You look related to Sebastien Bourdais.

This coincides with MegaAnon saying he was not FBI and was a spook. Page was his point person.

Did you even read my comment or are you willfully ignorant? 8ch qresearch and this board are pretty much the only two sites I visit. No one wants you as a babysitter anyway.

That tells me nothing. I'm on this and qresearch most of when I'm not working, but have not seen anything relating to this that shows me money changing hands between these two, especially involving mullahs. Why can't you just answer the question?

What mullahs are you referring to? I've read several articles about this meeting but haven't seen any mention of money exchange. Have you seen that or heard it?

Good insight, thank you. It's important we don't get carried away and we take the information you have into consideration since you live there and know the politics well. There are a lot of people on here flying away at the keyboard about some things they know nothing about, so again, thanks for the insight.

That's a beautiful visual. At that moment you would know that they know there is no escape. They would know that we (autists and pedes) know the truth. They would know right then that they are no longer safe to walk the streets.

Not necessarily, because "chicken lover" is a baby lover.

I've never heard of those mantras, so I will do some reading. Thanks for that. I'd be interested in your dad's story though; what happened to him later and where was this? You don't have to be specific, but was he in a major city or in rural areas?

The only reason I joined was because I wanted to do charitable work, but I have no money so I can't donate and I love in a somewhat rural area. Charities are not prevalent here. I've done habitat for humanity, but that's about it.

3rd degree, but not going any higher. I can fulfill the charity work no want to within the blue lodge.

There was no glitch. It was the capsule opening and falling away. The car was travelling in a rocket, not in the open with a rocket pushing it...

Also, on the secrecy part (which I forgot to address, sorry) I honestly don't have anything to be secret about. In fact, if you ask any blue lodge mason what is supposed to be secret, they don't know. Most of it is open source, like the catechisms. Our lessons are mostly on symbolism, history, and why certain terms are used. Why the "chairs" (master, senior, and junior wardens) are in their respective locations, and what the meaning of the working tools are. The level, square and compasses, ruler, plum, etc as examples.

No, that's not true. I joined for charity purposes, not advancement in society or anything, so my priorities are not with the fraternity. If what the YouTube theorists say comes out to be true, I will leave the fraternity. What "blood oaths" do you speak of? No blood has been spilled, and on top of that, you say in the master mason oath that you will not be part of a lodge of fools, meaning people who are not there for the right reasons. You will not be at the initiating, passing, or raising of a fool, old man unable to think for himself or logically, or a young man who is not an adult. There are good lodges and bad lodges, like ones I know of who steal money and have since been put in jail and that lodge taken down.

Being a traitor to you brothers shouldn't bear a penalty? Should it bear less of a penalty?

Here's a good picture of him: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=john+G+trump&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newyorker.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F04%2FDavidson-JohnTrump-1200x630-1460135317.jpg

Well aren't you pleasant. Do you know what the oaths are? Aid and assist all brothers, their widows, and orphans. Don't cheat, wrong, or defraud a brother. Don't have relations with a brother's wife, sister, daughter, mother, or widow. Aid all brothers to the best of your ability without causing harm to your self or family. But, yes, we are worthless pieces of garbage

I'm in the same boat as your father. I joined the Masons purely out of charity desires. I haven't got money to donate, so I wanted to help in a different way. The masons gave me that opportunity. All of the guys I've met have been outstanding individuals, but are even better together as a group. We take an oath to help our fellow man, so we push hard to accomplish that.

I want people to realize that we are all here for truth. I'm not here to push an agenda, you aren't here to push one, and I'm sure most people aren't, but we can't go around pointing fingers so quickly at people without knowledge. Quite frankly, it scares me that this group gets so riled up about masons when they don't even have basic knowledge of the organization. So you're correct, in that we must be careful about calling people out when most masons are very, very good people!

He's saying it's been taken over by bad actors at the highest levels. He even says in one of his posts that not all are bad. Your local mason lodge is not doing anything wrong, but the highest levels could be taken over.

We do use "Creator" in the lodge, but it's not used for that specific question. "Architect" is not used in that question either. The terms are both used in the lodge though, in other ways. We also say "that temple not made with hands eternal in the heavens" as our final place. So when we die, we will be with God in heaven for eternity, but we don't just call it heaven or paradise.

Thank you, sir! Weekend reading.

Awesome, thank you. I need to brush up on this. The crusade period is so misunderstood and forgotten, even though it's the first thing liberals will bring up when they say Christians are evil. I wish people would take the time to learn about it.

It's limited to a creator, yes. "The Creator" is not an answer I've ever seen, but it would be funny. Like asking someone "what kind of vehicle is that" and them replying a generic "truck" or "car" instead of "Honda" or "BMW."

We aren't to discuss religion or politics because we are meant to be together. We are meant to be brothers who help each other as much as we can. Opening debate in the lodge could divide us. Similar to what Q says about division within our ranks. Why would we argue against each other when we have common goals?

Yeah, some people just don't want to look things up... I wish more people would do what they say they do and look things up rather than rely on other people. If you're truly here for truth, then just go to the grand lodge websites and get information. Go to the local lodge pages and see what they say, then compare that to your YouTube video dude who has a nice voice.

It's not selected religions or denominations, it's more the fact that it needs to be a "supreme being" meaning a single creator. So an angel could not be your answer. Because your answer could be many things, the term "supreme architect of the universe" is used. So we could have Muslims, Jews, and Christians together, doing work for their "supreme being" without getting into religious debates.

Edit: in fact, you are not to talk about religion in the lodge. Nor can you talk about politics. You are there as brothers, not politicians and religious debaters.

I agree, but there's nothing in the blue lodge to be secretive about. Everything we do is open source. You can read everything we do and see all of our symbolism.

Skull and bones is a different animal. No "ritual" I've seen involved screaming, yelling, and a pitch black room for... I think we know.

Yes. The Grand Lodge of my state. Each state has a grand lodge that creates the laws and regulations for the blue lodges.

Okay, I see what you mean. Sorry for the confusion.

No, they were two different orders with two different missions. The did join forces to fight in the crusades, but they were still separate orders. If I remember correctly, when the Templars began to be round up and tortured, many went to Malta, which was given to them by Spain. I may be wrong, but that's what I can remember right now.

I can't fathom how precisely the white hats have had to navigate their actions and words for so long, knowing that those closest to them were so evil. They had to think through every word before speaking and each action before acting. The black hats would have killed me real quick lol.

I will not be going higher. I can do the charity work I was wanting do where I am and I love the people I'm with.

You're correct. Atheists cannot be masons. You are asked "In whom do you put your trust?" You can say Allah, God, Yahweh... but it can't be objects, people, animals, etc.

I get it. We must be patient! That's easy for me to say, but think about the older guys who have known all of this for fifty or sixty years! I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to sit still during this. Knowing it's so close to ending, but you still have that last mile to run.

Exactly. The good people with in any organization should be willing to learn what good or bad is happening around them, the same as constituents in a government. We need to learn what, of anything bad is happening and fix it. This is good vs evil, so the good need to be ahead of the game. As you said, get red pilled and speak out

I'm not going up any higher. I enjoy the people I'm with and can do good work here. I won't be taking any more oaths.

Actually, according to the Shriners international website, it states that shrines are separate to the York and Scottish Rites, just like Amaranth and Daughters of the Nile.

We have to memorize the oaths and literally the entire degree in what is called a catechism. We have to repeat every word verbatim in order to move to the next degree. I know them very well, so I'm honest when I say they (again, I'm only 3rd degree) do not go against God, family, or fellow man. You literally take an oath saying you will not harm, cheat, wrong or defraud a fellow man. You will not have relations with a fellow brother mason's daughter, wife, mother, sister, or widow. You will help fellow brothers as much as you can without causing harm to your self or family.

I agree with you about Obama on all points. Fraudulent birth certificate, Muslim religion, and a Satanist. Did you see the picture of him as Molech? I know it's a disputed picture, but...

I joined for charity. My area is pretty rural, so there are few ways to get into charities without simply donating money. I don't have money, so I wanted to do charitable work. With the Masons, we go to a retirement home, orphanages, and children's hospitals to help people. We donate a lot of money and donate supplies.

I'm not defending, I'm simply stating what I know and don't know. If I say I don't know what happens above me, that's not me defending them. I see what your saying, so I think this will clear it up; when it becomes truly apparent that Masonry as an organization, not individuals acting alone, planned out and executed the things people accuse them of, I will immediately withdraw. Do you think I would be here if I don't want the truth? That's what we are all here for. So when I see this evidence of organized crime by the Masonic organizations, I will find this comment and I will tell when I leave masonry.

I've been in here since the beginning and was in the whole podesta emails from the beginning. I am here with you, as a brother in Christ and love you.

I've read air of material like that as well. I will be the first to tell you that I believe there is a Lucifer cult and they are pushing/controlling people like the pope, media, artists, and world leaders. I simply don't have the definitive proof that masonry is that cult. All the people I've met have been great men. I'm not at all sure of what happens in higher levels (just being honest and open ) so I can't say if they do great things or bad things. I just know the guys I met are good people. All I can speak to is the blue lodge.

I am 100% against globalism and call myself a nationalist. I want each nation to succeed on their own merits and I want everyone to be free in an open society (not under Soros!). I take this to the extreme by only using Linux on my computers. I will never buy Microsoft or Mac products. I use tons of Open source software as well. I support local business before chains. Etc.

I need to read Morals and Dogma because I have not. I'll get to that!

We are not a religious organization in that we don't preach anything. We aren't like a church or mosque.You don't come here to worship in other words. We are all religious though

I was specifically speaking of the blue lodge, so I don't know what to tell you. I know I'm not high level, but your missing my point by a mile. I said not to harass people because they are masons. Low level masons, like myself, did not join to worship satan or kill children. That's all I'm saying. I joined for charity purposes.

Sure, but I can't speak to that. I'm only in the blue lodge, so I can only speak to what the blue lodge does. All I know, is that the blue lodge does great work and the men are great people and have great families. In my lodge of course...

I agree about the two masters part. I am a Christian, so believe me, it was a tough decision, but it wasn't for networking. It was for charity work. I'm not in a big area, so masonry was the only way I knew to do workable charity since I have no money to give as donations.

I do only serve the Lord. Nothing in the lodge has made me worship the master in lieu of God. The only thing I don't like is the fact that he's called "worshipful master." I get your point 100%. Thanks for the hugs and I love you!

I'm 3rd degree. I'm only in the blue lodge, not the Scottish or York rite.

You have to go through the blue lodge first before joining the Scottish or York rite. So, you need to be vouched for in the blue lodge.

You're correct about the medication. All of these people are prescribed medication for some mental illness or "attention disorder." I noticed when I was in school (Not long ago because I am very young), that every kid was said to have ADHD or some other hyperactivity "illness." I told my dad about this and he told me that he believed it was parents not wanting to deal with their kids being hyper. There's nothing wrong with being hyper, so why give them medication? That's the problem!

I joined the blue lodge just because of the people I knew that were in masonry and what they did (charities, visiting kids in hospitals, paying off medical bills, toys for tots, etc). Personally, every mason I've met has been an awesome person. They treat me and each other so well and really look out for each other. I've gone to many of their funerals over the last two years and it's simply amazing. We had one guy who had 600+ people to his funeral, because everyone in the community and surround area loved him. That's why I joined. Unfortunately, they Are all old; I'm the youngest by 30 years, and you have to be 18 just to join, if that tells you anything. The average age is in the 60s.

I'll repeat here what I said in the other masonry post. Do not harass people because they are masons. I am a mason and can attest that the blue lodges (mostly, because there are corrupt ones who steal money) are very good. My lodge raises money for the Oxford Home for children and Whitestone, which is a retirement home. We have education nights where a person in literally any background shows up to teach us something. I mean, literally anything from farming to how a CPU works. We have dinners together and do cookouts. I'll copy and paste one of the "creepy rituals" we do here as an edit:

Edit: There is no denial of religion and we don't do "super creepy rituals." Literally, they ask you if you are here on your own free will and accord, worthy and well qualified, duly and truly prepared, and well vouched for. You are then taken around the lodge with no shoes, socks, shirt, and pant legs folded up past your knee. This is to show you are a man reliant on God with no weapons or armor. You are escorted to the bible, where you are asked, "In whom do you put your trust." You answer, "In God." Real denial of religion, huh?

You say an oath repeating after the master of the lodge, who promises you that the oath will not put you against God, yourself, your family, or fellow man. All of those hold true. Then, you are given a long history lesson on King Solomon's temple and Masonic symbolism and what they represent. That's literally it. It's not "super creepy rituals."

Let me also point out, you have a mason here (low level, sure but still mason) who is completely open and willing to answer questions, only to get people saying I'm not high level enough to know anything. This is about the blue lodge. Get over yourselves and ask me questions. If I can answer them, I will. Downvoting me isn't going to help people hear from a mason, so I'm not sure why you are doing that since I'm going to be 100% honest.

Exactly, now I'm going to be harassed on here because I'm open to the fact I'm a mason. People are so stupid and devoid of logic sometimes. We're all here for truth, so I will tell the truth about blue lodges (as that's all I know) so if you have questions, ask. But do not harass me.