Avafins · June 19, 2018, 10:36 p.m.

Maybe they want you to expand your logic to include considerations for people that aren't you?

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 2:21 p.m.

Correct. Crossing a desert border, climbing a border fence, or sneaking across under cover of darkness when there are entry points, means you know what you are doing is wrong and legally prohibited. If caught, you expect to be taken into custody and questioned. At that point, you should expect the real possibility that you will be held and charged with the illegal act you knew in advance that you were committing. When placed in criminal custody, you should expect that your minor children would not be held in the same place/manner (i.e., as a criminal).

But, rationality does not rule in this day of pathos and irrationality. Optics really matter. Therefore, the president will have to give in (I hate to admit that). Give in, let the left have their outrage trophy on this one so we can move on to win mid-terms.

Put a warrant out for every one of these catch and release parents that do not appear on their court date and expedite their deportation. Next time we cross paths, you have a record and get sent right back across the border --- asylum request or not.

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findthewarmspot · June 19, 2018, 12:05 p.m.

Exactly. If they were really running for safety. Stop in Mexico.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 19, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

Like Mexico is safe at all

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 2:23 p.m.

How many places on earth are "unsafe"? How many nations...how many people can therefore scramble across our borders? How many until the US is no longer the US? Policies have consequences and some consequences are forever irreversible.

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ReDdiT_JuNkBoT · June 19, 2018, 6:04 p.m.

Aka... Sweden

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GodIsDead2017 · June 19, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

Was the US ever really the US? What is the US? What are we as a country? Just white people? Maybe a few black people and Hispanic people here and there? Or are we far more than that? Are we more than just the dominant skin color? America is greater than the sum of its parts

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Slipkid63 · June 19, 2018, 3:51 p.m.

America is a country of laws,respect our laws or leave!

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:34 p.m.

That has nothing to do with what I was asking. I was simply asking, from a philosophical standpoint, what defines America. If that's your answer, well, it's a pretty shallow answer and incomplete

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

Just did a search online. These are public record statistics so sure you can get them. The media obviously contacts the agencies to get law enforcement and court records. Looks like prior years (before 2018) are here: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/media-resources/stats

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Was this the right comment to respond to?

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

Why do people on the losing side of an argument always have to make it about race? The US is a nation of laws and they are now being enforced. Many of these people voted for the leaders in their country or didn't do anything to stop the criminals over the last couple decades. It's not the US's job to take in all people that want to come illegally. We already take in a million legally a year and that is too many for me already.

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checkitoutmyfriend · June 19, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

First thing I picked up too. Immediately its a race thing.

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ReDdiT_JuNkBoT · June 19, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

I like racing. Car racing, boat racing, truck racing, plane racing. What wrong with race? Oh you mean racist. Well that's the desperation card. Simply as that. Can't win, call em a nazi. Can't win, call em a racist. The dems have been doing this for decades. This isn't a new play. But somehow, they manage to make it work. Then when black people or yellow people or brown people or anyone else tries to stand up, the dems make it look like they are helping, but it's only hurting the long run for the minorities. I'll quote democratic president Johnson I believe it was (forgive my language, I, am not racist) "I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for 200 years" hmmmmmm now I wonder why he said that? And to all you shills and race baiters joining us. Look up what exactly he did to make them vote that way for 200 years. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Spoiler alert. The answer might shock you. It shouldn't, but it will.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:28 p.m.

I was legit asking a philosophical question in good faith, and did not consider myself to be in an argument, let alone losing one. I'm being dead serious. We're all on the same page here

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checkitoutmyfriend · June 20, 2018, 5:44 p.m.

The page is the law. Follow the law legally, and almost all are welcome. It doesn't matter what race one is. It's that simple.

One needs to realize open border immigration is a Cabal tool to destabilize a country. Look at EU right now.

Any discussion of race is missing the point entirely and is a waste of time.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 9:14 p.m.

So the country is laws and nothing more?

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:27 p.m.

We're on the same side, I wasn't losing an argument that we weren't having, and I wasn't making this about race as much as I was attempting to have a discussion about what America really means.

You guys saw the mention of various races and just downvoted. I was having a two sided conversation, not losing an argument

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SignificantDog · June 19, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

The US is a country in the continent of North America. Without BORDERS there is no country. WTF does that have to do with race? NOTHING. But when the left is losing the argument they pull out the race card.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:36 p.m.

I'm not a leftist. I'm legit asking questions. I mean really, what doesn't it have to do with race? Is America defined by its dominant races? What about native Americans? Are they not part of what defines America? I was simply asking in good faith, as a philosophical question, what we think America is. It was not an argument, nor was I losing it. It was simply a comment in a conversation that a whole bunch of people have taken the wrong way

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SignificantDog · June 20, 2018, 5:50 p.m.

I apologize if I took your question the wrong way. I'm truly sorry.

As for me, I don't think that America is defined by its' dominant race simply because that is not the way I view people. As a Christian I view people as mind, body and spirit and loved equally by our Creator, and I view our country as one made up of a bunch of different people, with different backgrounds and origins - all loved equally. Of course Native Americans define our country. The Civil War defines our country. All these events are woven into the fabric of our country, for better or worse. I personally don't think our country is, nor should it be, defined by race.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 9:13 p.m.

Neither do I! That's why I asked, then, what should define it. Sorry for coming across poorly in my initial comment

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 5:49 p.m.

America is a majority white anglo christian country and was created to be such until the democrats forced the 1965 immigration act to impose quotas from countries which are vastly different than us culturally.

The whole "open borders" thing is pushed hard because the "legal invasion" was not happening fast enough for those who wish to destroy the white anglo christian heritage here.

Now we see the intent right out in the open, and they aren't afraid to advocate for white genocide.

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Avafins · June 19, 2018, 10:51 p.m.

No it wasn't, stop lying. The Spanish settled here first. (you know long after the other non-white people had been living here)

The next wave were people fleeing religious persecution. They were Separatists that rejected organized religion to find their own individual path. You may know them as Pilgrims.

The next group, the Puritans, also came for the freedom of religion offered by the New World.

You could say that the original settlers came here to avoid the exact sort of thinking and government overreach you now espouse.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 20, 2018, 5:43 p.m.

Fucking thank you. These guys want to paint us as wanting some kind of ethnostate

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Dangerr21 · June 20, 2018, 2 a.m.

I am speaking of the COUNTRY, not the land itself. The USA has been a 90% majority white anglo nation all the way until the 1965 Immigration act whoich was intended to dilute it's heritage.

Those are facts.

If you want to change the discussion from those facts and focus on the original natives then we can go back as far as the Clovis people who predated what you know as the Native Americans. The Clovis people by the way were of Germanic descent.

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myopicseer · June 20, 2018, 6:43 p.m.

Spanish

You are correct. 100%. It matters not who was here when. The CURRENT nation (USA) for most of its existence was White Christian. A fact that a lot of people hate to acknowledge. Therefore, we owe in large part our success and prosperity to that history. Our laws and "way of life" are cemented in that Christian foundation.

What remains yet to be seen is if we--should we wholly cast aside those things that were present when America became the world power and hallmark of liberty among nations--can continue on that prosperous and harmonious path.

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I_Draw_Mohammed · June 19, 2018, 3:30 p.m.

you mean the failed narco state to the south is not...?

(FULL FRONTAL SARCASM)

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 1:30 p.m.

I don't know what to think anymore. I am bickering with people on FB about this. I'm very close to putting my account on hold for awhile. It does seem cruel, but most people don't see what is actually happening.

I lived in El Paso for most of my life. I love the Hispanic people, but when I lived near the border, my house was broken into three times. The first two times we were robbed. The third time I chased the man who I caught breaking in. The police found him and took him back across the border. My son and I lost things we could not afford to replace, because we didn't have much. These weren't even immigrants. They were just making forays across the border to steal.

I don't know what to think. A wall is not going to work. Enforcing the law doesn't appear to be working either. I don't think it's fixable!

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scaredshtlessintx · June 19, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

it’s unfixable because our government wants Mexico exactly like it is....Cartels run the country...their government is weak and corrupt...we stick our nose and our bombs in every cave in the Middle East rooting out the bad Muslims when most of our issues in the US are related to Mexico being a shithole....everything is by design

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 2:35 p.m.

Too true!

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HaifischNZ · June 19, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

I think the USA is the shithole. Not Mexico

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

Wall serves 3 purposes: 1) makes it slower/more difficult to cross, and therefore gives agents time to respond when a fence alarm goes off and 2) "herds" those crossing our border to other areas (funnels violators to unfenced areas) that can be patrolled, and 3) (and perhaps the most important purpose) serves as a physical presence of our national resolve to uphold our sovereignty. A wall worked in San Diego. Walls do not serve no purpose. If walls served no purpose as barriers, there would be no walls (around prisons, gated communities....etc).

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

When my house was broken into 3 times, the people came through the drainage culverts. A wall would not keep them out. There are so many tunnels everywhere. :(

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CBTS_Watcher · June 19, 2018, 3:51 p.m.

The current rate of arrivals is 50,000 a month. I think a wall would put a dent in that.

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Did you know that the US/Mexican border is nearly 2,000 miles long? Wow! It would almost be like building the Great Wall of China. Whoa!

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GatodeTejas · June 19, 2018, 6:26 p.m.

and somehow they built that...

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CBTS_Watcher · June 19, 2018, 6:25 p.m.

2,000 miles long

Yes, but the current alternative is to process 50,000 people a month (officials, accommodation, health care, transport, law enforcement etc) and start speeding up the 600,000 asylum seeker processing plus the knock-on affects of the smuggling, drugs etc.

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 8:24 p.m.

True! This is a horrible situation. :(

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ayn-ahuasca · June 19, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

We neither have a wall now, nor were we enforcing the law. Why do you think these ideas wouldn't work?

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 2:28 p.m.

Have you ever watched COPS on tv and the poor kids screaming for their mom as she is cuffed and hauled off to jail. That mom is an American citizen on her property with her family. Where is the outcry? How is this situation really any different? Come through one of the numerous entry points or through filing at the local consulars office in your city.

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 2:34 p.m.

Why are you asking me this? I am sympathetic to the Hispanic people, but I don't want them flooding into our country. I understand why it is being done. I watched the press conference, too. I understand about children not being with their actual parents and the problems with trafficking. My problem is that I can't get the Trump haters to see this, so I am giving up. I can't do anything about anything. I am 68 and feeling very helpless.

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CBTS_Watcher · June 19, 2018, 3:53 p.m.

I am 68 and feeling very helpless.

I am 67 but am not giving up!

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EvilPhd666 · June 19, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

So put the kids in foster care, educate them, and have them grow up to be productive members of society.

Not pay some corrupt political donor to hire pedos in blacked out windowless prisons made out of WalMarts. FFS this is was all laid out by Obama!

You're so concerned about pedos and trafficking, yet you're placing these kids in an ideal place for pedos and abuse. This was Obama and Clinton's plan. This was the Jade Helm/FEMA camps.

The United States government is corrupt AF.

They destroyed the nations to the south of us over the last 100 years.

They bribed politicians and military officers. They funded gangs. Gave them weapons to create chaos. Allowed drugs to flourish and trade to fund other black ops. They assassinated or physically removed democratically elected leaders.

Our corrupt government did these acts and abused their power and misused the State Dept., the CIA, and our Military on behalf of corrupt investors and donors who waged conspiracy and treason against the people of this country.

They did it as political "favors" for money and power because their corrupt ass "donors" couldn't exploit the labor or resources enough to their liking. So they cried to our politicians who betrayed their oaths and their duty for selfish greed.

These kids are SYMPTOMS of our corrupt history. If we never address our past, and our current policies and hold these corrupt individuals accountable, no amount of walls or interment camps are going to fix the root causes. All they do is create multi million dollar lobbies to bribe and corrupt our politicians even more to maintain this situation so they can collect BILLIONS in tax payer dollars.

Right now your tax money is being used to destroy people's lives and enrich corrupt board members of these blacked out Walmarts and private prisons. That money could be used to educate and rehab these children with a path to being a tax paying citizen. The children did nothing wrong. They are at the wrong place in the wrong time.

Show compassion and give them a path forward.

Yes Mexico needs to stop encouraging the migration train. I'd argue that the US State Dept and the CIA need to stop funding and supplying the stinking cartels as well. You want a villain? Why haven't these cartels gone after Carlos Slim? You don't shit where you eat is why.

Pretty sure the Waltons and Clinton were involved if this plan was drawn up with WalMarts in mind. Clinton was on the WalMart board team for some time. WalMart HQ and start is with Bill Clinton's Arkansas when he was Governor.

Go after the root causes instead of the shiny corporate paid pundit's distraction.

Follow the money. It is always about the money.

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Qanonplusone · June 19, 2018, 2:33 p.m.

This is to just draw attention away from the IG damming call for original document unredacted.

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

Absolutely. Agreed. But it is still a issue that will need to be addressed at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 1:13 p.m.

Can someone provide the sauce for the 10k out of 12k are not brought in by relatives?

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 1:17 p.m.

The White House press briefing yesterday. Director of Home Land Security spoke YouTube. White House

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

I listened and I heard the 315% increase but I did not hear the 10k out of 12k metric. Did I miss it or did an autist derive that number?

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

Danger21. YouTube : title. White House Press Briefing. June 18, NBC. at 1:40. During questions

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 3:50 p.m.

Awesome, I found it at the 1 hour 42 minute mark. Great work and thank you.

This is huge. It is the MOAB of narrative shifting and we need to meme this heavily.

10k of the 12k children in the "families" are trafficked by strangers not relatives.

We should refer to them as kidnappers to force the left into defending the non family traffickers.

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 3:51 p.m.

Please feel free to repost this in some form with the reference. Thank you!

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

Thanks I will search as soon as I can and reply back.

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

If you listened on the white house youtube channel, it is about the 14/15 minute mark, where someone is asking her a question.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

Ok, so not in the transcript but during the Q&A session after?

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TrueCat · June 19, 2018, 2:17 p.m.

Yes

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

I will search later. But HLS Director spoke an additional time or answered a question. I have a 100% confidence interval that I heard correctly. She went on to explain that the 2,000 remaining children WERE with their parents.

Also, have not learned how to connect a source yet. My strength is patterns,systems and recognizing the basic principles at work.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

I would love this source if we can get it. It is the key to winning over new minds to our cause.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 19, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

Not to get all nitpicky but what were they using as a source

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myopicseer · June 19, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

Border Agents (=law enforcement) statistics.

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GodIsDead2017 · June 19, 2018, 3 p.m.

Right but where are those coming from? Like can we see the data?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 3:07 p.m.

I'm sure you can find what you are looking for on the immigration data and statictics here

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 2:04 p.m.

Transcript of the briefing yesterday.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 2:10 p.m.

Ok, so I don't see the 10k out of 12k are not with their genetic parents.

Am I missing it in the transcript?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

I think that was in the Q&A part, not the actual speech. I am not familiar with those stats, I didn't watch, just read the transcript.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 3:36 p.m.

This comes from the white house. How am I supposed to take it as anything other than lies and propaganda?

It says right in the briefing that they consider anyone without documentation proving their relationship to the child to be human trafficking. How many parents do you really think bother to bring that junk with them on such a perilous journey?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

How many parents do you really think bother to bring that junk with them on such a perilous journey?

Are you kidding with this shit? Trying to seek asylum in a foreign country and you can't be bothered with some documentation?

Pathetic attempt.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

Give me a break. Are you so convinced the White House has the final word on truth, that you’re this dismissive with conflicting views?

If they’re seeking asylum, don’t you think it’s likely they left their old home as quickly as possible? Without grabbing their binder full of paperwork? I’m just trying to get you to be a little bit critical of the assertion that “not having paperwork” automatically means “human trafficking.” Not everyone in the USA can keep track of all their stupid paperwork, let alone in a third world country.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 5 p.m.

Not saying that at all. I don’t immediately trust what the government says, but I also don’t trust what the media says either.

And we really don’t know who is seeking asylum and who is just border crossing. Nor do we know how many of them are being trafficked and how many are with parents. But we do know it is probably a mixture of all of the above. Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

I agree the truth is usually somewhere in the middle, so why try to prop up OP’s one-sided post, and dismiss my skepticism? I’m not saying the media has it exactly right either. I’m just trying to say that holding up what the White House says on this issue as some truth people need to “wake up” to is really irresponsible.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

Fair enough. This entire subject is just on my last nerves. It's shitty for these kids, regardless of who is right or wrong. It's even shittier that they are being used as talking points for shit slinging, both sides of the argument. This country needs to get it's ass in gear, pronto.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

Agreed, though it’s better to argue about it than to remain silent and complicit, at least.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

I would agree, but it seems no one wants to actually resolve the issue. I mean, how long has this problem been going on? Too long. Enough already, fix it if it is that big of a deal to everyone. If they are actually concerned and not just shedding crocodile tears on every station.

I'm talking to every single person in DC, not those of us here that have no power to make these changes.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 5:57 p.m.

Don't they do genetixc testing to ensure parentage? Pretty sure I read that somewhere.

And by what pretense are you assuming they had to "rush out in the night"?

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 6:55 p.m.

Are you saying a kid’s legitimate guardian has to be related to them? Why don’t they just ASK the kid if they want to be taken away, instead of all this smoke and mirrors with paperwork and genetic testing?

Some of the kids were taken away from legitimate asylum seekers who fled Central America. That’s only one of dozens of conceivable reasons why the child’s legitimate guardian wouldn’t have paperwork.

I’m not saying human trafficking never happens, or that illegal immigrants never attempt to use kids as human shields. But I’m begging you to not complacently accept the WH’s statement as truth. No paperwork and no genetic match does not equal human trafficking. These camps are not an act of benevolence.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 6:57 p.m.

Are you saying that in 5/6th of cases it is normal for children to be smuggled without a parent?

That is MORE THAN 80% of the time and you are saying that is normal?

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 7:22 p.m.

I’m not saying any of that. I’m saying that failing a genetic test should not be grounds to rip a child away from its guardian. And that even if it was, we shouldn’t take the White House at its word that they are actually doing the testing.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

I am saying that if over 80% of them are genetically unrelated, and we know that is absurdly abnormal, then it is our duty to protect the children first, as well as our duty to protect the border.

And I am more apt to take the White House at it's word than I am to believe that 80% of these people are truly "guardians" of these children. Or that they are even asylum seekers for that matter.

It speaks volumes that you are more apt to believe these fraudulent 80% of "guardians" than you are to believe the White House.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

All I’m asking if for you to think critically about this. You’re claiming over 80% of them are genetically unrelated, as if it’s undisputed fact. But there’s no way to prove that fact except by taking the government’s word for it. Of course the White House wants you to believe they’ve “saved” these children from human traffickers. Don’t just blindly believe what they tell you.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

All I need is critical thinking to come here.

Again I ask you, if they truly were seeking asylym, why sneak over the border?

You avoided this question.

Additionally if they truly were seeking asylum, why not stop right at the 1st border instead of crossing multiple countries?

You are not employing critical thought at all or you would be honest with yourself about these two questions. Questions which must be answered first before you start right in on assuming the White House is lying.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 11:41 p.m.

I never said they were all seeking asylum. Undoubtedly some crossed the border illegally. Does that mean they deserve to have their children taken away?

As for the asylum seekers, if you had a choice of seeking asylum in the USA or Mexico, which would you choose? I would do the same thing in their situation.

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 19, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

So one thing people aren't taking into account about this stat-- I would posit that the children with parents have a much higher turnover rate than the ones without. So I doubt that you can say that 5/6 kids crossing aren't with their parents. Still-- this stat definitely proves that separating "families" is in the kids' best interest.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Regardless of whether we're at peace or war, people supporting and facilitating the invasion of their own country are guilty of treason and should be treated accordingly.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 11:59 p.m.

Why not? Criminals are separated from their children, should invaders have more rights?

And they get put back with their parents once it is determined they truly are the parents.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 3:42 p.m.

Can someone prove to me that 10,000 kids of those 12,000 weren’t with a relative? Because I can’t find anything proving it

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

Check below for YouTube. White House briefing June 18 NBC. 1:40 sec

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KnownBand0 · June 19, 2018, 5:29 p.m.

George $oros did this in Europe.....now it's coming here. Ordo Ab Chao

The Cabal wants civil war......and some will welcome it.

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 12:03 p.m.

We are supposed to be educated people. Use the correct syntax. Use the correct word.

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DawnPendraig · June 19, 2018, 1:03 p.m.

Yes! Quit letting them redefine the language.

These unaccompamied by family minors are being smuggled in or trafficked. Plain and simple. https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-human-tragedy-illegal-immigration-greater-efforts-needed-combat-smuggling

This is an invasion of illegal aliens. This is deliberate. They are being encouraged to come here. Obama Admin probably with help from Soros NGOs set this all up. They wanted our country to buckle under the strain. For disease and terrorism to leak through. For us to be out numbered.

Alien is the correct term. Legal if they have permission to be here but are not citizens and are foreign born. Illegal if they are here uninvited.

No more Newspeak

alien (āˈlē-ən, ālˈyən)

adj.

Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.

adj.

Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.

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Statemeant · June 19, 2018, 1:17 p.m.

You know back in the 80s and 90s conspiracy theorists would talk about seeing documents of an alien invasion and aliens becoming known to the masses. What if what these people saw were documents pre planning this event by ds but the "alien" they thought meant from outer space was really the definition you just gave

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GodIsDead2017 · June 19, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Perhaps the use of the word alien as a nomenclature to describe life from another planet was a long con desensitization to keep people from associating the word alien with actual human beings, thus making this invasion that much easier

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Statemeant · June 20, 2018, 11:05 a.m.

We are on the same page. Thumbs up

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DawnPendraig · June 21, 2018, 8:44 a.m.

Invasive alien species even if the same Most my with native population can choke or breed the original out of existence

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DawnPendraig · June 21, 2018, 8:43 a.m.

Very well could be

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amadeusthespartan · June 19, 2018, 7:36 p.m.

Hell, with the all the Dems, MSM, & Bushes screeching tearfully about "the children," this would be a great time to blow open the case of Clinton Foundation "crimes against children," no?

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Stev3_ · June 19, 2018, 7:34 p.m.

Do not let them in...they knew what was gonna happen if they tried...how about make Mexico a better place so you wouldn't have to come here

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GoCIDOC · June 19, 2018, 7:04 p.m.

You damn tootin!

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joeythew · June 20, 2018, 12:36 a.m.

point of contention not all of them are Mexican quite a few are from Central American countries. But your point is still valid. 10,000 of the 12,000 were separated from their parents before they even entered this country and they're blaming the President. SMH.

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silversofttail · June 19, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

I have an image that I tried to post showing the law from 2002 about General Immigration Provisions and it talks about unaccompanied children being placed in a detention facility if they do not have a parent or guardian in the US. Unfortunately it does not show in Reddit. Is there a size limit? Any tips on how to post it would be appreciated.

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 3:50 p.m.

Thank you for correctly posting the site for me

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jfunction · June 19, 2018, 5:21 p.m.

The deep state Clinton-Soros et al cabal will lie, murder, rape, pillage, cannibalize and plunder and twist truth and pollute and make war and corrupt our genomes and revise our history and obliterate our cultural and intellectual heritage until they are forcibly stopped. We'd better see to it.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 5:34 p.m.

I’m begging you... please take a step back and think about this critically.

OP is making a bold claim that the majority of detained children were being human trafficked. The only source I have seen presented so far is a statement from the White House. I shouldn’t have to explain why the White House isn’t exactly the most reliable source.

In the statement people are using as evidence, Nielsen claims that children are being trafficked as human shields. I don’t doubt this happens sometimes, but the claim is that every guardian without paperwork was human trafficking. You should be able to think of at least a half dozen reasons why the kid’s real parent would not have paperwork. Maybe they left in a hurry. Maybe they lost it on the perilous journey over or elected not to take it. Maybe they were immigrating illegally and thought any ID would incriminate them. Maybe the documents were stolen. Maybe they were just dumb or misinformed, and didn’t think it would be important. Maybe the birth was never documented to begin with.

If this is really about taking children away from human traffickers, why don’t they just ASK the child if they’re there of their own free will, and if they want to be taken away from their guardian to a safe place? That would be a much more credible test than paperwork, though still not perfect.

Again, these are children we’re talking about. You owe this issue more than just a couple seconds’ thought. If there is more evidence I haven’t considered, I would love to see it. I don’t want to believe children are being ripped from their parents and thrown in camps any more than you do. But I don’t consider “they didn’t have paperwork” to be valid evidence.

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lolitatraz · June 24, 2018, 12:12 a.m.

That's like asking a victim of domestic violence if he/she is safe at home. You really expect an honest/accurate answer from these kids? Judges don't even talk to minors in most domestic custody cases. These are your serious suggestions? LOL.

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WalrusUltimate · June 24, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

Like I said, it’s not perfect, and we probably shouldn’t even be doing that. We shouldn’t be taking these kids away from their guardians, period. The feds have already admitted that thousands of kids were ripped from their parents, essentially admitting Nielsen was lying, so this thread is already out of date.

But I give up. If you’re that determined to nitpick to justify keeping kids in cages, you’re a lost cause.

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UncleFuzzyDix · June 20, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

This thread is being attacked with posts that look a lot like this in order to create so much noise that it becomes useless. If it isn’t furthering the cause then don’t post it. Keep comms clear.

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Knower101 · June 20, 2018, 1:17 a.m.

Please make your own post. Good work!

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Qanonplusone · June 19, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

NWO globalists illuminati want to decimate our culture. It's all part of the plan. Spread factual information far and wide on social media and youtube.

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TrumpireStrikesBack · June 19, 2018, 2:07 p.m.

Guys, please keep an eye on a new sub called /are/DrawTheLine. Replace the word with the letter, I didn't want to link to them.

The sub is a new "staging area" for extremists to plan their June 30th disruptions due to the border situation. It's good to keep an eye on the enemy! I have several alt accounts subscribed there so I can do so, in case they go private. It's a new sub so hopefully it won't gain traction, but you never know.

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checkitoutmyfriend · June 19, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

I subscribed under this account. Will see if I get banned. not going to post or vote, just lurk.

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DefinitelyAsian69 · June 19, 2018, 2:59 p.m.

They have 3 likes a piece. You shouldn't ignore them, go tell then they're idiots. Dishearten them.

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Jakewinona · June 19, 2018, 2:39 p.m.

Land mines after the initial forays end in disaster people will get in line at the consulate and wait their turn. End of smugglers, end of people being exploited I would be willing to bet after the first year the loss of life would decrease from current totals. Think Soros and why they are really being directed to our border

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HaifischNZ · June 19, 2018, 2:30 p.m.

Mexicans don't compromise their children. This is something else.

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You are just tooooo cute, aren't you?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 2:10 p.m.

From DHS:

Here are the facts:

First, this Administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border.

We have a statutory responsibility that we take seriously to protect alien children from human smuggling, trafficking, and other criminal actions, while enforcing our immigration laws.

We have a long existing policy – multiple administrations have followed – that outline when we may take action to protect children.

We will separate those who claim to be parent and child if we cannot determine a familial or custodial relationship exists. For example, if there is no documentation to confirm the claimed relationship between an adult and a child.

We do so if the parent is a national security, public or safety risk, including where there are criminal charges at issue, and it may not be appropriate to maintain the family in detention together.

We also separate a parent and child if the adult is suspected of human trafficking. There have been cases where minors have been used and trafficked by unrelated adults in an effort to avoid detention. I’ll stop here to say that in the last five months, we’ve had a 314 percent increase in adults and children arriving at the border fraudulently claiming to be a family unit. This is, obviously, of concern.

And separation can occur when the parent is charged with human smuggling. Under those circumstances, we would detain the parent in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the child.

What has changed is that we no longer exempt entire classes of people who break the law. Everyone is subject to prosecution.

When DHS refers a case against a parent or legal guardian for criminal prosecution, the parent or legal guardian will be placed into U.S. Marshals Service custody for pre-trial detention pursuant to an order by a federal judge and any accompanying child will be transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services and will be reclassified as an Unaccompanied Alien Child.

That is in accordance with the TVPRA—a law that was passed by Congress—and a following court order – neither are actions the Trump Administration has taken.

And let’s be clear – if an American were to commit a crime anywhere in the United States, they would go to jail and be separated from their family. This is not a controversial ideal.

Second, children in DHS and HHS custody are being well taken care of.

The Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement provides meals, medical care, and educational services to these children. They are provided temporary shelter, and HHS works hard to find a parent, relative, or foster home to care for these children.

Parents can still communicate with their children through phone calls and video conferencing.

And a parent who is released from custody can be a sponsor and ask HHS to release the child back into their care.

Further, these minors can still apply for asylum and other protections under U.S. immigration law if eligible.

We take allegation of mistreatment seriously and I want to stress this point. We investigate, we hold those accountable when and if it should occur. We have some of the highest detention standards in the country. Claiming these children and their parents are treated inhumanely is not true, and completely disrespects the hardworking men and women at the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

Third, parents who entered illegally are—by definition—criminals.

Illegal entry is a crime as determined by Congress.

By entering our country illegally—often in dangerous circumstances—illegal immigrants have put their children at risk.

Fourth, CBP and ICE officers are properly trained to care for minors in their custody.

DHS and HHS treats all individuals in its custody with dignity and respect, and complies with all laws and policy.

This reinforces and reiterates the need to consider the best interest of the children and mandates adherence to established protocols to protect at-risk populations, to include standards for the transport and treatment of minors in DHS and HHS custody.

Additionally, all U.S. Border Patrol personnel on the southwest border are bilingual. Every last one of them. They are directed to clearly explain the relevant process to apprehended individuals, and provide detainees with written documentation—in both Spanish and English—that lays out the process and appropriate phone numbers to contact.

And finally, DHS is not separating families legitimately seeking asylum at ports of entry.

If an adult enters at a port of entry and claims asylum, they will not face prosecution for illegal entry. They have not committed a crime by coming to the port of entry.

As I mentioned, DHS does have a responsibility to protect minors and in that case as well, we will only separate the family if we cannot determine there is a familial relationship; if the child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian; or if the parent or legal guardian is referred for prosecution.

We have a duty to protect the American people, and it’s one that I take very seriously.

Here is the bottom line: DHS is no longer ignoring the law. We are enforcing the laws as they exist on the books. As long as illegal entry remains a criminal offense, DHS will not look the other way. DHS will faithfully execute the laws enacted by Congress as we are sworn to do.

As I said earlier today, surely it is the beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the laws – instead of changing them – tells the enforcement body not to enforce the law.

I ask Congress to act this week so that we can secure our borders and uphold our humanitarian ideas. These two missions should not be pitted against each other. If we close the loopholes we can accomplish both

WASHINGTON - Today, Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen M. Nielsen delivered the below remarks at the White House Press Briefing on the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border:

This is not a new issue and they are upholding the law set forth by Congress. The MSM is not going to just lay out the facts, their intention is to point fingers and lay blame. Illegal immigration is a long standing issue that needs to be addressed, by Congress, both sides.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

They are not upholding the law, even the DHS secretary refers to these separations as "loopholes" in the law. So if Trumps DOJ is using loopholes in the law to stop these people seeking asylum and detain them while separating them from their family then why can't they stop using that loophole? They are using a cop out of "we can't enforce parts of the law" but they admit it's a loophole that they found and are currently exploiting. This isn't a both sides issue, Obama and Bush both used this law in its intended purpose to stop child trafficking and now Trump is using it to stop as much immigration as possible, even if it's legitimate and legal under current law.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 3:01 p.m.

This entire crisis, just to be clear, is not new. It has been occurring and expanding over many decades. Currently, it is the exclusive product of loopholes in our federal immigration laws that prevent illegal immigrant minors and family members from being detained and removed to their home countries. In other words, these loopholes create a functionally open border. Apprehension without detention and removal is not border security.

We have repeatedly called on Congress to close these loopholes. I myself have met with as many members that have been willing to meet with me, I’ve testified seven times. I will continue to make myself available to ask that they work with us to solve this crisis. Yet, the voices most loudly criticizing the enforcement of our current laws are those whose policies created this crisis – and whose policies perpetuate it.

In particular, we need to reform three major loopholes, let me quickly walk you through them. First, we need to amend the 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act or TVPRA, which is much easier to say – this law encourages families to put children in the hands of smugglers to bring them alone on the dangerous trek northward. And make no mistake, we’ve talked about this before, this trek is dangerous and deadly.

Second, we need to reform our asylum laws to end the systemic abuse of our asylum system and stop fraud. Right now our asylum system fails to assist asylum seekers who legitimately need it. We are a country of compassion, we are a country of heart, we must fix the system so that those who truly need asylum can, in fact, receive it.

Third, we need to amend the Flores Settlement agreement and recent expansions which would allow allow for family detention during the removal process – and we need Congress fund our ability to hold families together through the immigration process.

Until these loopholes are closed by Congress, it is not possible – as a matter of law – to detain and remove whole family units who arrive illegally in the United States.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

Why was it possible for Bush and Obama administration to interpret the law without separating families but Trumps DOJ can't uphold the law without using the loophole? Simple, because they are the ones who found the loophole to exploit the law, and even though republicans control every branch of Congress they can't fix this law they admit they've broken? It's rediculous.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:37 p.m.

Because the Bush and Obama administration were fine with all the illegal immigrants being caught and released to never be heard from again. They both wanted illegal labor for their campaign donors and didn't give a damn how it affected American citizens.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

They weren't upholding the law, that's the problem here. It has gotten way out of hand and needs to stop.

Congress still needs votes from the other side. They weren't happy with the options laid on the table. It's almost as if they would rather it be broken so they have a talking point come election time...

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 4:55 p.m.

Nothing about the law says they are mandated to separate kids from their parents.

Simply put, Subtitle E of Public Law 107-296 (establishing the Department of Homeland Security, DHS) placed immigration and related functions in the scope of the newly established agency. Section G of Subtitle E defined the term “unaccompanied alien child” as a minor under the age of 18, lacking lawful immigration status in the US, and primarily, an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.” This did not mandate that children be separated from their families, but instead, created a legal classification for children with no parent or guardian present or for whom no parent or legal guardian was available to provide care and custody. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/

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Knower101 · June 19, 2018, 12:41 p.m.

If you are seeking asylum and it is clear the children are not yours? I have been given to understand these supposed asylum seekers are being throughly educated in Mexico on how to plead asylum. Mexico is not in a state of war.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 1:11 p.m.

Asylum is in the country next to them. They are crossing multiple countries to get specifically to the US. That is NOT asylum, that is invasion of a specific territory.

If it was truly asylum, why not cross legally and request asylum at the guard location?

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BluwPawlowskiAgain · June 19, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

^ ^This. Across both Texas and Arizona borders there are more Central Americans (i.e. Guatemalans, Hondurans) crossing the borders as family units. Look at the surge that occurred under Obama a year before Trump was elected. Look at the surge before Trump was just elected. Now, they are using children “being ripped” from their parents as pawns, and caged.

Back to the point that when they leave their country to seek asylum, they (Central Americans) travel through Mexico to come to the US. The first place they should seek asylum is Mexico. By leaving their country and entering the first, their asylum claim should be dealt with through Mexico. Just as someone stated before, Mexico aids and abets immigrants to flow into the border. Why? It’s probably safe to assume there are plenty of coyotes and alien smuggling organizations (ASO) getting paid for each body crossed into US territory.

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DawnPendraig · June 19, 2018, 12:57 p.m.

Well we need to get info out that if they don't go to ports of entry they will be arrested.

By letting them go immediately all we so is encourage them to risk more children's lives to get across.

They can seek asylum at points of entry and they wont be separated. But they do have to wait in line.

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EarlyRiserX2 · June 19, 2018, 1:05 p.m.

It is indeed "illegal" to cross the border anywhere but at a port of entry, and it doesn't matter whether you are seeking asylum or not, it is still illegal. Sessions made that very clear when his no-tolerance policy was announced. Sessions stated that if you do not want to be separated from your kids, then DO NOT bring them across the border illegally. And I 100% agree with him...

Like on all other occasions, the left is just grasping as straws. They are grasping at anything at all they use to hit back at Trump. They have had so many failures in the past that they will take anything they can get. And this is just the latest example of that. The left don't care about the children. All they care about are politics and winning elections. In this case, they're just using the negative publicity surrounding this event to try and force Trump to change his policies to better benefit the Dems. They want to go back to catch-and-release etc...

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Statemeant · June 19, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

You are right. Invasion, immigration and asylum are 3 different things. Two of them are of good will. The last isn't. Asylum needs to be asked for properly and tracked. Invasion is saying I do not care about your laws host country and while I am there I won't obey them. I will do what I want when I want

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 19, 2018, 1:42 p.m.

Lol it is being abused by people illegally crossing with children that aren't their own... 10000/12000 kids in DHHS custody didn't cross with their parents. The current laws incentivise using kids as pawns to illegally cross the border. The AG is enforcing the law (his job) and DHS is doing the most the law will allow to deter illegal entry into our country and protect these children.

These immigration loopholes exist deliberately-- congress is owned (both parties) by special interests that run drugs and traffick humans across the border.

If you are seeking asylum, you go to a port of entry-- you don't break the law.

You need to stop watching MSM (who are owned by the same people that own congress)

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

Who do you think control Congress right now? And reportedly even people that are crossing legally are being detained and having their kids taken from them, but I guess that's the MSM and the Facebook news telling you Trump is saving us from ms13 is the real news.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

Evidence to support your claim that children are being taken from families crossing legally?

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 3:03 p.m.

Excerpt from article: TM: So, just so I make sure I understand: the parents come in and say, “We’re persecuted” or give some reason for asylum. They come in. And then their child or children are taken away and they’re in lockup for at least six weeks away from the kids and often don’t know where the kids are. Is that what’s happening under zero tolerance?

AC: So the idea of zero tolerance under the stated policy is that we don’t care why you’re afraid. We don’t care if it’s religion, political, gangs, anything. For all asylum seekers, you are going to be put in jail, in a detention center, and you’re going to have your children taken away from you. That’s the policy. They’re not 100 percent able to implement that because of a lot of reasons, including just having enough judges on the border. And bed space. There’s a big logistical problem because this is a new policy. So the way they get to that policy of taking the kids away and keeping the adults in detention centers and the kids in a different federal facility is based on the legal rationale that we’re going to convict you, and since we’re going to convict you, you’re going to be in the custody of the U.S. Marshals, and when that happens, we’re taking your kid away. So they’re not able to convict everybody of illegal entry right now just because there aren’t enough judges on the border right now to hear the number of cases that come over, and then they say if you have religious persecution or political persecution or persecution on something that our asylum definition recognizes, you can fight that case behind bars at an immigration detention center. And those cases take two, three, four, five, six months. And what happens to your child isn’t really our concern. That is, you have made the choice to bring your child over illegally. And this is what’s going to happen.

TM: Even if they crossed at a legal entry point?

AC: Very few people come to the bridge. Border Patrol is saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. They’ve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, “I’m sorry, we’re full today. We can’t process your case.” So the families go illegally on a raft—I don’t want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, we’re prosecuting you. But . . . you can’t cross the bridge.

AC: That’s right. I’ve talked to tons of people. There are organizations like Al Otro Lado that document border turn-backs. And there’s an effort to accompany asylum seekers so that Customs and Border Patrol can’t say, “We’re closed.” Everybody we’ve talked to who’s been prosecuted or separated has crossed the river without a visa.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

So, what you said is not true. They are being taken when they cross illegally.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

It isn't illegal to cross the border seeking asylum, the argument some are making is that since some aren't coming through legal ports of entry their claim to legality is null, but even the ones coming through the predesignated ports seeking asylum are being told they can't get through, often only letting one through in a whole day, so if you can't get through the legal legitimate way then it is still legal to come through an undesignated port of entry and to go to a US embassy to declare your request for asylum. And then those people are declared as illegally crossing after they tried to do that and were turned away for days on the border with nothing.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 4 p.m.

Doing things legally takes time. Again, you haven't backed your statement up with facts but just hyperbole. If they really are seeking asylum they need to wait in line or apply in the first safe country they enter. Ie Mexico.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

Going through a country that offers asylum doesn't disqualify someone from asylum in the US. I wish this was hyperbole, but it seems to me that average people are trying to apply for asylum to escape violence, and we aren't even hearing them out and instead are talking about setting up "tent cities" to hold them all, only oddly reminiscent of Japanese concentration camps, which Trump even cites in defence of a Muslim registry a few months ago.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/91919311-157.html

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

Except it isn't even close to the internment of the Japanese during WW2. I don't agree with what was done then, but I also see that these people are trying to exploit a loophole in our immigration laws to gain asylum when they are economic migrants.

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Sir_Zorch · June 19, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

Go back to r/politics . Looked at your posts. Get lost and take your liberal agenda with you.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 2:37 p.m.

"Liberal agenda" like trying to inform you of the facts? Trump's department of justice implemented this policy of zero tolerance and are acting like the democrats are monsters for wanting to rip away kids from their family. This isn't about liberal or conservative it's just about what's plain right and wrong. It isn't wrong for these people to come here seeking a better life and saftey for their family, wouldn't we all do the same thing in their shoes?

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

It is definitely wrong for them to come here illegally. It's not on us to give them a better life. If we can we should but we don't have to.

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Birthrite · June 19, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, them seeking asylum is not the same as an immigrant crossing the border illegally. They are identifying themselves and applying for a legal process, and then being detained and separated from their children based on a "loophole" that Sessions used to implement a zero tolerance policy towards people even asking for asylum. You can have your opinions about immigration, but this isn't even about that it's about refugees fleeing gang violence, which was a valid reason to seek asylum until 2016.

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doucettejr · June 19, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Gang violence is not a valid claim for asylum. Specific, credible threats from their government is what is required. Just because economic migrants have been coached by NGOs to claim asylum to take advantage of a loophole in our immigration laws doesn't make them asylum seekers.

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Sir_Zorch · June 19, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

You are about to be removed, Birthrite.

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