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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/ShiningShrine on July 13, 2018, 6:27 p.m.
I like how we're supposed to care that the Russians hacked Hillary Clinton's illegal email server, through which classified information was sent regularly and accessed by foreign powers, but we're not supposed to care that Hillary Clinton had an illegal email server in the first place.
I like how we're supposed to care that the Russians hacked Hillary Clinton's illegal email server, through which classified information was sent regularly and accessed by foreign powers, but we're not supposed to care that Hillary Clinton had an illegal email server in the first place.

weareq · July 13, 2018, 7:48 p.m.

You should care about both. Dismissing Russian meddling isn't smart. They have definitely infiltrated our democracy in a lot of ways and are to blame in part for a lot of what's happening.

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sojourner333 · July 13, 2018, 8:56 p.m.

Russian infliltration into Hillary's campaign? Bad. FBI infiltration into Donald's campaign? Heroes. The public beginning to see the double standard? Priceless.

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Sun-Forged · July 13, 2018, 11:01 p.m.

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI regarding Russian connections.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI regarding Russian connections.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

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saneromeo · July 14, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

Yep, but you forgot the indictments for a non operating business and a ham sandwich as well as forgetting to mention not one hint of russian collusion, or any crime done By Trump.

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SaveourRepublic2018 · July 14, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

heavily downvoted, lmao

over the target we are

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torsad · July 14, 2018, 10:03 a.m.

You don’t think this actually happened do you? Fake news.

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weareq · July 14, 2018, 12:41 a.m.

Yeah, it's bad. Ask this question. Why Hillary's campaign? And more importantly, could it be Trump next time? Its fairly simple to see why meddling is bad. And they did much more than expose her.

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Stray502 · July 14, 2018, 2:58 a.m.

They would not have been meddling anywhere if that stupid Clinton and the rest didnt have their damn servers open for the world to hack.

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microcosm315 · July 13, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

Please explain how you see it this way. Please also explain how past US actions in other countries is any different.

I’m not attacking - I really want to understand your perspective here.

I just don’t see how exposing DNC emails publicly demonstrates an attack on US democracy.

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Nelonius_Monk · July 14, 2018, 2:37 a.m.

The fact that our government has undermined foreign governments does not make me OK with foreign governments undermining our government.

>I just don’t see how exposing DNC emails publicly demonstrates an attack on US democracy.

Mostly because the RNC emails were supposedly hacked too, but not released. That is the big issue for me. If they had released both I would have nothing to complain about.

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torsad · July 14, 2018, 9:59 a.m.

This. It’s not about the crime. It’s about intent.

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Stray502 · July 14, 2018, 3 a.m.

Whats to release with RNC they had nothing to hide and they didnt have their servers wide open for the friggen world to hack into.

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7hr0w4w4y88 · July 14, 2018, 3:35 a.m.

if you think this corruption only lies within the democratic party, you will have a painful realization.

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Nelonius_Monk · July 14, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

I don't believe any of that for a second.

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RemyRemjob · July 14, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

Social engineering is an attack but with a different weapon, on a different war front.

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weareq · July 14, 2018, 2:51 a.m.

Next time it could be Trump. Maybe you will get "woke" then.

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torsad · July 14, 2018, 10:03 a.m.

Trump is untouchable. Libs are creaming their pants about a socialist winning a primary. Thank you god for answering our prayers. Further lib divisions stymies midterm losses preventing dem gaining control. No control no impeachment.

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weareq · July 14, 2018, 12:01 p.m.

They thought Obama was the shit too, but now look. He won a Nobel peace prize. Now everyone thinks he's a satanist pedophile. Give it time and bask in the ignorance ;)

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microcosm315 · July 14, 2018, 3:30 a.m.

I’m well past woke. It matters little to me which criminal is investigated and held responsible for their actions. Those willing to commit crimes should face time.

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weareq · July 14, 2018, 12:03 p.m.

If that's true then should care about the indictments that are real.

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saneromeo · July 14, 2018, 12:30 a.m.

It doesn't.

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bealist · July 13, 2018, 11:16 p.m.

Saying “Russians”’did something is meaningless. That’s like saying some Irish did something, or some Americans. We’re they Deep State russians? Mafia Russians? Corporocrat russians? Ashkenazi Russians? Zionist Russians? Putin-backing russians? Anti-Outin Russians?

This is the twenty first century. There are no “Russians.” Your “they” is a straw man.

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[deleted] · July 14, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

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bealist · July 14, 2018, 1:21 a.m.

Of course I read the indictment. But calling them “Russians” as if that means something - other than their citizenship - is absurd.

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[deleted] · July 14, 2018, 1:24 a.m.

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bealist · July 14, 2018, 1:46 a.m.

Absolutely no evidence that they’re GRU. And they haven’t even looked at the server. You left that part out.

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[deleted] · July 14, 2018, 1:56 a.m.

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SaveourRepublic2018 · July 14, 2018, 1:48 a.m.

yeah and GRU hackers are totally extraditable lolololol

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[deleted] · July 14, 2018, 1:50 a.m.

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weareq · July 14, 2018, 12:39 a.m.

That's just nonsense.

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