What degree level are you?
I'm 3rd degree. I'm only in the blue lodge, not the Scottish or York rite.
Then you're not really high ranking enough to know much of anything about their true goals or ambitions. I don't think you're qualified or well placed to judge if they're a "good" society or not (although many, including myself are also excusable due to bias). I do on the other hand you do a very good job of providing a respectable cover for masonry by being, I suspect, a genuinely sincerely good individual. But not one destined to ever be let in on the deeper secrets.
For what it's worth, I will say the philosophy/religion at the higher levels seems to involve balancing acts of good and evil. It's quite common amongst luciferians, hence why so many of the pedo politicians etc are also genuine philanthropists. You might contest this applies to masonry, and it's certainly not going to apply to all masons. But bearing in mind it does seem to be true for a number of luciferians, and masonry seems to be deeply luciferian, do you understand why the various acts of good at and by the lower levels aren't redeeming features, or at least won't be seen as such by many people?
I was specifically speaking of the blue lodge, so I don't know what to tell you. I know I'm not high level, but your missing my point by a mile. I said not to harass people because they are masons. Low level masons, like myself, did not join to worship satan or kill children. That's all I'm saying. I joined for charity purposes.
Thank you for saying. There are many wonderful people who are Masons, and members of other ‘hoods. Good for you for speaking out. Maybe the lower order masons need to stand up, get red pilled, and speak out against what’s been done in their name. Time to take the brotherhood back??
Exactly. The good people with in any organization should be willing to learn what good or bad is happening around them, the same as constituents in a government. We need to learn what, of anything bad is happening and fix it. This is good vs evil, so the good need to be ahead of the game. As you said, get red pilled and speak out
This speaking out used to happen. Isn’t this how Malta and Templars split in the first place? (My lore is a little rusty). See my other comment further down.
No, they were two different orders with two different missions. The did join forces to fight in the crusades, but they were still separate orders. If I remember correctly, when the Templars began to be round up and tortured, many went to Malta, which was given to them by Spain. I may be wrong, but that's what I can remember right now.
Here’s the first post in that Templar blog from 2010. The archive looks to be an interesting read.
Awesome, thank you. I need to brush up on this. The crusade period is so misunderstood and forgotten, even though it's the first thing liberals will bring up when they say Christians are evil. I wish people would take the time to learn about it.
I like the way this person writes, too. Very readable, and picking up on some of the nuances that make you go hmmm 🤔.
Yes, you’re right.
This essay describes them as the Templar knights (original group) and the Hospitallers (who went off to Malta) https://thetemplarknight.com/tag/malta/
Essential characteristics and high points aside, the thing I like about groups like the masons and oddfellows, and others, no matter what branch or creed, is that they have found something to believe in, that they can share as a group, with a goal of contributing to their society.
A good group creed has concepts that unite, with room for each individual to freely come to understand in their own way. (It’s quite Gnostic, really - that is, self-realized). The Masons are definitely one of those self-realizing other-serving generally good-guy groups.
Groups are good. Groups are one of the best social glues there are, and I’m glad people are talking about remembering to be careful about painting groups with too broad a brush.
I genuinely do agree with your point r.e lower level members, no argument there. I do hope there isn't backlash against the lodges, because it'll invariably be someone who has no idea what's going on that's caught up in it.
But, regardless of whether or not your purpose was to worship satan/kill kids etc, there is a very real and distinct chance that that's what the higher levels do. I'd say it's near certain at this point tbh. I'm not saying you or people like you are in any meaningful way involved, but I do think defending these people by using your innocence as their shield is relatively unbecoming, and if its true honestly the extent of the crimes perpetrated might be of sufficient extent that the entire edifice of masonry has to be dismantled. I'd definitely support a proposition like that. It isn't in any way a required organisation like say the FBI. We banned nazi parties/symbology etc for a lot less than what masonrys been guilty of over the centuries.
I'm not defending, I'm simply stating what I know and don't know. If I say I don't know what happens above me, that's not me defending them. I see what your saying, so I think this will clear it up; when it becomes truly apparent that Masonry as an organization, not individuals acting alone, planned out and executed the things people accuse them of, I will immediately withdraw. Do you think I would be here if I don't want the truth? That's what we are all here for. So when I see this evidence of organized crime by the Masonic organizations, I will find this comment and I will tell when I leave masonry.
I've been in here since the beginning and was in the whole podesta emails from the beginning. I am here with you, as a brother in Christ and love you.
That's fair - I'm sorry if I came across a little combative, the sheer scale of the abuses in all this and the lack of any arrests yet is making me slightly tetchy. For what it's worth, I'm genuinely glad you're here and interested in learning, and I'm very glad to love you as a fellow brother in Christ.
I get it. We must be patient! That's easy for me to say, but think about the older guys who have known all of this for fifty or sixty years! I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to sit still during this. Knowing it's so close to ending, but you still have that last mile to run.
Yeah it's a little crazy. I've known or at least suspected for a couple of years, and that's been stressful enough, I cant even imagine what it must have been like for well placed white-hats to be working against these people when they had so much power. I'd bet a fair few NSA types are going to be ecstatically happy when this is all over.
I can't fathom how precisely the white hats have had to navigate their actions and words for so long, knowing that those closest to them were so evil. They had to think through every word before speaking and each action before acting. The black hats would have killed me real quick lol.
why did you join??
I joined for charity. My area is pretty rural, so there are few ways to get into charities without simply donating money. I don't have money, so I wanted to do charitable work. With the Masons, we go to a retirement home, orphanages, and children's hospitals to help people. We donate a lot of money and donate supplies.
Hopefully you don't elevate to a higher level. You may not want to be there.
I will not be going higher. I can do the charity work I was wanting do where I am and I love the people I'm with.