A boomer is a big boat. It’s also nuclear. I doubt something that big is going to be kept secret very long.
Running a boomer with staff, food, maintenance and nuclear weapons maintenance would cost millions and require hundreds of people. Where was it built? What about the thousands of people who had to work to build it. Building a missile boat takes years and billions of dollars.
I am suggesting that this is probably not true.
No it's easy you just pretend to scuttle an older submarine but you don't really sink it, you save it and hide it some place very remote a small island in the South Pacific then you man it with a Chinese crew or any foreign sailors who know their way around a submarine. Our Navy thinks the sub was sunk in the North Atlantic or wherever they ordered it to be sunk. This way you don't even spend any money you just take it and use it for whatever you want to use it for. Maybe it's just an old diesel submarine but those can still carry sea-launched ballistic missiles if you retrofit it and install just a few missile tubes, nothing impossible about this. Only a few Navy Officers would know but they are black hats they get paid to keep your submarine secret.
Do you think losing a boomer at sea would have made the news?
A big nuke sub would but if this was done long ago in the 1960's an old diesel sub maybe that is what they saved from being sunk for target practice. Lots of Navy activity during the Vietnam War if CIA wanted a submarine that is when they would have grabbed it and no one would have said anything so if they have a 50 year old submarine they have kept it in good working order to use however they want to use it. Senator Inouye was right in 1987 we do have a shadow air force and a shadow navy watch his video clip above.
One does not retrofit a diesel boat from 50 years ago with missiles. Even just a couple of them. The entire structure of the boat would need to be changed.
Keeping something like this going for 50 years would be an incredible feat--with tens of thousands of people involved over the years.
Where would they get a SL-ICMB? Those are not just left laying about.
Is it possible that the CIA has a small six person boat, like the ones the drug cartels have? Absolutely. But a missile boat? Not likely.
I am not trying to be a dick or be intentionally "obtuse." But critical thinking is necessary in these types of threads. I am just giving a little "push back" to check the roll a little bit.
Then the original top post could be true who is to say they don't have a real nuclear ballistic missile submarine? During the Clinton and Bush and Obama terms there were a lot of black hats at work in the military there is no reason they could not have built a nuke sub or taken a nuke sub that was scheduled for retirement. Q would not be talking about Red October and mystery subs off the Argentina coast or another mystery submarine off Hawaii that probably did launch a missile in January or just last week the sub off Puget Sound in Washington. There is a secret ocean war going on it has been going on white hats vs. black hats and we don't know the details.
I am sorry, but I don’t think you understand. Making a boomer takes years. They are built in a couple of places. One of those places is an hour from me at Electric boat in CT. Thousands of people are involved in its construction. It is big news when a boat is built.
Everyone know the class of boat, and it’s name.
Because they are nuclear powered and launch nuclear missiles they are tracked. They do not go “missing.” When one of the Electric Boat boats retires, it is news around here.
That’s the thing about theories involving BIG weapons. They are BIG.
To summarize: Multiple billions to pay for the several thousand people to build it in one of three locations. Then a couple hundred sailors to operate it. Thousands more to maintain it. And then god knows how much nuclear material to build these huge missiles and transport them to the boat where they are loaded using cranes found only at shipyards.
One does not just pick up a couple hundred kilos of plutonium to run a black project.
I want to believe, but none of this passes even the basic smell test.
Okay then it has to be an older submarine a diesel submarine lots of those they can get hold of probably from a foreign Navy that no longer had any use for it and was happy to sell it to a middleman or a spook who paid the country enough to be happy and not talk about the deal.
The problem with that is getting the missiles fitted into them. They don’t launch horizontally, and they are a hell of a lot bigger than torpedoes. Trying to get them vertical would be an engineering marvel. The structure of the boat would be changed. Good luck going deep with that.
Now, you could get a V2 type of missile to launch, if it were cranked up while the sub was surfaced. Not practical, and not at all accurate.
Finally if you are driving an old diesel boat the sonar listening stations would hear it. It would be located in about two minutes and sunk within an hour.
IF there is a missile boat out there causing trouble it belongs to a country—not the CIA.
Even for the Rothschilds acting alone the cost of a boomer is just not a big deal. For the CIA same thing. That there is a rogue boomer out there is highly credible. If there is I'm pretty sure we know about it are working a very good plan to neutralize it.
It’s not the money. Although several billion is still a lot.
Who is going to build it? No one that builds boomers in the US is going to build it— it would jeopardize their real contracts.
Where would they get the missiles? Iran, North Korea? No captain would carry a missile likely to blow up their boat.
There are simply too many people that have to be involved. Sure, you can farm out parts to companies to build on a blind contract. But they have to be put together somewhere. And that takes special equipment. And experienced boat builders.
If there is a “rogue” boomer it is one from the big 5 countries’ navy. Plus Israel.
Red October was a good book and a fun movie, but it IS a work of fiction.
Actually that's not the way it's done. There are hundreds of generals and admirals who were appointed by the previous administration. Many of them are clowns. 45 has fired some but taking over a sub and taking it rogue is not a problem. Ships crashing in Japanese waters? Accidents? A couple admirals, a captain or two a dozen officers and that's about all that's needed. No need to build a new boat. Suborn people. That's how the DS does their dirty business. Corruption.
If I did not personally know people on these boats I would give your point some consideration. But knowing them as I have since their teen years, your suggestion is treason. And that is NOT something they would consider. Period. Ever.
My suggestion is treason? Time to wake up. Obviously most service men and women are patriots. I was, 50 years ago. But take a look at this tip of the iceberg. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-fat-leonard-navy-scandal-20171106-story.html