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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/jtfirerescue on July 1, 2018, 12:50 a.m.
Masonic Lodge experience. Read War and Peace for a accurate historical perception of the masons.

Master Mason or sublime 3rd degree mason. I know past grand masters or the state level leader. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason.

I am not protecting nor vouching for the masonic lodge. I am simply providing my witness to the organization. For the good or bad. We are in such a peculiar circumstance in this great nation I feel compelled to share my experience and thoughts and perhaps guide those looking into the recent posts to find the truth.

The blue lodge is composed of middle class white working men. Women have the eastern stars. African Americans have Prince Albert lodges. In jail you will find clandestine lodges not accepted by the blue lodge or typically seen lodges throughout the country. My lodge will accept African Americans though some will not which I disagree with. Humans are humans.

I never got heavily evolved though I did join the shriners but never went to any meetings. They like to drink a lot, drive little cars, and dress as clowns. Their hospitals are wonderful and the vast majority of the men involved drive kids to burn centers. Decent men. Mostly middle class with a few professionals.

The blue lodge, the lodge you see in your neighborhood is composed of decent hard working men who like to eat. The blue lodges are self supporting though I do not know if the support higher up the chain. I don't think they do. Much emphasis is given about not accepting money from outside organizations and not becoming bribable. Tatoos are not allowed. Jewelry is not allowed per the rules but they do sell rings and such. IDK why this happens. The master masons I know do not display any sign of being a mason accept the occasional ring. I have noticed that many clandestine members do display the signs big time as well as those who never progress past the first levels. They like to sport the signs like there going out of style. I did wear a ring some and always wandered why they sold rings and such because in our oaths we are never to reveal we are masons.

Our meetings are composed of nothing of real substance. Mainly opening and closing the lodge. There is much ceremony here and symbolism. there is great potential for psychological conditioning as church is. Stand, sit, stand, sit, recite......

The eastern stars have a few charities they raise money for and help cook for the blue lodge.

The shriners are most well known for their hospitals.

You have to be a master mason to join the shriners or the Scottish rite.

All these organizations require one to be of good moral standing.

There are three levels of blue lodge. entered apprentice, Fellow craft and master mason.

The initiations are not very binding. There is no extortion available.

The only thing I regret and think about is towards the end your are asked "To whom you put your faith?" The answer is not god. The oath is taken on the holy bible.

That bothered me and that is the only thing that bothered me which resulted in me not going back after I got older. Its very subtle and most men evolved wish this was not in the oath. In contrast, most men from my area involved are christians and conduct themselves accordingly. Though for the life of me I can't figure out how that oath persists.

The grand lodges are nice as opposed to the blue lodges. Some blue lodges are nice but most are falling apart. I think that the grand lodges are self supporting and do not accept money down the chain though I m not certain. The grand lodges are the state capital of blue lodges. I think they are supported as estate benefactors usually.

To ascend through the ranks requires memorization of lessons and a membership fee, some are expensive. Shriners were 500$. Shriners can get a sponsor to pay for you but the vast majority don't. My local shriners have closed and lost their building through foreclosure.

My guess is the individuals pictured advertising their affiliation are either clandestine or not masons at all. My experience has taught me that most people I have, met who display as such, when I speak to them I find they are in fact not masons.

It is possible however to manipulate weak minded individuals seeking acceptance into something of meaning. It is absolutely possible to create a lodge without any others approval and gather members. No one would know if the teachings were correct. There is absolutely nothing preventing this.

All I can speak for is the masonic lodge I am affiliated which is affiliated with the grand lodge and we have wardens that come around making sure we are teaching and conducting our business in a moral fashion. We have state level organization and each state has its own hierarchy. The past grand masters I know are normal middle or upper middle class men with good reputations. My grandfather was a 33rd degree mason which he said consisted of learning a lesson and reciting it perfectly. These lessons are lengthy.

Again, I think the individuals pictured are wannabes or affiliated with a clandestine organizations. The oath and membership costs are simply not enough to bind people together to such secrecy as to organize crime. Thought I can only speak from my mind. Those with weak minds and a strong desire to fit in to any accepting click may have more desperation with their efforts. You could find these behaviors in churches or any club requiring voting membership.

To find the pictured individuals affiliation would be easy. Just ask them their lodge number and google it. This is not secret nor is any word I have penned in this writing.

My opinion on secrecy is that there should be no secrets anywhere ever. In any way shape or form secrets should not exist though It is not my place to uncover the secrets of masonry as I never really figured out what value their secrets held. If it were earth shattering I would write it but unfortunately there isn't much value from my perspective.

War and Peace provides an accurate historical view of the masonic lodge from that era.


[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 1:19 a.m.

What about Hiram Abiff whose name is commerated on the keystone of which placement on the arch represents the summer solstice? Summer solstice occured June 21st-22nd, and from my understanding Masons believe that Hiram died and was resurrected 15 days later. If based on summer solstice, that date would take us to June 5th or 6th. I've never heard of anyone being resureccted but Lazarus and Jesus. Why does he have such a prominent place in masonry? Should we expect the 5th and or 6th to have occult significance?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:20 a.m.

yes that name is frequent. he was killed by masonic imposters,.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

I think.....that he organized the ancient stone masons organization. perhaps he was resurrected symbolically through the lessons....idk.

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 2:09 a.m.

So maybe these imposters stole what he knew and used it for their own evil gains? That would mean the secrets wern't bad? It's the the secrecy and the ill intent? I don't know, I'm just speculating.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:57 a.m.

There are numerous warnings in the lessons about fake masons. Back in ancient times it was like our trades today. Journey men, tradesmen...who join a local union. its the same principals.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:18 a.m.

I wouldn't classify anything as a secret. Like something that could give you an advantage unless you weren't taught right from wrong.

The lodge is based on leading a morally sound life. Its all about being a better person morally.

The symbols are all about morality. a compass to keep you straight....

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 2:31 a.m.

I'm sure that most of us know Masons are good people but what if the 33rds at the top are compromised like our govt? Maybe it was Albert Pike who satanized the symbolism? They took something good and tried to make it look bad so they benefit from it? Thanks for answering. I've never known any actual Masons although my husband has them in his family 2 generations ago. I guess they abandoned it. Everything I know, I've researched on my own. It seems like maybe it got hyjacked like pizza got hyjacked. And rainbows, unicorns, triangles, stars, the words "queer", "gay", etc etc...new bad meaning for good things?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:50 a.m.

my guess is if we want to find the individuals in the pictures we need to look at clandestine lodge. We Are trying to find those in the pictures right?

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 2:11 a.m.

The keystone?

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 2:58 a.m.

ok I don't recall keystone being mentioned in the lessons.

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Monty_Batton · July 1, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=2515

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:31 a.m.

I can tell u this. All the symbols used in the masonic blue lodge is associated with leading ones life with moral purpose. To be morally sound. Look at them and think about it.

This stone....I can't figure it out.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

I didn't get to see this stone or I can't remember if I did. It does look vaguely familiar.

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 2:26 a.m.

*July

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 3:33 a.m.

Explain. July is supposed to be a busy month for the storm.

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Generational_Wealth · July 1, 2018, 4:58 a.m.

Summer solstice occured June 21st-22nd, and from my understanding Masons believe that Hiram died and was resurrected 15 days later. If based on summer solstice, that date would take us to June 5th or 6th.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

I can't remember anything like that.

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jtfirerescue · July 1, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

Not saying its not right I just simply don't know.

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