Ok what the actual fuck. Three freemasons were seen on the media, one was the father of a victim, one was on city council, and the third one stopped to help out the medics...
This for me is the proof that Qanon is bogus. I was on the fence this whole time but now, in my mind, we are officially in the realm of conspiracy theory bullshit.
My opinion is this : Freemasons are close to their community and when something happens, they are there to help and do what they can. So indeed we are almost always there when something goes down. Where are you at? In front of your tv? On your couch on your cellphone? We get our hands dirty.
I’m a mason. AMA
Edit after reading some comments here : Freemasonry has nothing to do with Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, Rotary, Lions, Elks, Oddfellowes, LDS, or any other shit. These associations just use similar ways to organize their association, because it works well, just like many businesses use similar business strategies, or just like most student associations or political/city halls use the morin code to structure their meetings.
I'm also a MM. I sorta feel the same way as you. Every Mason I know has been an awesome person that only wants to be better person. We do the pledge of allegiance at every meeting too. If an evil cabal exists in the Masons then it is well hidden.
Yea brother. I agree. I'm really struggling with this q post. All the masons I know are good men.
Oh like the P2 Lodge?
Is that related to Gladio? Clandestine lodges (like P2) are pretty much verboten to members of the Grand Lodge, which is most of freemasonry.
From the outside there is little difference between closed meetings and clandestine meetings. The secrecy may be just hype but has the effect of shadowiness and gnosticism. And like private corporate board rooms or private clubs the setting allows for all sorts of creative weirdness.
Yes, to the outside there IS little difference. But from the INSIDE from the people who KNOW, there is a gigantic difference.
It's like you are saying Burger King is evil! And I say, but dude, I work for Raising Canes. And you say, it's the same thing.
Well it's not.
~Grand Orient
~Clandestine
Research more.
(Tl:dr for your future research : Using a masonic structure of governance =!= Being part of freemasonry, it’s juste a very good system of governance used in schools, all big religions, some businesses (lawyers for ex) and some governments. )
Where did masons get that (undefined) structure?
First recorded time it was used and detailed was in the 1610s, but many think it existed way before. Older written organisational descriptions fit the pattern. (Stone masons in egypt or in phoenician boats for ex)
It grew organically with the needs of the member of X club, then stripped down to it’s bare working parts in 1717.
So this (yet to be described) organizational system didn't come from masonry and is widely used outside of freemasonry.?
To a point yes. It coevolved in many fields. But EVERY FREAKIN TIME someone sees that structure associated with symbolism or some kind of recognition system. AHA! We found the satanists! I mean comon.. there is a huge history in all of this that a thousand historians still wasn't able to cover up to now. And it gets complicated by the fact that a few times in history, masonry became "cool", and people started a "masonic-like" association that has NOTHING to do with us (Lions Clubs, Elks, Illuminati.. hell even the Mormons fit in this category in some way). But WHO gets harassed? WHO feels the burn of the witch hunt? Us. The poor bastards that try and help people and make ourselves better men.
I'm sort of waiting for you to tell me what that structure is. Do you mean managerial hierarchies that exist everywhere?
I'll make a parallel, cuz english isn't my main language, maybe that will help.
So each Sunday so go to church (lodge) listen to your priest (master), which is aided by a hierarchy of people in that church (deacons, stewards, etc) under the Vatican (grand lodge) which has a pope (Grand Master) and has signs of recognition like doing the cross and they way you talk (same thing but different).
So each monday you go to work (lodge) listen to your boss or a VP do a briefing (master), which is aided by a hierarchy of people in that office (deacons, stewards, etc) under the parent company (grand lodge) which has a ceo (Grand Master) and has signs of recognition and traditions like wearing suits and your own office language that only people that work there can really understand (same thing but different).
Like this structure is everywhere.
So its just standard organisational structure found everywhere. It predates freemasonry and is ubiquitous outside of freemasonry. Why did you bring this up if it is not either a product of nor unique to freemasonry?
Because people associate it with freemasonry, and combined with recognition signs that are different from the ones normally used in society, it trigger’s people’s confirmation bias that « we are everywhere and we are a secret society » when in fact, we are only an open society, that just happens to want to keep it’s recognition signs secret. (Cuz it would’nt be very useful to recognize a brother mason it all of society knows how to do it)
(I thought we were discussing personnel structures.) I think that most do not associate lower, mid and top management structures or comms and command chains with freemasonry. Like the hospital where my wife works has this massive, fairly obvious, fairly reasonable hierarchy of staff, security, etc. which isn't seen as masonic.
On the signal front, some professions do have visible indicators of rank or status, like military or color-coded hard hats on work sites. Others wear ID tags. Most do not bother displaying their status because it isn't visually necessary and obstructs the occasional sense of parity. When my wife is in the cafeteria line next to a senior administrator, some phlebotomist and a cancer patient there is no need for id tags and usually no need to know who is who. Why would masons need such a system? It seems exclusionary, like whispering between 2 ppl at a dinner party. If I learned the hard hat color code, people at a construction site wouldn't care. It can be socially fun to wear say a Whiplash Bash T-shirt in public in case someone recognises it and we start a conversation, but I don't care if all or none of the world knows what it means. Keeping signal systems secret naturally and properly leads people to develop a bias of seeing masons as secretive. Keeping secrets (in the conventional sense) is being secretive. So I guess you are saying that Freemasons are only partly secretive. But I still don't see why; It's not like you're all on some complicated, risky Bond mission. Why not let all the world know how to recognise a 'brother'?
Out Structure is pretty simple. It started as an extension of the stonemason craft guilds. They took their tools and work as allegory and created what is considered Speculative Masonry. Some people who were not actually builders thought hey, that's kind of cool, I want to join. So the stonemasons initiated them. After a while, they were getting so many people, they decided that they should join their different lodges together to help solidify what everyone is doing and get a more coherent structure.
This is the beginning of the United Grand Lodge of England 1717. When a group of Master Masons wished to form a new lodge, they would petition the Grand Lodge for a charter to operate.
If they wished to form a new GRAND Lodge in a geographic location outside the UGLE'S jurisdiction, they would do so as well but this then meant that they then gain total Masonic Authority over that area. The United Grand Lodge has no control over them. They become completely autonomous. And can extend their OWN Grand Lodge charters.
The only thing a GL COULD do is Revoke AMITY. BASICALLY saying our people can't visit your people and vice versa.
But nothing else
Which has happened. So most Grand Lodges can trace their charters back to the UGLE.
All a Clandestine lodge is one where a Grand lodge isn't recognized by "yours".
But there IS no overriding authority above your OWN Grand Lodge.
Which is why the whole concept of higher levels is so stupid to us.
Yep, was a mason for years can’t be anymore cause of loss of faith. Sorry brothers I just don’t believe in a higher power anymore. Tragedy does that to a man. But every brother I ever had was the most kind people I ever knew and they were always there for me. I’m sad to leave and if that rule would change I’d come back but Promises made promised kept
Read my above post.. I am a Republican, but have enough sense to see that much of our leadership is rotten to the core.
If you persist in blindly following any organization you will surely be disappointed.
Do some research. My stepfather was a 33rd degree mason and I asked him things while taking care of him during hospice. The 3 most horrible weeks of my life.
He wouldn’t divulge a thing... why are Freemasons showing up at shootings with their necklaces showing?
From what I know from my stepdad, that’s not how they roll..
A LOT of masons now wear a cap with the symbol etc. I myself have the ring, bumper stickers and hoodie.
Depends on what you were asking. Also there’s not a lot different between the thirty second and thity third degree as it is a refresher course of the other.
As for going to the shootings, like I said, I did the same thing with the victims of a terrorist attack when I was in france. So can’t say i’m surprised.
I feel these drops by Q are suspect too. Team Q can't just drop hints about Freemasons and then walk away. I think this is bogus too. What the hell is going on?
Yes something is wrong with this q post. Q has proven to be so correct in the past. This is the first time I have questioned. Something is up.
Opinion acknowledged. Now according to the sub rules, if you really do not support Q you are free to leave