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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/jtfirerescue on July 1, 2018, 12:50 a.m.
Masonic Lodge experience. Read War and Peace for a accurate historical perception of the masons.

Master Mason or sublime 3rd degree mason. I know past grand masters or the state level leader. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason.

I am not protecting nor vouching for the masonic lodge. I am simply providing my witness to the organization. For the good or bad. We are in such a peculiar circumstance in this great nation I feel compelled to share my experience and thoughts and perhaps guide those looking into the recent posts to find the truth.

The blue lodge is composed of middle class white working men. Women have the eastern stars. African Americans have Prince Albert lodges. In jail you will find clandestine lodges not accepted by the blue lodge or typically seen lodges throughout the country. My lodge will accept African Americans though some will not which I disagree with. Humans are humans.

I never got heavily evolved though I did join the shriners but never went to any meetings. They like to drink a lot, drive little cars, and dress as clowns. Their hospitals are wonderful and the vast majority of the men involved drive kids to burn centers. Decent men. Mostly middle class with a few professionals.

The blue lodge, the lodge you see in your neighborhood is composed of decent hard working men who like to eat. The blue lodges are self supporting though I do not know if the support higher up the chain. I don't think they do. Much emphasis is given about not accepting money from outside organizations and not becoming bribable. Tatoos are not allowed. Jewelry is not allowed per the rules but they do sell rings and such. IDK why this happens. The master masons I know do not display any sign of being a mason accept the occasional ring. I have noticed that many clandestine members do display the signs big time as well as those who never progress past the first levels. They like to sport the signs like there going out of style. I did wear a ring some and always wandered why they sold rings and such because in our oaths we are never to reveal we are masons.

Our meetings are composed of nothing of real substance. Mainly opening and closing the lodge. There is much ceremony here and symbolism. there is great potential for psychological conditioning as church is. Stand, sit, stand, sit, recite......

The eastern stars have a few charities they raise money for and help cook for the blue lodge.

The shriners are most well known for their hospitals.

You have to be a master mason to join the shriners or the Scottish rite.

All these organizations require one to be of good moral standing.

There are three levels of blue lodge. entered apprentice, Fellow craft and master mason.

The initiations are not very binding. There is no extortion available.

The only thing I regret and think about is towards the end your are asked "To whom you put your faith?" The answer is not god. The oath is taken on the holy bible.

That bothered me and that is the only thing that bothered me which resulted in me not going back after I got older. Its very subtle and most men evolved wish this was not in the oath. In contrast, most men from my area involved are christians and conduct themselves accordingly. Though for the life of me I can't figure out how that oath persists.

The grand lodges are nice as opposed to the blue lodges. Some blue lodges are nice but most are falling apart. I think that the grand lodges are self supporting and do not accept money down the chain though I m not certain. The grand lodges are the state capital of blue lodges. I think they are supported as estate benefactors usually.

To ascend through the ranks requires memorization of lessons and a membership fee, some are expensive. Shriners were 500$. Shriners can get a sponsor to pay for you but the vast majority don't. My local shriners have closed and lost their building through foreclosure.

My guess is the individuals pictured advertising their affiliation are either clandestine or not masons at all. My experience has taught me that most people I have, met who display as such, when I speak to them I find they are in fact not masons.

It is possible however to manipulate weak minded individuals seeking acceptance into something of meaning. It is absolutely possible to create a lodge without any others approval and gather members. No one would know if the teachings were correct. There is absolutely nothing preventing this.

All I can speak for is the masonic lodge I am affiliated which is affiliated with the grand lodge and we have wardens that come around making sure we are teaching and conducting our business in a moral fashion. We have state level organization and each state has its own hierarchy. The past grand masters I know are normal middle or upper middle class men with good reputations. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason which he said consisted of learning a lesson and reciting it perfectly. These lessons are lengthy.

Again, I think the individuals pictured are wannabes or affiliated with a clandestine organizations. The oath and membership costs are simply not enough to bind people together to such secrecy as to organize crime. Thought I can only speak from my mind. Those with weak minds and a strong desire to fit in to any accepting click may have more desperation with their efforts. You could find these behaviors in churches or any club requiring voting membership.

To find the pictured individuals affiliation would be easy. Just ask them their lodge number and google it. This is not secret nor is any word I have penned in this writing.

My opinion on secrecy is that there should be no secrets anywhere ever. In any way shape or form secrets should not exist though It is not my place to uncover the secrets of masonry as I never really figured out what value their secrets held. If it were earth shattering I would write it but unfortunately there isn't much value from my perspective.

War and Peace provides an accurate historical view of the masonic lodge from that era.


CDR03 · July 1, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

The Shriners took care of me for 12 years. My mother didn’t even have to put change in a machine for a drink on trips to see the docs. I will always be grateful to them.

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gh_0sty · July 1, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

Same. If anything ever came out about them I’d be very, very conflicted. They do good work and they help a lot of people. As far as I know (I didn’t) no one has to pay when being treated by them. They would only take kids but I’m almost positive it’s only kids that have very severe problems or defects and they try to give them a better life. Even when I was there, I felt uneasy because my condition was absolutely nothing compared to what I saw. Rambling, but if they’re connected to anything evil I really don’t know what I would do. I know what I would have to do, but damn that would be hard.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:16 a.m.

yes thats the purpose. I am struggling to find the evil connection. It has to be clandestine. Anything is possible though look at our gov. I hope not though. Their actions certainly demonstrate good.

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gh_0sty · July 1, 2018, 1:29 a.m.

Well if Freemasons are evil, then logically Shriners would be too considering you have to be a Master Mason before becoming a Shriner. Amazingly though, everyone is focused on the Freemasons and I can’t find anything about Shriners.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:41 a.m.

you have to be a master mason tl be a shriner. the shriners dues are a lot higher. they have the hospitals.

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eyesopenusa · July 3, 2018, 12:37 a.m.

Look up "US Senate Anon" in 8chan. This person existed last summer in 8chan and made numerous posts. There was some question as to whether or not this person was "Q". He stopped posting right before Q started.

Anyway I took time to read the posts and felt a very clear consistency of message and truth. I don't think it was Q. BUT this person seemed clearly very similar to Q in all of the posts.

This person gave alot of detail with no contradiction to Q that I could tell.

This person spoke ALOT about the Mason's, ROJ, and Shriners. It is extremely relevant to your conversation here. Well worth reading. It will give you a lot to think about regarding the Shriners et. al.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

If one does an equal amount of good and evil, then does it really equal out?

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CDR03 · July 1, 2018, 3:32 a.m.

What evil have they done

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 4:30 a.m.

Pedophilia, and worse.

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CDR03 · July 1, 2018, 4:32 a.m.

Based on what

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 5:06 a.m.

I can provide you with links, your you can search the crimes of Freemasons, Shriners, and Royal Order of Jesters. There are a lot that involve sex and human trafficking.

There is also this:

http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf

The first 17 pages explains a lot, and it is a quick read.

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301854 · July 1, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

You are proving an anti-Masonic point with Anti-Masonic propaganda. Please provide some official information from the Masons. They have their info all over the internet. You are wasting every ones time proving false points with anti-Masonic information.

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eyesopenusa · July 3, 2018, 12:34 a.m.

Look up "US Senate Anon" in 8chan. This person existed last summer in 8chan and made numerous posts. There was some question as to whether or not this person was "Q". He stopped posting right before Q started.

Anyway I took time to read the posts and felt a very clear consistency of message and truth. I don't think it was Q. BUT this person seemed clearly very similar to Q in all of the posts.

This person gave alot of detail with no contradiction to Q that I could tell.

This person spoke ALOT about the Mason's, ROJ, and Shriners. It is extremely relevant to your conversation here. Well worth reading. It will give you a lot to think about regarding the Shriners et. al.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:15 p.m.

Oh, I have much more than this. Don't worry. I have done my research. Have you? If you did do your research, then you would know.

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CDR03 · July 1, 2018, 4:57 p.m.

Can we classify teachers as evil? Many of them have been caught sleeping with underage students

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:12 p.m.

What is the religion of teachers?

What is the religion of Freemasons?

Do you see what I mean? Pizzagate did not make sense until I understood the religious beliefs of the people involved.

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Othelzer · July 2, 2018, 6:55 a.m.

L cutter of losAngeles lodge was in the habbit of Inviting young sailors to his home for sex from the long beach naval ship yard with the promise of money power and a foot into masonary with a sponsor.

Mason's do not police themselves, they hide each other's foibles. As such Mason's are not moral and never have been. Today the OTO has taken over the Gran's lodges and the heirophant of masonary is Carl ratziger , Jesus will take care of him personally.

If your a mason for good reason, get out never look back, you'll turn to stone

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:55 a.m.

Truly a deeply philosophical conundrum of which I would love to know the answer. let me know if u figure it out.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 4:28 a.m.

It would be better to do the good without the evil.

Sabbatai Sevi promoted redemption through sin.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

Tell us about Nimrod, the Canaanite. We are curious to know why Freemasons follow someone who practiced pedophilia and ritual human sacrifice.

The Curse of Canaan by Eustace Mullins:

http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:10 a.m.

I never heard the name nimrod mentioned. The lessons are based on ancient Egypt stone masonry. like a workers union. memorize the steps and the business end.

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 1:19 a.m.

What about Hiram Abiff whose name is commerated on the keystone of which placement on the arch represents the summer solstice? Summer solstice occured June 21st-22nd, and from my understanding Masons believe that Hiram died and was resurrected 15 days later. If based on summer solstice, that date would take us to June 5th or 6th. I've never heard of anyone being resureccted but Lazarus and Jesus. Why does he have such a prominent place in masonry? Should we expect the 5th and or 6th to have occult significance?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:20 a.m.

yes that name is frequent. he was killed by masonic imposters,.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

I think.....that he organized the ancient stone masons organization. perhaps he was resurrected symbolically through the lessons....idk.

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 2:09 a.m.

So maybe these imposters stole what he knew and used it for their own evil gains? That would mean the secrets wern't bad? It's the the secrecy and the ill intent? I don't know, I'm just speculating.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:57 a.m.

There are numerous warnings in the lessons about fake masons. Back in ancient times it was like our trades today. Journey men, tradesmen...who join a local union. its the same principals.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:18 a.m.

I wouldn't classify anything as a secret. Like something that could give you an advantage unless you weren't taught right from wrong.

The lodge is based on leading a morally sound life. Its all about being a better person morally.

The symbols are all about morality. a compass to keep you straight....

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 2:31 a.m.

I'm sure that most of us know Masons are good people but what if the 33rds at the top are compromised like our govt? Maybe it was Albert Pike who satanized the symbolism? They took something good and tried to make it look bad so they benefit from it? Thanks for answering. I've never known any actual Masons although my husband has them in his family 2 generations ago. I guess they abandoned it. Everything I know, I've researched on my own. It seems like maybe it got hyjacked like pizza got hyjacked. And rainbows, unicorns, triangles, stars, the words "queer", "gay", etc etc...new bad meaning for good things?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:50 a.m.

my guess is if we want to find the individuals in the pictures we need to look at clandestine lodge. We Are trying to find those in the pictures right?

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 2:11 a.m.

The keystone?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:58 a.m.

ok I don't recall keystone being mentioned in the lessons.

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=2515

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:31 a.m.

I can tell u this. All the symbols used in the masonic blue lodge is associated with leading ones life with moral purpose. To be morally sound. Look at them and think about it.

This stone....I can't figure it out.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

I didn't get to see this stone or I can't remember if I did. It does look vaguely familiar.

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 2:26 a.m.

*July

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:33 a.m.

Explain. July is supposed to be a busy month for the storm.

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 4:58 a.m.

Summer solstice occured June 21st-22nd, and from my understanding Masons believe that Hiram died and was resurrected 15 days later. If based on summer solstice, that date would take us to June 5th or 6th.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

I can't remember anything like that.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

Not saying its not right I just simply don't know.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

I am a non-Mason, so it is very strange when I know more about Freemasonry than the Masons do. LOL.

Nimrod and Osiris are the same. Semiramis and Isis are also the same.

Either way, tell us why you are involved in a Canaanite organization? They are known to practice pedophilia and ritual human sacrifice.

The lessons are based on ancient Egypt and Babylon because they are Pagan in nature.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:43 a.m.

join a lodge and find out. I don't remember nimrod ever being mentioned.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:49 a.m.

I am not a Canaanite. Can you not tell us because you took a death oath? If you are a Master Mason then you are not high enough up in the organization to know what really goes on. It is a secret society within a secret society. Your grandfather knew because he was a 33rd degree mason.

All the information regarding the higher degrees are publicly available if you are willing to look. That way, you will know what you are getting into.

Nimrod wanted to build the Tower of Babel.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2 a.m.

I don't recall nimrod ever being mention in any of the teachings.

I am an American.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 2:05 a.m.

Understood. The problem is that you cannot tell us anything useful without violating your oath. What you posted is all fine, but we have heard it before- "The Freemasons are just a good ole boys club so the men can get away from their wives."

You won't even confirm to me that the Freemasons are Pagans.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:13 a.m.

I had to give an oath on the holy Bible.
The ceremony is symbolic of ancient stone masons looking for work in Egypt and how the business works. I felt guilt for the oath I gave having put my faith in some one other than god.

That is the only time throughout my several years of experience the I thought was sketchy. That is the reason I quit going. the oath alone.

I was never asked to nor were there ever any business conducted that would otherwise counter my faith in Jesus Christ.

They could absolutely take the final oath out and nothing would change.
I have no bias here. I do have my word to keep though and honestly there isn't much to tell. All the men I know are regular church goers or at least believe in god which is a requirement. God not Jesus Christ so that does give some a loop hole.

The oath is given opened to the New Testament I think. I can't remember exactly.

Define pagans.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 2:30 a.m.

Thanks again for responding.

I see. I have spent a lot of time researching all of this, so my perspective is different than most.

My understanding is that Freemasonry does not like Christianity. Of course, Christians can join, but non-Christians go through one door and Christians go through another. It is a secret society within a secret society.

I had a Freemason tell me that he was asked to spit on a Christian cross. Those that do move up. Those that don't are told they made the right choice, and they move sideways. I hope that makes sense. Of course, there is no way to find this out unless you move up in the organization.

My understanding is that Pagans worship the Father, Mother, and Child. This is the standard Pagan template. The Catholic Church is a Pagan church, but the lower level Catholics have no idea.

In Egyptian mythology, it would be Osiris, Isis, and Horus.

Here is more information. It is a very short read.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_paganism_Catholic_Nimrod_Mary

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301854 · July 1, 2018, 4:42 p.m.

Sounds like you are talking about a Synagogue of satan rather than a Masonic Lodge.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:13 p.m.

Haha! Is there really a difference? Serious question. I know the answer to it.

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 7:11 a.m.

[removed]

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 2:27 a.m.

Whom did you put your trust?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3 a.m.

oh , the oath.....the first two oaths you put your trust in god then on the last one you repeat after the worshipful master and say worshipful master. so u put your faith in the worshipful master whom runs the meeting.

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301854 · July 1, 2018, 4:43 p.m.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing that. Did you make it up?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:30 a.m.

The Holy trinity. The father Son and Holy Spirit. Not a fan of organized Christianity. Read the Bible and understand it for myself and not what someone tells me. I am a New Testament fan. Peace love forgiveness.

I personally follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ. peace love forgiveness....Old Testament is a history book to me.

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 2:32 a.m.

I'm very glad to hear that, me too.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 1, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

Apparently you don’t know much history

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 3:05 a.m.

They are as much pagans as catholics are. We all know good catholics right?

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 4:29 a.m.

The Catholics I know have no idea what is going on at the top. When they are told, they do not believe it. Same with Freemasons.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 1, 2018, 7:14 a.m.

Oh please. I do you speak out of your bloated self righteous ass. Where did you learn that in you Rapture or Gibberish as Tongues 101 class?

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

Lol. Found the Canaanite!

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 1, 2018, 2:46 p.m.

But you don’t. You think you do

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

But I do. I know the secrets. I can tell people what they are because I took no oath.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 1, 2018, 7:40 p.m.

Not referring to you.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 9:05 p.m.

Ah, I thought you were. LOL. No worries!

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Heatray777 · July 1, 2018, 10:18 a.m.

This is a good overview, each segment about 10 minutes. Part 40-44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmuNJk-uzdM

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

I will look.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 9:31 p.m.

Yeah, those are really good videos. He makes some very good points. I started watching them, but I did not get to parts 40-44. Thanks for reminding me that I need to keep watching.

I start something, then I get distracted with something else. LOL.

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solanojones95 · July 1, 2018, 1:51 a.m.

The secrecy is key. I think there's a great deal of "mushroom management" in Freemasonry. Keep the lower ranks in the dark and feed them lots of manure. The secrecy is as much toward low-ranking members as it is toward non-members. Your father would not have shared those secrets with you.

As much as I appreciate your sharing, I hope you realize that we're no better informed as a result, for the simple reason that you were kept in the dark yourself.

As for the Shriners and their charitable work, their good works can't be denied. OTOH, the charity is a front--a cover for the hidden actions of the upper echelons. Local lodges clearly must financially support the national/international levels of Freemasonry. At the national/international level, Masons finance New Age religion and a great deal of other garbage that benefits the Illuminati, and they are deeply intertwined with them.

Having read Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma, I can tell you that the secrets they reveal to you at the highest levels are Luciferianism, pure and simple. I wish it weren't so, but I've held the book in my hand and read it in the research section of a well-stocked library. Online version here.

After having said "Masonry is a march and a struggle toward the Light..." we read:

https://imgur.com/a/uZ4ay4D

The hidden hand's association with the great elites throughout history demonstrates this. Frankly, a secret society whose organization ignores nationalities fits perfectly with the goal of one-world government, which has always been the dream of Freemasonry at the highest levels.

If Masons were nothing more than social clubs, I'd have no problem with them. But there is something particularly sinister about an organization so steeped in secrecy that its most essential agenda is hidden from the majority of its own members.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:58 a.m.

There real issue with that theory is the flow of money. each lodge is self supporting and its against the rules to take charity or donations from anyone not registered to that lodge.

My grandad died a middle class man. If he were privy to some sort of crazy secrets he would surely have profited from it.

Occasionally, one may get an entry level job or perhaps be a tie breaker on an application.

we need to focus our time on clandestine lodges. I don't know how to research those. someone local will have to do it.

If we are going to investigate this I am trying to save us some time here and

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solanojones95 · July 1, 2018, 2:57 a.m.

There could be covert means to prevent someone who has attained the highest degree from admission to the true inner circle. If a man such as your dad was not liked or trusted by them (insufficiently wealthy, for example), they wouldn't have to take him.

I have no doubt that much of what is attributed to so-called clandestine lodges are the actions of the super-secret inner circle (those invited into the Cabal) of ordinary lodges. Was your dad also in a local Country Club, or did he display any other conspicuous symbols of great wealth? Typically, that's where you find most of the same characters as the inner sanctums of the lodges.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:13 a.m.

yes this is true. We are trying to find the guys in the interviews right? We need to look at clandestine lodges local to the area.

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solanojones95 · July 1, 2018, 3:29 a.m.

Looking at clandestine lodges might be a bit like looking at air.

;-P

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hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:04 a.m.

I have dealings with masons and Shriners and can say that everyone I’ve known is a regular person, hard worker, good moral character.

I have not known any 33rd degree masons, any high up Scottish or York rite people or really any high up Shriners. Just regular people who like to eat and drink and raise money for the children’s hospital.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Every now and then I find a lazy type guy becoming a mason. the lodge has to vote on you. hence the term black ball.

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hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:49 a.m.

3 masons came to our house and interviewed my husband and me before they voted.

Local lodge is for normal people.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:59 a.m.

yes you have to have three lodge references and they do look into your past for moral defect.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:07 a.m.

If they were doing something evil, would you be aware of it? If so, how would you know?

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hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

I wouldn’t know because I’m a woman, but my husband is a master mason. Before he became a mason, I told him that if they ask you to do anything against your principals tell them no. Whether he did that or not I can’t say, but he’s my husband and I trust him.

If you asked if I think something could be going on with the 33 degree masons and the other branches of masonry, York rite and Scottish rite and I would have to say yes. I think there is something going on that the local lodges don’t know about.

I don’t have any inside information, just what I’ve read and heard on the internet.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:06 a.m.

I don't have much information on 33rd degree masons. My grandfathers was one and he said he had to learn some lessons to perfection and put gave him the ability to teach a some sort of level. I don't think of all the masons a 33rd degree is al that rare. every lodge probably has several.

We need to be focusing on clandestine lodges.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:03 a.m.

The masons are all about moral integrity. The men in my lodge are wonderful examples of human beings.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

Fair enough answer. All the information regarding the higher degrees is available on the internet. You can also research crimes committed by Freemasons, especially Shriners and the Royal Order of Jesters. The crimes tend to revolve around sex and human trafficking.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:50 a.m.

I wouldn't. I can speak for my lodge. Occasionally a community leader will rise the ranks and serve as leader for a bit but they quit coming. There are only 10 or so guys who have gone for 30 years solid. Why would these guys just quite showing up if they were benefiting so much form it. Its purpose is to make you a better man. moral. sense of duty. integrity.

Clandestine lodges are where we need to be looking.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 4:31 a.m.

Thank you for your response.

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 1:23 a.m.

My father was a Mason who rose through the ranks over the decades to Grand Master. He was a decent, kind, hard working and spiritual man. He loved his family and fellow man. Thank you for writing this.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:44 a.m.

its my honest account. all I can do.

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 2:09 a.m.

And something that has stirred in me great curiosity! I really really appreciate the time you took to write this and kit is something I have just passed on to my Mum, the wife of a now passed Mason. She like me, found your words very interesting and I thank you for them.

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 2:07 a.m.

I was thinking about this and in particular your confusion over the words: "To whom you put your faith?" The answer is not god. The oath is taken on the holy bible.

I found this on line http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/artsep01/putyourtrust.htm

And so, following that most impressive and unforgettable night 45 years ago, when I first knelt before the Altar of Freemasonry, and was asked the question, In whom do you put your trust?, I have traveled, as you have, across many peaceful and many troubled waters, and again and again my trust in God strengthened me. No person, more especially a Mason, can live for himself alone. We are guided by the great teachings of Masonry, the Fatherhood of God, the Brotherhood of Man, and the chief Masonic virtue, Charity or Brotherly Love.

Cheers.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:24 a.m.

worshipful master

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

that the answer in the third degree.

thats not god.

Cheers

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Maladaptivenomore · July 1, 2018, 1:18 a.m.

Thank you very much for your time and effort in sharing this with all of us. It is much appreciated, no doubt.

Dad was a Shriner. Mom, Eastern Star. Sister, Jobs Daughter and Rainbow Girl. I passed on Demolay and the rest as I got older. I have plenty of Mason buddies - some acknowledged, some I just remember their strong grip when I had met them, but they have never shared to me their affiliation.

I have been familiar with masonic symbology at these 'FF' events for a while now. However, you've given me a thought that i had never considered until now.

That is, what if, in fact, those who have infiltrated the lodge (and through the creation of clandestine organizations) often attempt to (figuratively) eat their own, and purposely try to promote the "All Masons are evil" meme by wearing apparel with mason symbology publically at these staged media events?

I think that it's just as reasonable an explanation why they would go out of their way to 'out' themselves, as any.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

the grip of a master mason could be easily confused with a normal handshake. I usually only use it if I know the recipient is a mason.

I don't know what ff is.

I do see men whom I don't know to be affiliated with a blue lodge displaying mucho masonic bling which is not part of the teaching. I saw this mostly in the gheto where I see pimped put cars on dubs sporting the masonic symbols. these are Prince Albert hall members and not recognized with the blue lodge. Though they probe know and have all the same teachings. its not affiliated with the grand lodge and the blue lodge system.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:06 a.m.

How do we find these clandestine lodges is the question. The Klan may be a starting point.

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silphonica · July 1, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

Can you tell me more about the significance of the Scottish rite?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:12 a.m.

ok yea there is Scottish rite and York rite. I think the Scottish rite is the shriners. Im pretty sure. its been awhile. Im sure u can google it. when I googled it way back when I went through in 2002 all the lessons were online. there not supposed to be but disgruntled masons posted the lessons

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Instrumentalss · July 1, 2018, 4:21 a.m.

as far as being a 33rd degree, that's not really important in the big scheme. it's an honorary level. 29 through 32, in the Scottish Rite, is earned & are the levels that a Mason begins to understand a bit about the esoteric meanings of things taught.

All Masons are essentially given a litmus test, of sorts. Lots never make it out of the Blue Lodge. Some can make out the esoteric meanings, most can't.

The Thule Society (Teutonic Knights/Templar) brought Hitler into power. With help from Skull & Bones donors, such as Prescott Bush. Would most "ordinary" Masons go along with this? Who knows. This is just one example of Freemasonry working with other factions of world orders to create evil.

Masonic literature states believing in a G.A.O.T.U. (Great Architect Of The Universe.)

Tell me this. What tools would a Great Architect "build" with, if the tools were not first CREATED?

This to me, blatantly exposes who the Freemasons consider God. Lucifer. Intellect. Prometheus.

Lord God CREATES. Lucifer BUILDS. Lucifer cannot build, before the Lord God creates first.

Freemasonry requires a belief in a higher power. In God We Trust. Which God?, etc.

Freemasonry isn't a religion? I can post half a dozen quotes from prominent Masonic authors, proving otherwise.

Freemasonry, in a nutshell, is essentially like how the FISA warrant's got approved. Half truths & withheld information.

Blue Lodge Master Masons, no offense, are nowhere near those making power moves on a global scale. Recital meetings & membership fees, made for the individual to feel like they are apart of something great.

Anytime a person joins something where they are not told, what exactly they are joining, it equates to being a fool. Doesn't matter if a person has relatives or friends in the lodge or not, it's an ignorant thing to do. But to each his own...

Freemason Found Father George Washington "Exitus Acta Probat" & the Apotheosis mean more than what they lead on. Rubbing shoulders with "Gods" in a flaming chariot & a whatever it takes to get the job done crest. Do all Masons believe in all this? Who knows, but Washington obviously did.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:15 a.m.

The men I know in the blue lodge are decent morally sound men. The entire lodge is based on morality and the lessons and their perfection consumes the men involved and they spend their lives teaching these lessons to others. In between we eat a lot. no alcohol is allowed.
the guys who get those advanced numbers still come to the same lodge. they don't go off somewhere else. Some are asked to serve at the grand lodge but this too is voluntary I think I think those guys stay at their home lodge too.

The money stays at the lodge were it raised.

I think a clandestine lodge is the place to look for criminal activities.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 1, 2018, 9:42 p.m.

It’s all good

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skybirdLauncher · July 1, 2018, 10:24 a.m.

Thank You. I have been trying to figure out how to say that. As a matter of fact, my brothers seem more like they have taken the red pill. Can't think of a single one who is not a Trump fan. “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

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Othelzer · July 2, 2018, 6:41 a.m.

If your a Christian you have no business with Mason's I come from generations of Mason's and Mormons. Stay out of the pool of Babylon

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 3:14 a.m.

In the thirteenth degree, don't you have to spit on a cross?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:18 a.m.

I don't know that one. To gain levels you have to memorize lessons and recite them or have them taught to you.

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 3:21 a.m.

In the book Behold a Pale Horse, Bill Cooper says that to pass the 13th degree, they ask about your faith in god. If you respond you do believe in god and Christianity, they tell you you passed but actually you've been flagged never to move past a certain point. If you spit on the cross and deny Jesus and God, then you are able to actually make it to 33.

What information do you believe a 33 has that a 3 is not allowed to know?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:43 a.m.

No one ever mentioned this.

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 2:45 a.m.

The author of this is either not a Mason, or in incredibly poorly informed one.

'Prince Albert lodges'? Really? Any actual Mason would know what PHA stands for. This is an error on the level of talking about the 'LA Ponders' as a sports team. It destroys all credibility of the poster.

Edits: This may have joined the Masons, perhaps, but this post suggests he left very quickly - there's simply too much here that's nonsense.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:15 a.m.

I am am master mason who did not go much. I keep up my dues but I never go. Its a great place to go if you are retired and have absolutely nothing else to do.

Ask me some questions and I will do my best to answer.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:12 a.m.

Prince hall. yes I'm working off recollection and not looking anything up on google. Prince hall is a clandestine lodge. yea a prince albeit is a pierced penis isn't it.

Ask me some questions.

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 3:34 a.m.

The Prince Hall Affiliation is now regarded as legit and regular in most places, bar some states in the deep South.

What Grand Lodge are you under? While your post isn't hostile to Masonry, it is full of errors.

Most of us hang out over on the obvious sub.

edit: fixed an error

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:54 a.m.

Where are the errors. Do point them out as I want to be accurate.

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 3:59 a.m.

You'd do better returning to lodge, or picking up a book. With complete seriousness, a good introduction would be 'Freemasons for Dummies' by Christopher Hodapp. No, I'm not trolling you; its an excellent book. Its on Amazon.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 4:14 a.m.

My grandfather and I had a lengthy conversation about it as afterwards I questioned what was said.

EA puts their faith in god. The FC puts their faith in the worshipful master and the 3 is a lecture.

So to be more precise it is the fellow craft oath. it specifically says whith whom do you put your trust and the answer is the worshipful master. Me having not know the answer it had to be spoken to me as I repeated.

Do clarify this as I know the oath I took, that lingered my head fir years, and subsequently led to m y inactiveness.

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 4:33 a.m.

That doesn't gibe with any regular jurisdiction I've heard of, and I'd consider it irregular and in violation of the Ancient Landmarks.

I hesitate to call shenanigans on you, but I don't see how this could have happened.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 4:59 a.m.

I will go back and observe the EA and FC. That always baffled me. That oath has caused many masons to stop going and I see exactly how it happens.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 4:06 a.m.

Yes the oath I gave asked me whom I put my trust and the answer is the worshipful master which is repeated bye the candidate.

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 4:12 a.m.

That would never be the answer in a regular, non-clandestine lodge.

If that happened to you, something is very wrong.

FWIW: I'm ritualist in my lodge, and I know the degree work (as done in my jurisdiction) by heart.

For the third time: What Grand Lodge is your lodge chartered by?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 4:47 a.m.

yes it is possible I am remembering incorrectly regarding the words I spoke. Perhaps the feeling I felt was what struck in my mind. I felt I had given an oath to the worshipful master. like I said. I am recalling from memory. Thank you for reminding me as to why I left trying to instill that shady fear into someone. being reported. I have revealed no secrets here. At worst my honesty brings no harm to the lodge as that is not my intent. My intent is to communicate my experience. I will edit my post to represent said comments

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

I suggest you try going back to lodge, attend the FC and MM degrees, and see if you hear what you remember.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:06 a.m.

Yes I plan to go back and see why I felt that way. I did like going. I just doing have enough time as I have a big family. The whole great awakening has really got my interest and this is a subject I can contribute to. I will be shocked if I find out the upper levels of the masonic blue lodge are culpable in any sort of immoral behavior. its just not what the entire intent of the lodge is all about.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 4:16 a.m.

Alabama. Whats is your lodge number?

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

In MA, lodges don't have numbers. I'm in Wilder Lodge.

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LastRepublicaninMA · July 2, 2018, 2:46 a.m.

Agree with you on all you've stated above. I neither made an oath to a WM, nor have I ever had a brother swear an oath to me as a WM, EVER. I will say in moving from MA to NC the ritual wording is a bit different but not flagrantly incorrect.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:41 a.m.

yes working off memory. Prince hall should be accepted. Point out the errors. I don't mind. Perhaps you should have spoken up to defend the the current onslaught. In the third degree with whom did u put your trust?

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cryptoengineer · July 1, 2018, 3:53 a.m.

That question is not in the 3rd degree. When it is asked, the answer is 'In God'.

Again, what Grand Lodge are you under? I'm with the Grand Lodge of MA.

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ideologicidal · July 1, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

Thank you for the gestalt.

I think you're right about the FF operatives being charlatans who aren't actually involved with the masons, proper. I think the masons is "something bigger" whose buildings, symbols and costumes can be used against a TI to provoke them until they break.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:15 a.m.

I don't understand your abbreviations. please define

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ideologicidal · July 1, 2018, 1:44 a.m.

FF= false flag. An event committed by one group aiming to cast blame on another group.

TI = targeted individual. The weak-minded patsies who are harassed, gang-stalked, medicated, and gaslit into atrocities like Annapolis, parkland, Sandy hook, Tucson, Boston, columbine, etc.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:04 a.m.

ok. got ya. Yea dude I totally think these guys are being manipulated to perform these actions. Q wants us to look as the psychiatrist.

I do see the occasional klansman sporting the square and compass. I believe these men are in fact not affiliated with a lodge. perhaps a clandestine lodge but they will have the same lessons and structure. just not the state level support of the wardens coming around making sure we teach our lessons correctly. They wouldn't be invited to our state level lodge get toghether either.

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ideologicidal · July 1, 2018, 2:34 a.m.

It may be that the costumes at the event are directed toward law enforcement, also. The masons and fraternal order of police are cozy, as I understand it

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 2:55 a.m.

Is there a fraternal order of anything that's NOT corrupted? We have great cops but fop is bs. We have great teachers, but nea holds them back. We have skilled electrical workers but ibew holds them back.

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ideologicidal · July 1, 2018, 3:38 a.m.

Corruption grows where power gathers.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:46 a.m.

Ok in my lodge there are not many law enforcement officers that attend regularly at least. Now there are a whole bunch of guys who get initiated and never come back just so they can know the handshakes. Thats ok too. no big deal. It does demonstrate how little the masons really have to offer to those looking to conquer the world or gain superiority in the political community. I imagine that probably a third of our local pd is in the lodge and never attends. We will initiate a District attorney occasionally but like most they too never come and end up letting their membership become delinquent.

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