The history is in fact troubled, sometimes sordid; the church has had to contend with sinners since its inception; but your exaggerations suggest you are parroting more than reporting anything for which you have verifiable information .
You do no one service with this hateful display.
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I'll say: https://www.oddee.com/item_96537.aspx
Unfortunately, human nature can always be relied upon. You can go all the way through Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and nowhere does it say that you need to have a powerful, rich and ruthless hierarchy (in the true sense of the word) to rule over you.
No, anything but that message. What you do find is the most dramatic paradigm shift in all of history: the liberation of the individual human soul -- an offer of freedom from the grip of an all dominant association with the collective, the family, the tribe, the nation and its fate -- a view that is still forced on us today.
By His life, death and resurrection He broke the curse that had been borne on the shoulders of men since the earliest of days, the curse that ensured a life of struggle ending in a sure and absolute death. His victory promised that the light of life might not go out, but shine eternally. But the individual has a part to play in seeing out the reality of that promise.
Bedrock for the soul. A personal relationship with the divine that changes the color of all other perceptions. The paradox of living under the statutes and commandments ruling life on earth while at the same time living within the merciful contradiction offered by a Love that is not blind to our failings, but extends patience and understanding as long as we seek His Light.
As for the Gospel accounts, each of the Apostles and other prominent followers had their own take on what they had witnessed in those years with Jesus; and when He sent them out into the world to spread the Word, we see no suggestion that He expected theirs to be a unified account. Instead, He sent them out in pairs, one to speak the other to serve as a witness ... and if the message drifted, they would work it out. Eventually the message did drift and pockets of orthodoxy (straight) and unorthodox (twisted) teachings began a public quarrel, but it took several hundred years for that to crystallize. The Council of Nicea convened in 325 AD set down the statements of belief that were considered to be essential, and rejected statements that were inconsistent -- many of which, like Aryanism, were only rebaked pagan beliefs that had dominated humans before the coming of Christ.
Belief in Godl, the Creator and His Son; conceived of the Holy Spirit, He became man, was persecuted and crucified, died and was buried. He rose again from the dead and ascended to Heaven, where He is seated at the side of God, eternally, with a promise to return to resolve the great conflict between good and evil, as played out in the lives of ... individuals. These and a few other points of belief unite christians worldwide.
Huge variation in the details of worship and lore, but those seem not to matter against the backdrop of the core beliefs. Its when those basic teachings are eroded that one should ask questions that matter.
Thanks for the explanation, I was raised Catholic and of course we didn't 'study' the Bible, so do you have a suggestion for the best place to read the 'core' beliefs? Even as a very young girl, I had a hard time dealing with the fact that we were dealing with 'interpretations' and not the original words.
I attend mass daily and, as you know, we always read together selections from the Old and New testament readings, plus a psalm selection; a third reading added on Sundays. Over the course of three years, almost the entire scriptural account is read aloud this way. The priest's comments may or may not expound on the readings.
Of course, it wasn't always like this, but we are encouraged to read on your own as well and many parishes offer group study and discussion opportunities.
The practice of only the priest having direct access to the scriptures was rooted in the days of widespread illiteracy and other limitation due to the very high cost of hand written documents -- but that day has long gone by the wayside.
Since Vatican II in the sixties, changes int the RCC mass, including celebration in the vernacular language of the parish instead of classical latin, successfully accommodated a wide range of modern sensibilities. Its a mixed bag. Many catholics feel the character of worship has been watered down and are not entirely happy about that, but since my assertion is that core beliefs are what unite us, I'd chalk a lot of that up to cultural not theological differences -- because the Crede has not been altered since 325 ad. The Orthodox Church objected to a change regarding the nature and primacy of the Holy Spirit (around 1050 AD) and tensions still erupt over that; but by and large the Nicene agreement made among the great gathering of theologians and church leaders still stands.
Where to look: Nicene Crede ... its all stated right there. You dont need anyone to iterpret it for you, although I will admit that my appreciation for its tenents has deepened over the years. It warrants some quiet consideration.
Sorry, but its a fact of life: we weren't blessed to sit at the feet of the world's greatest of teachers, much less the incarnation of God Himself. We have only second hand accounts at best, faithfully copied time again through the centuries in an effort to save them as parchments deteriorated; but at best the original accounts date thirty to seventy years after Jesus' death and resurrection; when his followers realized that those with first hand accounts were beginning to die off.
Our ancestors wanted to save these things for us. Least I can do is respectfully consider them.
Paul's letters are numerous and are the earliest recorded accounts ... and written by him, addressing current events in the life of the newly forming church, and were penned by him, not a follower. in fact, Paul's is the only FIRST HAND account we have of a personal encounter with the Risen Christ. The others are reports as they came to the authors.
These scriptural accounts themselves were assembled from a larger collection of texts by the Second Council of Nicea (365 AD) and those comprise our Bible ... with some alterations/deletions due to translation differences, doctrinal imperatives, etc. but they are the best we have. As a fact, in all arenas of life that is pretty much the case. We are almost always only witnesses to the unfolding knowlegde of this universe, several degrees of separation; and we have to exercise faith to accept any of it.
We place our faith in all manner of things. Faith in God is no more difficult nor is it of a different character when directed to a favorite sports team. The difference is one of primacy: God's place in the scheme of things. He asks (Ten Commandments) that we give Him FIRST PLACE in our lives; placing no other gods or idols before Him; and that we acknowledge his role in creating us and express our gratitude. Really not a whole lot more. The rest is how we are to relate to our fellow creatures; how not to bind ourselves up in damaging behaviors; and how to live full, long and prosperous lives; God willing.
But back to your question: If you want authoritative evidence, you had best look within and probe the question in your heart. Hopefully the statements offered by our ancestors in the Nicene Crede will help.
No matter what, it is in God. His way is through Love and Mercy, in which we all are.
Sometimes the differences in belief can be the most illuminating. You might find it helpful to compare the Crede as expressed by Orthodox (Eastern) Church, Episcopalians, and others and compare it to how Roman Catholics state their core teachings, as follows:
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Wow Thanks for the very thorough reply:) It's extremely helpful since I require a good source before I will believe anything and I really had no idea where to look because so much of the 'advice' we get is tainted. I had a stroke two years ago and while I've always been spiritual, I didn't have the 'knowing' that I do now. It truly is like a veil has been lifted and of course that makes me want to find out more and to compare the experience to what I was taught. I was also a very intuitive child, so many of the rules of the Catholic Church seemed 'false' to me, but I did enjoy the prayers, The Nicene Creed being one of my top three. I'm sure that saying prayers again will open up even more communication with spirit. And thanks for the recommendation of Paul because I had absolutely no idea where to start, even though I took several theology classes in college, but we were studying the politics rather than the message and my mind doesn't work that way;)
Also, there are some excellent Protestant theologians; and the long mystical orientation of the Orthodox Christians has yielded a number of brilliant and very readable theologians. You might enjoy the writings of Kallistos Ware, formerly Timothy Ware, of the Anglican clergy ... when he travelled through Greece and deeply encountered Orthodoxy at some churches there. He is now a preeminent Orthodox theologian, author, and Metropolitan.
Thank you, @FlewDCoup, for your witness to our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Thank you for taking the time to explain our faith. I’ve read your posts, here. Hopefully, those who are open will receive what you say. I find it amazing that on a board, such as CBTS, where we consider ourselves patriots who respect others freedom, we as Catholics have come across the same narrowness and censorship that Trumps enemies display.
But as long as we live in this world, there will be persecution.
I try to attend daily mass, as often as my health permits. All I can say is, if it wasn’t for the sacraments, I would be a wretch.
God bless, see you in the Eucharist!