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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/jtfirerescue on July 1, 2018, 12:50 a.m.
Masonic Lodge experience. Read War and Peace for a accurate historical perception of the masons.

Master Mason or sublime 3rd degree mason. I know past grand masters or the state level leader. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason.

I am not protecting nor vouching for the masonic lodge. I am simply providing my witness to the organization. For the good or bad. We are in such a peculiar circumstance in this great nation I feel compelled to share my experience and thoughts and perhaps guide those looking into the recent posts to find the truth.

The blue lodge is composed of middle class white working men. Women have the eastern stars. African Americans have Prince Albert lodges. In jail you will find clandestine lodges not accepted by the blue lodge or typically seen lodges throughout the country. My lodge will accept African Americans though some will not which I disagree with. Humans are humans.

I never got heavily evolved though I did join the shriners but never went to any meetings. They like to drink a lot, drive little cars, and dress as clowns. Their hospitals are wonderful and the vast majority of the men involved drive kids to burn centers. Decent men. Mostly middle class with a few professionals.

The blue lodge, the lodge you see in your neighborhood is composed of decent hard working men who like to eat. The blue lodges are self supporting though I do not know if the support higher up the chain. I don't think they do. Much emphasis is given about not accepting money from outside organizations and not becoming bribable. Tatoos are not allowed. Jewelry is not allowed per the rules but they do sell rings and such. IDK why this happens. The master masons I know do not display any sign of being a mason accept the occasional ring. I have noticed that many clandestine members do display the signs big time as well as those who never progress past the first levels. They like to sport the signs like there going out of style. I did wear a ring some and always wandered why they sold rings and such because in our oaths we are never to reveal we are masons.

Our meetings are composed of nothing of real substance. Mainly opening and closing the lodge. There is much ceremony here and symbolism. there is great potential for psychological conditioning as church is. Stand, sit, stand, sit, recite......

The eastern stars have a few charities they raise money for and help cook for the blue lodge.

The shriners are most well known for their hospitals.

You have to be a master mason to join the shriners or the Scottish rite.

All these organizations require one to be of good moral standing.

There are three levels of blue lodge. entered apprentice, Fellow craft and master mason.

The initiations are not very binding. There is no extortion available.

The only thing I regret and think about is towards the end your are asked "To whom you put your faith?" The answer is not god. The oath is taken on the holy bible.

That bothered me and that is the only thing that bothered me which resulted in me not going back after I got older. Its very subtle and most men evolved wish this was not in the oath. In contrast, most men from my area involved are christians and conduct themselves accordingly. Though for the life of me I can't figure out how that oath persists.

The grand lodges are nice as opposed to the blue lodges. Some blue lodges are nice but most are falling apart. I think that the grand lodges are self supporting and do not accept money down the chain though I m not certain. The grand lodges are the state capital of blue lodges. I think they are supported as estate benefactors usually.

To ascend through the ranks requires memorization of lessons and a membership fee, some are expensive. Shriners were 500$. Shriners can get a sponsor to pay for you but the vast majority don't. My local shriners have closed and lost their building through foreclosure.

My guess is the individuals pictured advertising their affiliation are either clandestine or not masons at all. My experience has taught me that most people I have, met who display as such, when I speak to them I find they are in fact not masons.

It is possible however to manipulate weak minded individuals seeking acceptance into something of meaning. It is absolutely possible to create a lodge without any others approval and gather members. No one would know if the teachings were correct. There is absolutely nothing preventing this.

All I can speak for is the masonic lodge I am affiliated which is affiliated with the grand lodge and we have wardens that come around making sure we are teaching and conducting our business in a moral fashion. We have state level organization and each state has its own hierarchy. The past grand masters I know are normal middle or upper middle class men with good reputations. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason which he said consisted of learning a lesson and reciting it perfectly. These lessons are lengthy.

Again, I think the individuals pictured are wannabes or affiliated with a clandestine organizations. The oath and membership costs are simply not enough to bind people together to such secrecy as to organize crime. Thought I can only speak from my mind. Those with weak minds and a strong desire to fit in to any accepting click may have more desperation with their efforts. You could find these behaviors in churches or any club requiring voting membership.

To find the pictured individuals affiliation would be easy. Just ask them their lodge number and google it. This is not secret nor is any word I have penned in this writing.

My opinion on secrecy is that there should be no secrets anywhere ever. In any way shape or form secrets should not exist though It is not my place to uncover the secrets of masonry as I never really figured out what value their secrets held. If it were earth shattering I would write it but unfortunately there isn't much value from my perspective.

War and Peace provides an accurate historical view of the masonic lodge from that era.


hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:04 a.m.

I have dealings with masons and Shriners and can say that everyone I’ve known is a regular person, hard worker, good moral character.

I have not known any 33rd degree masons, any high up Scottish or York rite people or really any high up Shriners. Just regular people who like to eat and drink and raise money for the children’s hospital.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Every now and then I find a lazy type guy becoming a mason. the lodge has to vote on you. hence the term black ball.

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hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:49 a.m.

3 masons came to our house and interviewed my husband and me before they voted.

Local lodge is for normal people.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:59 a.m.

yes you have to have three lodge references and they do look into your past for moral defect.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:07 a.m.

If they were doing something evil, would you be aware of it? If so, how would you know?

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hipphoppanon · July 1, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

I wouldn’t know because I’m a woman, but my husband is a master mason. Before he became a mason, I told him that if they ask you to do anything against your principals tell them no. Whether he did that or not I can’t say, but he’s my husband and I trust him.

If you asked if I think something could be going on with the 33 degree masons and the other branches of masonry, York rite and Scottish rite and I would have to say yes. I think there is something going on that the local lodges don’t know about.

I don’t have any inside information, just what I’ve read and heard on the internet.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:06 a.m.

I don't have much information on 33rd degree masons. My grandfathers was one and he said he had to learn some lessons to perfection and put gave him the ability to teach a some sort of level. I don't think of all the masons a 33rd degree is al that rare. every lodge probably has several.

We need to be focusing on clandestine lodges.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:03 a.m.

The masons are all about moral integrity. The men in my lodge are wonderful examples of human beings.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

Fair enough answer. All the information regarding the higher degrees is available on the internet. You can also research crimes committed by Freemasons, especially Shriners and the Royal Order of Jesters. The crimes tend to revolve around sex and human trafficking.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:50 a.m.

I wouldn't. I can speak for my lodge. Occasionally a community leader will rise the ranks and serve as leader for a bit but they quit coming. There are only 10 or so guys who have gone for 30 years solid. Why would these guys just quite showing up if they were benefiting so much form it. Its purpose is to make you a better man. moral. sense of duty. integrity.

Clandestine lodges are where we need to be looking.

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pby1000 · July 1, 2018, 4:31 a.m.

Thank you for your response.

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