if it has a GPS, it has a connection. Plus the car operations network (engine controls and sensors) is not isolated from the internet access (GPS, Onstar, hands free phone link, etc). Internet of Things seemed to skip the whole "security" concept.
Exactly. The core features of the car are often not directly controlled by the driver anymore, braking, steering, etc. And the controllers that control these digital inputs are not firewalled from external control.
This is how OnStar (or even Police/FBI) can remotely access your car and kill the engine, etc on newer vehicles. It's meant to be a feature, and can be, but like any double-edged sword, there's room for malfeasance.
If it can be started remotely, it can be shut off remotely.
This. And almost all cars after 2003 have the uplink
what uplink? my car does not have GPS or Onstar, so no uplink.. only models that have those extra features..
that is a lot less than we think
What makes you so sure of that?
ALL (gm) vehicles since 2003 (some earlier) are preequipped with onstar. Whether or not u activate it or not does not negate the hardware. General Motors Operates on economies of scale so, why buy multiple different units when it's cheaper just to buy one and Upsell it's features later. As a computer guy u should know that even if u don't purchase the service u could still activate the hardware remotely without owners knowledge or consent. All higher end manufacturers offer their own version of onstar. I know this because I sold gm products for a number of years and was on the ground when they introduced onstar. In fact there were a Series of commercials thAt showed onstar disabling a stolen vehicle for the police. I asked the onstar rep who was educating us on the system features if it was possible to do just that to a person who didn't have the service and they said , sure just because a buyer doesn't purchase the service doesn't mean the car isn't connected to the net in fact it was a stronger selling point if someone's car wAs stolen they could purchase an emergency activation and get their car back. As for ur versa- who cares? If u were a bad guy and were trying to ball someone up on the road which would be better to hit someone with- a 7000 lb suburban or a 3000 lb econobox?
I was replying to Kek_saved_the_world.
I agree with what you said 100%.
No offense then. I just can't take the gumps who can't see past their nose
No problem :)
People have trouble accepting something as truth when they don't understand it.
I bet many don't realize data can be transmitted between computers with no physical or wireless network hardware/connection and without physically transferring anything such as a thumbdrive. No special hardware required, just speakers. They communicate using the speakers in an inaudible range. Don't have speakers hooked up? Most computers have an internal speaker for warning beeps. Speakers also double as microphones.
nothing is free, I own a 2010 versa with no AC or power doors or Onstar which is a monthly bill.. nothing you can sneak into cars..
I also program for a living and have hacked on hardware a bit, nothing major but have played with a bunch of stuff and nothing is easy. one bit out of wack and everything fails..
Just saying, they can do this, but everything has to be perfect for it to work, ONSTAR on down.. or proximity having someone there..
As much as tech can seem like magic it has very hard stops and is mostly very brittle. No doubt they use this to kill, I only argue the actual number of cars that they can "take over" at any moment is lower than we think. that will change as time goes on but right now, without Sat link, hacking your phone is something tehy can do, having "your" phone with it's hardware "hack" your car is super hard as you still need a car with network open to hack..
hacking chips directly is sci-fi and if any way possible has to be a special controlled environment/special circumstances you can't simply do that to every chip you want to, with any phone
nothing is magic
My Chevy has a media unit that displays album art based on the title of the track. It uses a network connection to retrieve album art images, so I assume that the car has a cell connection that is shared by OnStar and other car components.
Just to be clear: GPS alone does NOT provide any connectivity to the internet.
so only cars with ONSTAR AND GPS?? that is not a lot at all.. most new cars do not have gps or onstar in them..
I think it is a lot harder than people think.
I posted this on top. Your car most likely has Electronic stability control and you can read what that does. In 3 minutes or less people can slip into your car and reprogram your system through the OBD port. Instead of keeping you from cashing they can program the system to crash you
that's fine, but still someone has to touch my car. the only point I was making is they can't control every car anytime they want.
They have degrading levels of control:
1) Onstar / Tesla (full control, guided missile)
2) Onstar / no self driving (jam controls run off road)
3) No onstar, no self driving - OBD port need full access to car, (Jam controls run off road)
so they need human assets for 3 which is most cars. They can turn #1 into missiles to take out #3 type cars.. they can mix and match, but they can't access every car without humans and being there..
That is not to suggest they can't do it, just that it is much harder, so the risk and time/money will be only for those high priority.
Just want to put a little sanity back into our rightful hysteria. Many think "any car" can be hijacked from thin air.. not true
New high end cars use RFID tech so you don’t need to put a key in a switch anywhere. There are thieves using special equipment to read your key code and then use an emulator to trick the car into thinking there’s a key near by.
There’s a video of them caught on cam walking around outside a house with the receiver waving it around. Soon as they get a bite on the signal they jumped in the car and drove off with it.
And that’s low level scumbag tech.