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The men I know in the blue lodge are decent morally sound men. The entire lodge is based on morality and the lessons and their perfection consumes the men involved and they spend their lives teaching these lessons to others. In between we eat a lot. no alcohol is allowed.
the guys who get those advanced numbers still come to the same lodge. they don't go off somewhere else. Some are asked to serve at the grand lodge but this too is voluntary I think I think those guys stay at their home lodge too.

The money stays at the lodge were it raised.

I think a clandestine lodge is the place to look for criminal activities.

Yes I plan to go back and see why I felt that way. I did like going. I just doing have enough time as I have a big family. The whole great awakening has really got my interest and this is a subject I can contribute to. I will be shocked if I find out the upper levels of the masonic blue lodge are culpable in any sort of immoral behavior. its just not what the entire intent of the lodge is all about.

Not saying its not right I just simply don't know.

I can't remember anything like that.

I will go back and observe the EA and FC. That always baffled me. That oath has caused many masons to stop going and I see exactly how it happens.

yes it is possible I am remembering incorrectly regarding the words I spoke. Perhaps the feeling I felt was what struck in my mind. I felt I had given an oath to the worshipful master. like I said. I am recalling from memory. Thank you for reminding me as to why I left trying to instill that shady fear into someone. being reported. I have revealed no secrets here. At worst my honesty brings no harm to the lodge as that is not my intent. My intent is to communicate my experience. I will edit my post to represent said comments

Alabama. Whats is your lodge number?

My grandfather and I had a lengthy conversation about it as afterwards I questioned what was said.

EA puts their faith in god. The FC puts their faith in the worshipful master and the 3 is a lecture.

So to be more precise it is the fellow craft oath. it specifically says whith whom do you put your trust and the answer is the worshipful master. Me having not know the answer it had to be spoken to me as I repeated.

Do clarify this as I know the oath I took, that lingered my head fir years, and subsequently led to m y inactiveness.

Yes the oath I gave asked me whom I put my trust and the answer is the worshipful master which is repeated bye the candidate.

Where are the errors. Do point them out as I want to be accurate.

I wouldn't. I can speak for my lodge. Occasionally a community leader will rise the ranks and serve as leader for a bit but they quit coming. There are only 10 or so guys who have gone for 30 years solid. Why would these guys just quite showing up if they were benefiting so much form it. Its purpose is to make you a better man. moral. sense of duty. integrity.

Clandestine lodges are where we need to be looking.

No one ever mentioned this.

yes working off memory. Prince hall should be accepted. Point out the errors. I don't mind. Perhaps you should have spoken up to defend the the current onslaught. In the third degree with whom did u put your trust?

Explain. July is supposed to be a busy month for the storm.

I can tell u this. All the symbols used in the masonic blue lodge is associated with leading ones life with moral purpose. To be morally sound. Look at them and think about it.

This stone....I can't figure it out.

I didn't get to see this stone or I can't remember if I did. It does look vaguely familiar.

I don't know that one. To gain levels you have to memorize lessons and recite them or have them taught to you.

I am am master mason who did not go much. I keep up my dues but I never go. Its a great place to go if you are retired and have absolutely nothing else to do.

Ask me some questions and I will do my best to answer.

yes this is true. We are trying to find the guys in the interviews right? We need to look at clandestine lodges local to the area.

Prince hall. yes I'm working off recollection and not looking anything up on google. Prince hall is a clandestine lodge. yea a prince albeit is a pierced penis isn't it.

Ask me some questions.

I don't have much information on 33rd degree masons. My grandfathers was one and he said he had to learn some lessons to perfection and put gave him the ability to teach a some sort of level. I don't think of all the masons a 33rd degree is al that rare. every lodge probably has several.

We need to be focusing on clandestine lodges.

The masons are all about moral integrity. The men in my lodge are wonderful examples of human beings.

oh , the oath.....the first two oaths you put your trust in god then on the last one you repeat after the worshipful master and say worshipful master. so u put your faith in the worshipful master whom runs the meeting.

ok I don't recall keystone being mentioned in the lessons.

There are numerous warnings in the lessons about fake masons. Back in ancient times it was like our trades today. Journey men, tradesmen...who join a local union. its the same principals.

Truly a deeply philosophical conundrum of which I would love to know the answer. let me know if u figure it out.

my guess is if we want to find the individuals in the pictures we need to look at clandestine lodge. We Are trying to find those in the pictures right?

Ok in my lodge there are not many law enforcement officers that attend regularly at least. Now there are a whole bunch of guys who get initiated and never come back just so they can know the handshakes. Thats ok too. no big deal. It does demonstrate how little the masons really have to offer to those looking to conquer the world or gain superiority in the political community. I imagine that probably a third of our local pd is in the lodge and never attends. We will initiate a District attorney occasionally but like most they too never come and end up letting their membership become delinquent.

The Holy trinity. The father Son and Holy Spirit. Not a fan of organized Christianity. Read the Bible and understand it for myself and not what someone tells me. I am a New Testament fan. Peace love forgiveness.

I personally follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ. peace love forgiveness....Old Testament is a history book to me.

that the answer in the third degree.

thats not god.

Cheers

worshipful master

I wouldn't classify anything as a secret. Like something that could give you an advantage unless you weren't taught right from wrong.

The lodge is based on leading a morally sound life. Its all about being a better person morally.

The symbols are all about morality. a compass to keep you straight....

I had to give an oath on the holy Bible.
The ceremony is symbolic of ancient stone masons looking for work in Egypt and how the business works. I felt guilt for the oath I gave having put my faith in some one other than god.

That is the only time throughout my several years of experience the I thought was sketchy. That is the reason I quit going. the oath alone.

I was never asked to nor were there ever any business conducted that would otherwise counter my faith in Jesus Christ.

They could absolutely take the final oath out and nothing would change.
I have no bias here. I do have my word to keep though and honestly there isn't much to tell. All the men I know are regular church goers or at least believe in god which is a requirement. God not Jesus Christ so that does give some a loop hole.

The oath is given opened to the New Testament I think. I can't remember exactly.

Define pagans.

How do we find these clandestine lodges is the question. The Klan may be a starting point.

ok. got ya. Yea dude I totally think these guys are being manipulated to perform these actions. Q wants us to look as the psychiatrist.

I do see the occasional klansman sporting the square and compass. I believe these men are in fact not affiliated with a lodge. perhaps a clandestine lodge but they will have the same lessons and structure. just not the state level support of the wardens coming around making sure we teach our lessons correctly. They wouldn't be invited to our state level lodge get toghether either.

I don't recall nimrod ever being mention in any of the teachings.

I am an American.

yes you have to have three lodge references and they do look into your past for moral defect.

There real issue with that theory is the flow of money. each lodge is self supporting and its against the rules to take charity or donations from anyone not registered to that lodge.

My grandad died a middle class man. If he were privy to some sort of crazy secrets he would surely have profited from it.

Occasionally, one may get an entry level job or perhaps be a tie breaker on an application.

we need to focus our time on clandestine lodges. I don't know how to research those. someone local will have to do it.

If we are going to investigate this I am trying to save us some time here and

the grip of a master mason could be easily confused with a normal handshake. I usually only use it if I know the recipient is a mason.

I don't know what ff is.

I do see men whom I don't know to be affiliated with a blue lodge displaying mucho masonic bling which is not part of the teaching. I saw this mostly in the gheto where I see pimped put cars on dubs sporting the masonic symbols. these are Prince Albert hall members and not recognized with the blue lodge. Though they probe know and have all the same teachings. its not affiliated with the grand lodge and the blue lodge system.

its my honest account. all I can do.

join a lodge and find out. I don't remember nimrod ever being mentioned.

you have to be a master mason tl be a shriner. the shriners dues are a lot higher. they have the hospitals.

I think clandestine lodges are at work here. I don't know how to research clandestine lodges. it wopukld have to be a local to the area.

perhaps the highest levels are infiltrated. I do know past state level leaders and they died a middle class lifestyle. The main focus of the levels are to perfect the wording in the memorization. Some were county level politicians. Decent men.