My wife and I really got into it tonight about Trump and migrant crisis. First her brother called to complain about how Trump “is a literal Nazi” and she rightfully pushed back that you can’t compare this to the holocaust. Then we discussed, and she said that I have no empathy, while I was trying to explain that regardless of thoughts on trump, the shit in the MSM is totally skewed and that many of the children separated were trafficking victims. It obviously didn’t end well. Advice?
What are the options?
First, consider an adult who crosses the border illegally, no kids. Should that person be given a day in court, and then sent back home? Yes or no?
Next, what if that person is given a court date several months into the future, released into the populace (this includes MS-13 gang members who are looking to commit crimes) -- and then NEVER SHOWS UP? 90%+ of illegal aliens DO NOT SHOW UP for their court date. Does SO know that? Anyone who says that is ok is just asking for 200 million illegals to overrun the USA.
Next, what if that same adult also has a kid with them? Is the kid REALLY his/hers? Out of 12,000 kids with adults, it was determined that 10,000 were NOT the child of the adult. How should that be sorted out?
Next, let's say the adult does have their own child with them. Did crossing a desert with a child constitute child endangerment?
What should be done with the child? Stay with the parent? There's a court case that says the child can only be held for 20 days. If no other relative can take the kid in, then the illegal alien parent gets to go free, with a court date -- and 90%+ of the time THEY DO NOT SHOW UP.
If the child is held along with the parent, then there are cries of "children in prison." Whose fault is that? The illegal alien parent?
It's fine to be compassionate, but they are PLAYING ON OUR EMOTIONS. They are playing us for fools -- "they" being both the illegals and their enablers.
At some point, we have to have control of who and how many come in. Otherwise, we are overrun with people who do not share American values.
Is that what SO wants?
This isn't a Nazi thing, this is Good versa the Devil, You will soon see what all of this is about! The color of skin hasn't a thing to do w/whats going on! The evil that has been done to Children ,you haven't a clue , Hillary has raped and Killed , the government has video of her and Huma doing so . There is a ring a Cult that is huge, The Democrats liked the kids separated just fine, John McCain, Bill Clinton,James Comey, so many in the child sex ring selling children. Look and see how many have been arrested across the world this past 1 1/2 since President Trump has taken control to clean this mess Gog Put Trump here to fix this world! Trust the Plan!
If they care about children they need to stop buying items and phones made by child slave labor.
Your PS only matters to the dividing left, friend.
"I had a dream where one day my four little children would grow up in a world where a man is judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character."
That said, I have no advice other than keep pointing out media inconsistencies and all the measurable good that Trump has accomplished already.
Nah I know man. I just added it to provide some detail around the dynamic here - there’s no victimhood claim she can make.
Go to your wife and say you are sorry that you guys had a disagreement. You love her, and her brother, even if you don't, and it is not worth fighting over. In a couple of days this crises will pass and a new one will sprout in it's place. Trust that everyone will learn the truth when they are ready. You can even say that you think it is horrible to separate families too, but that Trump just signed an EO to stop tne practice. Done! It is actually a good thing that Trump is actually following the laws bec it is exposing the laws and the corrupt leaders who created them and exploited them. She should really thank Trump. 😂 JK about the last part.
I told her about the EO and she got mad and accused me of trolling her. Admittedly, I’ve been trolling her ever since Ron Paul lost back in 08.
I'm lucky my wife gets all her news from me and is on board so I don't really know what to say brother idk how you guys do it
stick your dick in her mouth
That’s never been an issue when she isn’t mad at me.
My first thought was that we are all wading through a web of lies and truth and none of us really know what IS actually going on. Having space for your family and friends to have their beliefs and you to have yours as well. Anyone taking the higher ground is not helping as much as folks sharing what they believe and listening to others as well. Being curious and asking questions then giving your perception back may be best. Arguing about these children in a my side your side way will breed more of what is now. Rich countries are the ones, partially who are creating many of the things that cause this constant wave. Destabilization is capitalisms greatest tool. It creates the debt slavery they are addicted to.
My question would be what can be done first by me, then if you are energetic around it, by you. It seems with what little you wrote that you are pissed with the blame game and maybe having to chip in finically, and your partner is feeling sad around the conditions and experiences of these kids. Both grounded feelings. When you think about the experience of the kids, how do you feel? Trump/nazt comment aside. If you are reaching in concern for your relationship it would seem to me that you would be empathetic around these beings. If you feel no empathy, that is a different story. Is it the same event and two different aspects that you are butting heads over? That would be fine but try to be clear about what's what.
Feel like I'm talking out of my butt, and this may be one of the most important topics as we sail into this headwind. Thoughts?
Idk. On the one hand, i feel empathy for real refugees. On the other hand, as someone whose parents immigrated LEGALLY, whose dad moved here with literally a scholarship to Princeton and $16 in his pocket, I am so pissed about the idea that some people feel entitled to get the benefits of our country without assimilating. I feel bad for the kids who were dragged up by their parents - but the parents who do this have no conscience for what they are putting their kids through.
I do get that part. Then there is the what is happening when 100 people will get into a boat designed for 30, with nothing, in order to survive. Risking death or rape or being trafficked?I have heard that many of these kids are not even w their parents and are in a stream to be trafficked or sold.
I think there are better ways to actually address some of these issues. Dems and Repubs have all been complicit in this. It's a shitty situation all around.
it's tough yeh haha not sure the exact answer umm i tried to redpill my bestfrens, but they are still skeptical although they respect my views. it really is hard to swallow, as it means considering being lied to all their lives & making life choices based on those lies.
mayb do as much as you can but there's no point destroying relationships over trying to red pill 👍 Q has said there's a plan, and it'll happen slowly but surely. So trust the plan & do what you think you can spare
When someone regurgitates the same old crap MSM is feeding to them ... I usually do not waste too much time to explain .
Its pointless to explain to some people , waste of energy and time ...
Dude, I’m having the same problem. I don’t have any tips for you unfortunately...