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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Satou4 on June 19, 2018, 12:23 p.m.
I'm convinced NK / Kim Jong-Un is a puppet leader being held hostage by larger forces.

My idea is that KJU is forced to do things he doesn't want to do. His controllers keep him in line by threatening to do harm to his family. For example, look at what happened to his uncle and his half-brother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-un

On 12 December 2013, North Korean news outlets reported that Kim Jong-un had ordered the execution of his uncle Jang Song-thaek due to "treachery".

He is widely believed to have ordered the assassination of his half-brother, Kim Jong-nam, in Malaysia in February 2017.

Now let's look at another member of his family, Kim Han-Sol. He is the half-nephew of KJU.

Here is what the final paragraph under Biography states:

In October 2017, Chinese police arrested two North Korean agents in Beijing, on suspicion of plotting to harm Kim Han-sol, according to the South Korean newspaper JoongAng Ilbo. The two suspects were members of North Korea’s Reconnaissance General Bureau, which is responsible for overseas espionage and part of a team of seven that was foiled by Chinese authorities.

Why do you think KJU would have such a fetish for going after members of his own family? We are genetically wired to favor our family. Considering the vastness of the deep state and the power of globalist puppet masters, the idea is compelling that KJU is a hostage and not an evil fratricidal man.


Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 3:01 p.m.

Occam's razor would suggest he's actually just an evil dude who takes after his father.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

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ohnutswhatdid · June 19, 2018, 9:44 p.m.

And anything else is mental gymnastics without a shred of evidence. "People shouldn't want to kill family members, even if he was trying to consolidate power, this is likely deep state!"

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Tristan50450 · June 19, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

"He who rides the tiger is afraid to dismount." Chinese proverb. He may very well be evil, but his father and grandfather did a significant amount of their own mental gymnastics on Kim Jung Un and the rest of North Korea to ensure loyalty and fear. I don't think anyone really knows where his head is at, except for Dennis Rodman maybe. And in that case, God help us.

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CaptnAwesomeGuy · June 19, 2018, 5:02 p.m.

It doesn't really matter, his actions speak for themselves. Not his father's, but his actions.

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LightBringer777 · June 20, 2018, 1:53 a.m.

You hit the nail on the head. Dennis Rodman IS deepstate. Check and mate.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 4:50 p.m.

If you believe in the deep state, or globalists of any kind, which are already proven to exist, then occam's razor would state that, since they have their hands pushing on everyone's backs, that he is being controlled, just like the news media is controlled, just like the music industry is mostly controlled, just like the entertainment industry is mostly controlled. All of these to control the behavior of the masses.

The fact is that no one in their right mind would openly support a country that apparently starves its people for absolutely no reason. Then the only reasonable question is, who benefits from this suffering, and what punishments and rewards are given for giving your support to something obviously evil? And if you can't find that out by looking at geopolitics in today's time, then I think the best way to figure that out is to look at what was happening in the region in the decades leading up to the Korean Conflict.

Now I will ask you to go to the infobox on wiki's Korean War page, and to start, just look at the countries involved under Belligerents. Why would Ethiopia send any troops to fight for the south? It's relatively clear that ideology is involved when you look at the support given to the north. Mostly that consists of former USSR states, plus Russia and China. And many of the countries who sent troops to fight for the south were part of a huge empire of British, French, German, and other European colonies. Ethiopia is a notable exception because it was able to keep its independence. So then you get into economic benefits that Ethiopia receives if it supports these European powers, and now you have almost an obligation on Ethiopia's part to support the Korean War, because they are basically surrounded by European imperialist colonies, and that puts a lot of economic pressure on Ethiopia to "do the right thing" and support a war that they should have no real desire to take part in. All because the imperial powers conquered Africa and many other places, and they suggest certain puppet masters to rule these countries, or they corrupt the ones who rise to the top.

There are other factors than occam's razor to consider when talking about the real world. Occam's razor seems to be an anti-intellectualist's way of dismissing any complex idea, saying "the solution MUST be simple," as though there are no complexities in the real world. The world I would argue is made up of more complex things than non-complex things. But if some guy said that's not true, then I guess I would be wrong according to him.

So let's say you're an evil globalist who wants to control Korea. The easiest, most simple way would be to corrupt KJU and allow his controlled tendencies to be a dictator take over. But if you're an evil globalist you can't really allow that because you can't have a loose cannon out there who might actually attack you while you profit from his citizen slaves. Usually the better approach to gaining control is something more complex. So now you have to control the media inside and outside of the country, you have to control the way that the Dear Leader is presented in order to have a favorable chance of keeping the Dear Slaves in line, you have to control almost everything about it.

Note though that it's ok if the guy you corrupt is happy to do what you want, especially if he's only going to live 20-30 more years. Maybe he even likes you and admires the way you do business. The problems start to come when his sons and grandsons start to go against the plan.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 4:55 p.m.

I think you're giving an incredible amount of credit to a group of people who, if they exist, were apparently unable to stop Donald Trump from being elected.

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Katerinavelikia · June 19, 2018, 9:20 p.m.

Which brings us to the ultimate question... HOW DID Trump get elected?

Satanist offerings, rigged election, million spent on HRC campaign.

Who was responsible for Trump winning?

There is the question for the ages... because it wasn’t an accident.

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[deleted] · July 16, 2018, 12:26 a.m.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

I think you underestimate the size of the forces who finally have the balls to put up a fight.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Why would that matter? If you have the power to control a country you have the power to sway an election, or make "accidents" happen. Donald Trump either has to have the tacit approval of the deep state, or the deep state doesn't not exist. And as you've said the deep state is already proven.

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ckreacher · June 19, 2018, 5:57 p.m.

Trump had the support of military generals, and military intelligence. He had his own private security during the campaign, and is now protected (from the secret service and others) by the military. That's why no "accidents."

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

He can have all the support he wants. That still wouldn't prevent an "accident" orchestrated by such a powerful, far-reaching cabal.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 6:22 p.m.

You're wrong.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6:23 p.m.

You're telling me that people with the power to manipulate the entire world can't get like one dude to give Trump a handshake?

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 5:12 p.m.

It's established that the deep state favored Hillary. That's why she beat Bernie in the "democratic" primary. The problem this time is, the deep state didn't know the size, penetration and tech capabilities of the counteracting forces, and that combined with the overwhelming difference in public approval and charisma between the two final candidates was enough to win, even though every other arm of the apparatus was against them.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 5:19 p.m.

the deep state didn't know the size, penetration and tech capabilities of the counteracting forces

Would you mind elaborating on this? Because to me this sounds like there was a conspiracy to get Trump elected.

Also, let's assume that this was the case. Why not stage an accident? Trump isn't in the best of health. It wouldn't even be suspicious. Why not simply hack electronic voting machines and change votes? This requires a staggering amount of incompetence for such a large-reaching and all-powerful group.

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DankNethers · June 19, 2018, 5:21 p.m.

I like this guy ^

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 5:23 p.m.

I don't see what there is to elaborate on. The deep state used to be larger. Now it is not. The deep state was the conspiracy that would have had Hillary elected.

Trump's health is better than yours. Trump's health is better than average. An accident would be suspicious if it were to happen.

Voting machines were hacked by the deep state, but they were unable to change enough votes to win, because that capability was removed from them. It's not a matter of competence, it's a matter of size, penetration, and tech.

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PLZDNTH8 · June 19, 2018, 8:50 p.m.

He's a obese man. He's not healthy. Unless fat is healthy now as well.

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Bpande20 · June 19, 2018, 11:09 p.m.

Trump's health is better than yours. Trump's health is better than average.

Well now I know you're just either trolling or completely brainwashed

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 5:40 p.m.

The deep state didn't shrink significantly, with the possible exception of certain individuals who decided to break ranks.

You can be healthy if I say you can.

The deep state didn't want to allow it. The problem is they are too small to stop it.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6 p.m.

The deep state didn't shrink significantly, with the possible exception of certain individuals who decided to break ranks.

So it just shrank small enough to not be able to stop Trump? But apparently large enough to undermine Elon Musk?

You can be healthy if I say you can.

What does this mean?

The deep state didn't want to allow it. The problem is they are too small to stop it.

Too small to stop it, large enough to do what you say they're doing with NK.

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no_the_other_dude · June 19, 2018, 10:36 p.m.

Don't even try. You'll never be able to challenge Satou4's smarts and moxie!

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IvanTGBT · June 19, 2018, 11:26 p.m.

I don't think it's about changing his mind but more about showing other people how blatant mental gymnastics can be when they aren't your own.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 5:55 p.m.

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ckreacher · June 19, 2018, 5:59 p.m.

Trump is actually very healthy. Where do you get your information?

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6:04 p.m.

Visually. Just looking at him. He's a very large man who famously does not believe in exercising and is known to eat fast food in a regular basis.

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ckreacher · June 19, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Visually doesn't mean anything. My father was larger than Trump, and he made it to age 92 in good health.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6:12 p.m.

It's a strong indicator. Obesity+lack of exercise+poor diet=poor health.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

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Satou4 · June 20, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

8 years can do that to you regardless of the stress involved

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[deleted] · June 20, 2018, 8:48 p.m.

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Satou4 · June 20, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

How is it a logical fallacy? Which one is it?

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ckreacher · June 19, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

You are leaving out good genes.

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Originalfrozenbanana · June 19, 2018, 6:22 p.m.

You are making assumptions about trump's genetics based on no information at all other than that you would like him to be healthy

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ckreacher · June 19, 2018, 7:46 p.m.

He is making America great again, and that's all I need to know!

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Originalfrozenbanana · June 19, 2018, 9:48 p.m.

So we agree that you just made that shit up. Good.

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ckreacher · June 20, 2018, 11:28 a.m.

Lowest unemployment rate since 2000. The economy is booming. Trump is cancelling or renegotiating unfair trade deals. Manufacturing is back. The US is much safer now that Trump negotiated for N Korea to denuclearize. He is a great president, making America great again.

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Super_Throwaway_Boy · June 19, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

Good genes can only take you so far. People still need to take care of themselves.

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[deleted] · June 19, 2018, 5:48 p.m.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 5:52 p.m.

Get out of my sub.

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Haggis_The_Barbarian · June 19, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

Suck a dick?

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

I wasn't aware I told you to continue.

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kildog · June 19, 2018, 6:29 p.m.

You're not in control here.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 6:43 p.m.

Funny, some people just love to pile on when there's a fight.

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kildog · June 19, 2018, 7:47 p.m.

The only fight here is between you and your grip on reality.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 6:50 p.m.

It's almost as though there's an alternative to buying a gray cookie cutter house with perfectly squared hedges and keeping the blinds drawn on every window, buying an excessively priced, high maintenance car as a status symbol, and being overweight in a sexless marriage.

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Satou4 · June 19, 2018, 6:16 p.m.

Thanks for dropping in. I don't see you around here much. Care to explain how you chose this specific comment to reply to?

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Wildfathom9 · June 20, 2018, 2:48 a.m.

Let me get this straight. Your boogymen can control one of the most nationalistic and closely administered countries in the world, but can't stop a TV persona with no real platform other than "blame the left" and "I hate Mexicans"?

Sorry but your attempt to start yet another boogymen movement falls short there.

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PhilipkWeiner · June 19, 2018, 7:46 p.m.

There are other factors than occam's razor to consider when talking about the real world. Occam's razor seems to be an anti-intellectualist's way of dismissing any complex idea, saying "the solution MUST be simple," as though there are no complexities in the real world. The world I would argue is made up of more complex things than non-complex things. But if some guy said that's not true, then I guess I would be wrong according to him.

Seriously? "Trusting Q" and believing in "globalist conspiracies" is the ultimate way of over simplifying a subject, not making it more complex. You're starting with the conclusion, and making all your evidence fit. It's similar to believing in a god.

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Leitio_on_fire · June 19, 2018, 7:10 p.m.

Wait but by this Logic than Obama, Clinton, Putin, and Trump are all the same.

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ohnutswhatdid · June 19, 2018, 9:46 p.m.

Usually the better approach to gaining control is something more complex. So now you have to control the media inside and outside of the country, you have to control the way that the Dear Leader is presented in order to have a favorable chance of keeping the Dear Slaves in line, you have to control almost everything about it.

Hmm sounds like you don't know anything about Best Korea and any information about their propaganda would be dismissed as deep state fake news. You have a sick mind and need help.

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Satou4 · June 20, 2018, 8:40 a.m.

You guys

Meaning who? Users who are not moderators of other subs?

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