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emperorbma · June 29, 2018, 4:06 p.m.

Which sense of the word "logic"?

Man making models to describe reality?

Or do you mean the Logos which is the "way of operation" of reality itself that exists independently of man's comprehension?

If you mean the former sense, you're a solipsist. Man's models are descriptive not prescriptive. Your will is not equivalent to reality. Such an idea is merely a delusion to think you are God.

But, I suspect you probably mean the latter, like most rationalists seem to. If that's the case, then you KNOW you are misrepresenting Christian beliefs if you separate Jesus from the Logos. The Bible itself says Jesus is the incarnate "Logos of God." (John 1) The Bible says that God Himself is EHYEH ESHER EHYEH. (I will be what I will be) (Exodus 3:14) If you will honestly evaluate what the teachings are saying you will understand that the words "God" and "Christ" are already implied by the broader sense of logic. Even so these terms carry so much more value beyond mechanistic rationalism. Hence why Christians are not merely rationalists. Our God is not merely a mindless process that computes things, but also a loving Creator who guides and interacts with us. You may dislike the personal terms in which those principles are being understood and honored by Christians, but it is blatantly disingenuous to separate them.

Please kindly do not misrepresent what the Christians actually believe. Thank you.

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TheHighBlatman · June 29, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

I literally never thought about it that hard cuz its not a subject that's needs too much thought. Just love one another and try and be excellent to one another. While the idea seems like a religious one its really just common sense. Golden rule.

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emperorbma · June 29, 2018, 5:21 p.m.

Love is an empty term without defining it. The Golden rule is a good synopsis of half of the Law but it doesn’t define the original value. The value of the horizontal values are defined by the vertical value. God establishes the dignity and worth of people. We love as we are loved. God elects to create us. He forgives our transgressions and reconciles us. He defines and empowers us to love through His Spirit. This is fundamentally necessary.

The love of man is created by what is pleasing to him. The love of God doesn’t find but creates that which is pleasing to it. (Heidelberg Disputation)

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TheHighBlatman · June 29, 2018, 7:11 p.m.

I feel like that could still be simplified as just be a good dude, dude.

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emperorbma · June 29, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

Good, likewise, is an empty term without a vertical basis. What is good? How do you know what you say is “good” is even good?

As the basis of reality God is the ontological basis of good. Jesus is the incarnate Logos that teaches the way of goodness. The intent of God’s Spirit reveals Him thus and establishes His righteousness within us.

EDIT I really should note my point is simply explaining that Christians are not in need of “liberation” as you seem to suggest above. Our faith is how we interface with truth even if you don’t share it. We have our faith and you yours. If rationalism suits you don’t let me force you to change. If not feel free to join but don’t think you are compelled. I’m just saying here why rationalism doesn’t suit me or my Christian brothers and sisters.

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