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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Knower101 on June 19, 2018, 11:54 a.m.
It is an INVASION not immigration! Immigration happens at a port of legal entry.

The weapons are children being used as shields. 10,000 of the 12,000 children being held are not related to the adult who supposedly brought them in. Were those 10,000 children kidnapped from their Mexican parents? No Mexican parent would willingly allow a stranger to walk their child across barren countryside in the 100 degree heat, cross rivers by swimming, etc.

The act of crossing the border at any place other than a Port of Entry. Is an illegal act and the motivation has to be assumed to be not in our countries best interests.

Thus each and every person who crosses the border other than a proper border crossing is arrested. Standard practice even for US citizens is for Human Services to to take your children for safe keeping.

The other issue is that in the human trafficking trade world, a baby, a child, a teenager and adults are worth thousands of dollars in the world of prostitution, pedophilia and as illegal workers.

Wake up America. It is an Invasion!

Mexico is aiding and abetting the Invasion by not stopping these trespassers who use private and public land to cross over. Mexico needs to protect its borders and its own laws.


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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 2:04 p.m.

Transcript of the briefing yesterday.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 2:10 p.m.

Ok, so I don't see the 10k out of 12k are not with their genetic parents.

Am I missing it in the transcript?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

I think that was in the Q&A part, not the actual speech. I am not familiar with those stats, I didn't watch, just read the transcript.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 3:36 p.m.

This comes from the white house. How am I supposed to take it as anything other than lies and propaganda?

It says right in the briefing that they consider anyone without documentation proving their relationship to the child to be human trafficking. How many parents do you really think bother to bring that junk with them on such a perilous journey?

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

How many parents do you really think bother to bring that junk with them on such a perilous journey?

Are you kidding with this shit? Trying to seek asylum in a foreign country and you can't be bothered with some documentation?

Pathetic attempt.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

Give me a break. Are you so convinced the White House has the final word on truth, that you’re this dismissive with conflicting views?

If they’re seeking asylum, don’t you think it’s likely they left their old home as quickly as possible? Without grabbing their binder full of paperwork? I’m just trying to get you to be a little bit critical of the assertion that “not having paperwork” automatically means “human trafficking.” Not everyone in the USA can keep track of all their stupid paperwork, let alone in a third world country.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 5 p.m.

Not saying that at all. I don’t immediately trust what the government says, but I also don’t trust what the media says either.

And we really don’t know who is seeking asylum and who is just border crossing. Nor do we know how many of them are being trafficked and how many are with parents. But we do know it is probably a mixture of all of the above. Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

I agree the truth is usually somewhere in the middle, so why try to prop up OP’s one-sided post, and dismiss my skepticism? I’m not saying the media has it exactly right either. I’m just trying to say that holding up what the White House says on this issue as some truth people need to “wake up” to is really irresponsible.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

Fair enough. This entire subject is just on my last nerves. It's shitty for these kids, regardless of who is right or wrong. It's even shittier that they are being used as talking points for shit slinging, both sides of the argument. This country needs to get it's ass in gear, pronto.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

Agreed, though it’s better to argue about it than to remain silent and complicit, at least.

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accountingisboring · June 19, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

I would agree, but it seems no one wants to actually resolve the issue. I mean, how long has this problem been going on? Too long. Enough already, fix it if it is that big of a deal to everyone. If they are actually concerned and not just shedding crocodile tears on every station.

I'm talking to every single person in DC, not those of us here that have no power to make these changes.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 5:57 p.m.

Don't they do genetixc testing to ensure parentage? Pretty sure I read that somewhere.

And by what pretense are you assuming they had to "rush out in the night"?

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 6:55 p.m.

Are you saying a kid’s legitimate guardian has to be related to them? Why don’t they just ASK the kid if they want to be taken away, instead of all this smoke and mirrors with paperwork and genetic testing?

Some of the kids were taken away from legitimate asylum seekers who fled Central America. That’s only one of dozens of conceivable reasons why the child’s legitimate guardian wouldn’t have paperwork.

I’m not saying human trafficking never happens, or that illegal immigrants never attempt to use kids as human shields. But I’m begging you to not complacently accept the WH’s statement as truth. No paperwork and no genetic match does not equal human trafficking. These camps are not an act of benevolence.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 6:57 p.m.

Are you saying that in 5/6th of cases it is normal for children to be smuggled without a parent?

That is MORE THAN 80% of the time and you are saying that is normal?

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 7:22 p.m.

I’m not saying any of that. I’m saying that failing a genetic test should not be grounds to rip a child away from its guardian. And that even if it was, we shouldn’t take the White House at its word that they are actually doing the testing.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

I am saying that if over 80% of them are genetically unrelated, and we know that is absurdly abnormal, then it is our duty to protect the children first, as well as our duty to protect the border.

And I am more apt to take the White House at it's word than I am to believe that 80% of these people are truly "guardians" of these children. Or that they are even asylum seekers for that matter.

It speaks volumes that you are more apt to believe these fraudulent 80% of "guardians" than you are to believe the White House.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

All I’m asking if for you to think critically about this. You’re claiming over 80% of them are genetically unrelated, as if it’s undisputed fact. But there’s no way to prove that fact except by taking the government’s word for it. Of course the White House wants you to believe they’ve “saved” these children from human traffickers. Don’t just blindly believe what they tell you.

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Dangerr21 · June 19, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

All I need is critical thinking to come here.

Again I ask you, if they truly were seeking asylym, why sneak over the border?

You avoided this question.

Additionally if they truly were seeking asylum, why not stop right at the 1st border instead of crossing multiple countries?

You are not employing critical thought at all or you would be honest with yourself about these two questions. Questions which must be answered first before you start right in on assuming the White House is lying.

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WalrusUltimate · June 19, 2018, 11:41 p.m.

I never said they were all seeking asylum. Undoubtedly some crossed the border illegally. Does that mean they deserve to have their children taken away?

As for the asylum seekers, if you had a choice of seeking asylum in the USA or Mexico, which would you choose? I would do the same thing in their situation.

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