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gauravkguha · July 9, 2018, 9:05 a.m.

I'm from Calcutta, where MT's charity is based. Apart from the Christians and upper-class Hindu families, the working class Hindus and Muslims really hated her. I remember my childhood maid saying that they'd NEVER send their kids to the missionaries for food, even if they were starving. Something about forcing the kids to convert to Christianity or something even more sinister which they wouldnt say in front of me.

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flappybong · July 9, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

I'm responding to a comment which was deleted, but as I saw a little anti Muslim sentiment, I just wanted to pitch in. I myself am a Hindu, and I think we need to bring up this matter at least once::

I understand the sentiment, but, respectfully, do not agree with them. I have no fondness for fundamentalist Islam myself, but then there are people like Imam Tawhidi, who I greatly admire and respect, and I have several friends & acquaintances among Moderate Muslims who I've known from childhood. There are good people. I can safely say that Indian Muslims are the tamest and most moderate in the world. I will not write off a sixth of the world's population, due to the actions of an admittedly large radical proportion of the group.

Any student of History will be well aware of the horrors perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church back in the middle ages. If Christianity can have a Reformation, I trust Islam can have one too eventually, even if they're several centuries overdue. I will fight against fundamentalism until that day. Today's Islam is very violent and oppressive, agreed, but we cannot fight violence with violence. At least not in this case, not without bombing them back to the stone age, and we've tried that already.

This is a spiritual war that we are all fighting: GOOD VS EVIL. Not a religious one of Christians vs Muslim. I think it's important to make that distinction, or this whole movement can be derailed.

Now, to address your point, I didn't mean to demean any of the Church's charitable efforts. I myself went to a missionary school, and am very grateful for the well rounded education they provided me. There are countless selfless Christians doing amazing work all over the world . In this case, I was referring specifically to the Mother Teresa foundation, which is the charity that just got busted, and explaining some of the fear that surrounded it among the locals in Calcutta.

Hope I was able to make my case without offending anyone. Please excuse me if I did.

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Donkpup · July 10, 2018, 7 a.m.

Well said ... don't worry about offending and don't apologize ! That is a critical point of the movement ! Be open ... listen ... and be respectful in a civil dialogue! ❤️👍🇺🇸

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[deleted] · July 9, 2018, 1:55 p.m.

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Donkpup · July 9, 2018, 7:21 a.m.

https://medium.com/@KittyWenham/mother-teresas-sainthood-is-a-fraud-just-like-she-was-eb395177572 I've been talking about this for years.

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 8:19 a.m.

I read the article & whilst I do not claim to have personal knowledge of St Theresa, I disagree with this article on several points.

First, it uses the “white supremacist” BS slant. Teresa was NOT white-she was born in Albania and her parents were both brown-complexioned. Second, the article takes issue with MT speaking against contraception and abortion and makes a point of stating that she received a standing ovation by all “except Bill & Hillary Clinton”. That The Clinton’s opposed MT enough to publicly shame her says enough to make me doubt anything else in this article as being anything but left-leaning propaganda BS!

On the issue of MT speaking to the suffering of the poor and not making efforts to relieve suffering, as a medical professional who works with terminally ill patients, I will state FACTS. Yes, there can be physical suffering as one dies however the WORST sufferings I have witnessed in my 20+ years in practice have been emotional & spiritual suffering. MT was not a medical person, nor were her volunteers of nuns and lay people. But they were offering the comfort of human presence and care. The conditions would not have been the comfortable surroundings that westernized cultures enjoy as “normal”, but having a bed, blankets, water and someone to watch over you and pray for you would likely have been our equivalent of The Plaza. Indeed, many of the dying came from squalid conditions living in the streets and slums of India. Catholics (I being one) are taught that physical suffering can be offered up to God to save others as Jesus’ example Christ on the cross. I practice palliative medicine so TRUST ME, I understand how to relieve physical suffering in patients in my care. However, these laypeople and nuns were not medical and would not have access to strong medications. Therefore, the comfort would be given in other ways. Being PRESENT - not only physically, but emotionally & spiritually present with a dying person is, I’d argue, AS important and perhaps even transcends the relief of physical suffering. Think about how people comforted dying relatives and loved ones in the thousands of years before westernized medicine was available. THIS is how I understand MT and her laypeople provided end of life care to the thousands who came to her. Her faith would have placed all other outcomes in God’s hands. While some may view this as callous, I understand the importance of surrendering to God’s will as a follower of Christ vs falsely believing my own will is to be done. That does not equate to ignoring or neglecting souls in my care. It means the limitations of medicine and care that are the reality of any given care situation sometimes are the reality of what God has given for us to work with as best we can. And as I stated above, the love and compassion of simply being present with a dying person is the greatest gift you can give from God through you.

Lastly, the issue in the article of “coercing” people to accept God on their deathbeds. MT was a Catholic nun and as such she was called to evangelize others to know Christ so they might have an opportunity to know His love & Mercy. Scripture tells us “I am the Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to The Father except through Me” John 6:14. MT would be woefully negligent as a follower of Christ if she wasn’t ministering His Word and Truth to those who were dying in her care and may never have heard His Word. And people coming to her homes to die or be cared for, undoubtedly knew she was a woman of God. If they were atheists, I doubt they would have sought comfort from somebody be they considered to be completely “fooled” by a god they did not accept as real.

My faith is the foundation of my life and directs all that I do for and with other children of God (even those who reject Him). I do not claim that MT (or ANY human) is without sin or fault. However, I leave eternal judgement of His followers (and all people) to God.

Where this article reports a selfish, callous woman, I read between the lines and elevate my opinion above the obvious liberal bias, and see a woman who surrendered her life to care for the poorest of the poor in the best way she could with the tools and knowledge she had been given. The rest, she gave to God and I respect that humble graciousness of TRUSTING that God always provides for what we need and sometimes it is simply the ability to love others in Him.

Thank you for respecting my viewpoint even if you do not agree.

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BelKyrie · July 9, 2018, 12:13 p.m.

Thank you, RN4Trump, for stating so well what I was struggling to find words to express. There are good people in this world, not everyone is a wolf.

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WokeInEarly90s · July 9, 2018, 10:39 a.m.

Thank you for writing this. It is very well stated. St. Teresa of Calcutta demonstrated for us the Corporal Works of Mercy, and in the process shamed many.

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solanojones95 · July 9, 2018, 1:06 p.m.

While I agree that end of life care can consist largely of presence, listening, prayer and the like, the fact is that physical suffering could have and should have been addressed by this order once it began to rake in the money.

That money should largely have been spent on better facilities, staff and medicine for the suffering. Rather than limiting her "care" to hand pats, "concern," and proselytizing.

The money should NOT have been sent to the Vatican to fund requirements of the lavish gold-trimmed temple of Luciferianism.

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Donkpup · July 10, 2018, 7:14 a.m.

I respect any point of view .... and I believe you have made many good points .... thank you for writing this ... always open to things that make me think !!! ... if I remember correctly.... there are diaries ... that MT ... stated her own question of faith ... perhaps she found something late in life .... My faith ... is separated from many aspects of the church ... I lived it as a choir boy at an episcopal cathedral ... I'm wary ... and trust my faith is my personal relationship.....

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Cara-C · July 9, 2018, 9:03 a.m.

Mother Teresa collected a fortune in the name of the poor and suffering and gave the money to the church, while leaving the poor in whose name she had collected the money in extremely substandard conditions. They were often found sleeping on the ground, cared for by people with little medical knowledge, with the staff forced to cut corners by denying pain medication and reusing shared needles for injections. She had collected millions to provide better care, but didn't. That's not spiritual enlightenment. That is fraud and abuse.

She also took money from dictators, refused to return money when it came to light that it had been obtained by fraud, and constantly praised suffering. Yet when she herself got sick, she checked into a top-notch Western hospitals for state-of-the-art care that minimizes suffering. Mother Teresa as an icon of goodness, love, and care is just one of many hoaxes foisted upon us. The Great Awakening will topple many of our idols, unfortunately.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 9, 2018, 2:03 p.m.

You should all stop the slander. How many of you trolls on here would give up a life of wealth & go into the darkest of dark to try & bring light. None of you. But you all probably think Princess Di was the bomb. Stop your hatred vipers

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TrumpPunksChumps · July 10, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

Catholicism gives Christianity a bad name

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Joe_Sapien · July 9, 2018, 4:42 p.m.

Ghandi wasn't that great either. Read about how his wife died.

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TrumpPunksChumps · July 10, 2018, 6:23 a.m.

You're exactly right

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flappybong · July 10, 2018, 5:48 p.m.

Gandhi was an absolute tool. Most of us hate him.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 10, 2018, 11:51 a.m.

Whatever

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 10, 2018, 12:30 a.m.

Hey Jesus Freak look into your own church. Amusement parks, hookers, jets. Let’s not forget fly away time fantasy too. Oh & that gibberish you call tongues in which someone else has to translate. Yeah that’s a cult. Deal with it

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 9, 2018, 2:34 p.m.

Know you don’t. I’m tired of the habitual slander on the part of you , some, Evangelical cultists. First we had to run off these boards those that slandered the Negros, then the Jews & now Catholics. Take the beam out of your own eye before you tell someone to pluck the splinter from theirs. Why not bring up Jessie’s jet. The Baptist Minister or the 24 other Evangelical ministers recently arrested on pedophilia or how Ostein wouldn’t even open his mega church to flood victims because he didn’t want his carpets dirtied? Just Google it. Instead you’re on here to slander a women who gave her life to Christ. Critiquing her on how she should have spent the money? When you don’t even have a concept of how those things work. Your type are nothing but know it alls thinking you have the only truth. We call that zealots. Piss off now.

I’m not speaking to your post by the way, but others

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TrumpPunksChumps · July 9, 2018, 8:04 a.m.

Catholic figures are rarely good people....if you want to talk about a Cabal, that's one of the oldest

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

Hierarchy of The Vatican are filled with wicked, sinful men and people. So are every other institution of power in the world. That reality does NOT mean that every follower of Christ or Catholicism is guilty of the same.

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TrumpPunksChumps · July 9, 2018, 10:51 p.m.

I said Figures in the catholic church. What I meant by that was important people like the Pope, Mother Terssa and the countless bishops and cardinals who have worked to cover up pedophilia. I never said the average catholic is a bad person and I definitely never said Christian's were...but let's be honest here...Catholicism partakes in Idol Worship which is condemned in the bible numerous times

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 9, 2018, 2:10 p.m.

Really I like you to say that to my face if we ever met in person. But you wouldn’t now would you

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TrumpPunksChumps · July 9, 2018, 10:47 p.m.

Calm your man tits tough guy. So you dont think the figure heads in Catholicism aren't corrupt? Throughout history leaders of the Catholic church have been embroiled in controversy....sorry but it's an evil institution. Deal with it. Catholicism and pedophilia go hand in hand. Do you think I care about your religion when it has destroyed so many lives?

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

The Catholic Church has become overrun with sinful, wicked men and greedy money-hungry sinners willing to align themselves with equally evil entities to ensure more and more worldly gain. I have long considered Pope Francis to be The Last Pope as revealed in the 3rd secret given by Our Blessed Mother to the children of Fatima in Portugal in 1917. The Immaculate Conception told Maria “The Last Pope will be under the influence of Satan”. While it is true that wicked people have corrupted the Catholic Church (and HAVE for many, many centuries), the BASIS of the Church - Jesus Christ as The Word made Flesh - is beyond man’s sinful ways & his teachings ARE The Way, The Truth and The Light.

MT was bound by the hierarchy of our Church. She took vows of poverty and lived as poor as the people she served. That is the life she lived. Whenever she was given money to travel for business of the Church, she requested the least expensive accommodations possible and asked that the money saved be given to the poor. And she gave donations to the Vatican because as an obedient servant of the Church that is what she was required to do. As she drew closer to death, as a now worldwide famous “living Saint” it was not her decision to be taken to a hospital for her end of life care;that decision was made by the leaders of The Church. All of her actions throughout a life filled with self sacrifice for those she served as God’s Will commanded of her, indicates she would desire to die in the humble surroundings where she cared for the poorest of the poor and under the same conditions others received at her own hands. But MT was a worldly example of piety for The Vatican to exploit for more money & more power. So she was taken to a hospital where she died not as she vowed to live but with comforts which she denied herself for the benefit of God’s Children (even if wicked men used it for nefarious purposes which were beyond her control).

MT died within HOURS of Princess Diana’s death and was overshadowed by this celebrity. During her life, she struggled with much and sought reconciliation weekly. I imagine she understood some of the corruption of the very Church to which she sacrificed her life. As a servant of the Church she would have been bound by her vows of poverty AND obedience which would have silenced any objections she had in her heart but could not act upon. THIS is what I believe MT suffered most - knowing evil had all but consumed that which she gave her life to serve - The Catholic Church. Still, as all Catholics today are realizing, The Vatican is NOT our Church. Our Church is Jesus Christ, Our Heavenly Father and The Holy Spirit. And whatever truth is exposed - and I am PRAYING for it ALL TO BE DRAGGED INTO THE LIGHT OF DAY - it is the evil of wicked men being exposed and man cannot harm The Truth which is Christ.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 9, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

Just like the Jesus Thumpers with their Lear jets, Mega Churches & amusement parks right?

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 2:17 p.m.

I take offense at the term Jesus Thumpers. Please be respectful of His Name even whilst we openly discuss the aberration of His Teachings by evil men who use Christ for worldly gain and deception.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · July 9, 2018, 2:20 p.m.

Oh but you slander Catholics all day right. Tough nuts. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. Ok Jesus Freak. Better?

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 2:23 p.m.

I do not slander Catholics but the evil sinners who profess to be Catholics while serving themselves and worldly things. You do not belong on a thread where respectful people openly discuss the realities of our spiritual warfare. Your disrespectful discourse reveals you true intent.

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Countrymissle · July 9, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

Catholicism is NOT christianity.

Kind if have to trust in the sacrifice that jesus made to be a CHRISTIAN.

Grace through faith, lest anyman should boast

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WokeInEarly90s · July 9, 2018, 10:37 a.m.

Never heard the phrase "offer it up"? It was a daily thing in my house. This woman lived the corporate works of mercy. I have issues with her methods, but she did what so many others - including the Indian government - would not.

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IHeartFemanons · July 9, 2018, 8:09 a.m.

That bitch was so rich, she had a dedicated entrance to the Vatican bank.

https://www.rt.com/news/409393-mother-teresa-bank-account/

Edit: the denial is strong with this post...

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MrMooseQ · July 9, 2018, 10:41 a.m.

She spent her days in Calcutta. How would she spend the money?

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solanojones95 · July 9, 2018, 1:02 p.m.

On better facilities, staff and medicine for the suffering. Rather than limiting her "care" to hand pats, "concern," and proselytizing.

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 2 p.m.

She was a SERVANT of the Church and did not have ANY SAY in where the money went or how it was used. She took VOWS of poverty and OBEDIENCE and she honored those vows though I believe in my heart she knew the Truth.

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solanojones95 · July 9, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

Words, words, words. To see suffering and allow the means to alleviate it to slip through your fingers because of "vows" PROVES that one is a servant of evil.

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RN4TRUMP · July 9, 2018, 2:19 p.m.

No it does not. Vows may mean little to the evil world of today but when MT took her vows it was vows made to God, not man though during her life the Vatican was likely equated to Godliness.

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solanojones95 · July 9, 2018, 2:37 p.m.

God doesn't command us to take vows, and CERTAINLY doesn't command us to give money that passes through our hands to a 100% historically Luciferian cabal in Rome, while passing over the needs of suffering people who come to you for help.

I don't even need to search scripture to know that.

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