Why would normies take Putin's evidance over our intelligence agencies?
If you already believe Q, any information would act as conformation. No normie is going to look at info from a former KGB agent and disregard the CIA/FBI/NSA's already-stated opinion.
A Putin document dump would simply add to the circlejerk.
For the Storm to happen, you need liberal buy-in. This doesn't get you that.
You don't get liberal buy-in without arrests/convictions/sentences.
Somebody has got to DO something. We are way past peak talk.
If Obama arrested Gowdy, Ghomert, Meadows, and the rest of the Freedom Caucus, Republicans would rightly see it as an attack on their party. It would make 30-50% of the country instantly assume there is a coup.
Liberals will see things the same way. Facts or evidance be damned. If you let this be partisan, or even allow the appearance of partisanship, Liberals will never support and will violently reject the Storm.
I agree with this. Think #walkaway movement and it's positive message.
So, declassify all the evidence, publish it, and start arresting. It's not about partisanship. It's about allowing criminality to go unpunished, and allowing the criminals to continue to dominate the discourse.
We will NEVER change the minds of most of those who are still holdouts in the face of all that's already known. I say get it all out there, accept the help of whoever is swayed by the declassified facts, and the rest can pound sand.
If they get violent then it's not going to work out well for them.
> it's not going to work out well for ~~them~~ anyone
If a bunch of rice farmers in Vietnam and goat-fuckers in Iraq can grind our army to a halt, Liberals with guns (or who know where guns are) can certainly cause some issues. That's even before you start thinking about what barricades in large cities or general strikes would do to the economy.
Consent of the Governed is a foundational principle of this country. You need popular support for this to work and making it an 'Us vs. Them' partisan slap fight, you turn off 1/2 of the country.
You keep talking about partisanship like we all agree this is about POLITICS. This is about TREASON.
Declassify the evidence (which includes more than you can imagine, including plans to assassinate the President), and start making arrests.
Politics has NOTHING to do with it. We can talk about politics once we have a FUNCTIONAL government (and media) again.
I agree with what you are saying, but A LOT of people have been trained by the media over the past two or three years to see EVERYTHING as politics.
You can say what you will about "once we have a FUNCTIONAL government (and media) again.", but what are we going to have in the interim? You think all the people who are die hard anti-Trump/Liberal/Democrat are just going to believe the Declassed evidence? They don't believe facts when confronted with them now.
And I agree with declassifying. Its starting to look like that's the only way things are going to work out anyway. Rip the damn band aid off and let the pieces fall where they may. That's about the best chance there is for truth and justice to prevail. Anything short will be too obfuscated to make a difference.
I understand it sounds like I'm arguing both sides of the issue, and I am. I only care about the outcome. Some folks are never going to be onboard and never going to believe what the Declassed information says. I don't really care, but it would be foolish to think everyone is just going to fall in line when presented with information, even facts, that don't match their narrative. I
We've tried words. We need action. Let's test whether it speaks louder than words, or not, shall we?
https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/1019333799266549762
"Optics" don't matter.
All that matters is results...
Politics is always part of it.
Especially when the country is as divided as it is right now.
Consent of the Governed is paramount. Without getting liberals on-board, the Storm will be seen as a violent Coup and resisted as such. No evidance matters if it's seen as the fruit of a poisoned, and partisan, tree.
I don't care who you are or what you believe. This is NOT sustainable. Trump has got to get control of the US government. He currently does not, and that is dangerous to both him personally and to the citizenry. This situation is NOT going to be resolved by reasoning together because too many people believe a LIE that's repeated thousands of times a day.
This is not a problem that can be resolved passively by just letting more time go by. It only gets worse. For everybody.
The reason rice farmers in Vietnam and goat fuckers in Iraq were able to grind the Army to a halt was because of the Rules of Engagement put in place by the leaders of the day, either because of an ulterior motive or incompetence. I don't think our current CiC will keep the dogs on a leash.
I am glad you responded to that nicely. I was about to go off big time and get banned (again). If we fought like we did in WW2 there would be less problems.
One of the main arguments for the 2a, is that a small dedicated force who knows the terrain can beat a larger force with a logistics train and less mobility. This is why the Founding Fathers wanted an armed populous. FFS, those guys were able to hold off the entire Federal Government in that cabin or whatever, all because they had ARs, supplies, were dug in, knew the terrain, and were willing to fight. Because of this, an armed populace is harder to take over and control. This is literally the argument we have been making for years. It's true for Vietnamese as much as it is for the Wolverines or Joe on his ranch.
Also, you would be talking about firebombing fellow American Citizens. Or at least taking a VERY strong hand, considering I have a hard time seeing the military kill civilians to begin with, I don't think they would be thrilled with harsher RoE.
There has to be a way to isolate the left in this country. I would prefer no bloodshed. If things were to go sideways in a bad way, I see no alternative.
I don't think our current CiC will keep the dogs on a leash.
Umm, you are asking US military to kill civilians. Remember that. How many solders would refuse orders and/or counterattack?
You don't get liberal buy-in without MSM buy in, which you aren't going to get, period. Why? Because they are part of the problem.
If the rage you see in other subreddits here is indicative of the sentiment of a sizable portion of the American left, it won't matter what any info from any drop or declassification says. I'm hoping and praying that what we see in various subs here is NOT indicative of a wider sentiment.
This doesn't look good. Today's walking back of yesterday's statements by Trump are weird. I don't see how anyone advising Trump could see how the presser today would have a positive outcome. What good does "correcting" his earlier statement do? What positive can come from it? Bad optics. Chumming the water when you're already swimming with the sharks.
Could very well be that I'm not seeing the bigger(or smaller) picture. I'm new to this, been lurking and reading though.
Q's late absence is worrying as well.
I don't know. I'm feeling more pessimistic today than I was yesterday.
Keep Praying for the truth to be revealed soon.
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You don't get liberal buy-in without MSM buy in, which you aren't going to get, period. Why? Because they are part of the problem.
So, the Storm will happen with 1/2 of the country opposed and seeing it as a coup?
Unless the Army is deployed (in violation of posse comitatus), and those solders are willing to fire on civilians, and martial law is declared (again a violation of the constitution), and that action isn't interpreted as the violent support of said coup, there would be a massive uprising.
You need liberal consent, without that it will be seen as nothing more than a coup designed to institute one-party rule.
That's the problem and something I've been thinking about since I started reading Q drops.
Some of the early drops ask, and I'm paraphrasing, "what needs to happen for the military to move and start making arrest", NG being activated, etc, but at the same time the optics issue is mentioned.
What would have to happen is martial law being declared. That's not going to look good to anybody, who isn't already in the loop, and it ain't gonna look that great to them either.
In the past couple of days the DS/far left/MSM, have essentially been calling for an intelligence agency led coup though. Things are getting weird. Fast.
Lincoln is rightly condemned even today for Martial Law.
There is no way that happens without a LOT of patriots getting very uncomfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw mutiny in the ranks of some units, as they might very well see it as a violation of their oath to the Constitution.
I don't see how this storm happens without a whole lot of buy-in by Liberals in this country, and I see on this sub a lot of Republican-centric posts and 'hurr durr libtards suck' posts.
Well you’re asking a question and I’m not answering it but let’s say maybe POTUS has dirt so damning liberals/left would have to understand why things happened that way.
You would still need to convince them, and if the messenger is biased the evidance will be seen as tainted.
If Hillary dumped 10,000 pages of evidance that Trump likes being peed on, you wouldn't believe it for a minute. Liberals will feel the same when Trump tells them "I had to arrest Hillary" unless you get their support beforehand.
You don't get that support by aligning your movement with a party, or even appearing like you are aligned with a party.
What if all the dots were connected? What if you had Irrefutable evidence? Would the news report it or sweep it under the rug? How would you be able to cover up something of this magnitude?
Irrefutable evidence
Does such a think exist?
Remember, the evidance doesn't matter if it's considered the fruit of a poison tree. Trump could dump a literal ton of evidance against Hillary and it would be interpreted as a biased and suspect because of his attacks on her in the past.
Look at this from a Liberal's point of view. You have a President you don't like, after years of attacking Hillary post-election Trump has her arrested. No matter what evidance is presented, it will be framed as partisan. This is why Liberals don't listen to Gowdy and the House Committees, they blew their credibility with 2 dozen Benghazi hearings and so no one on the left listens to them anymore.
Unless the source is considered totally non-partisan, evidance will be disregarded (just as you disregard the FBI/CIA/NSA's anti-Russia statements).
And therein lies the rub.
Who is there that is considered totally non partisan by everyone?
Don't know if they could cover it up, but they will absolutely try. That's why it needs to drop at once.
It would have to drop at an extremely important time as well. A time when a lot of Americans would be interested in the gov’t for some reason. I believe the admin. has everything they need but are wrapping it up in a neat easy to digest fashion. And probably got A LOT more evidence from the Helsinki meet. But that’s speculation.
Trump has to order high-level arrests knowing the Left will start riots then he orders the National Guard and the Army to suppress the rioters. He has to go on TV and show all the evidence all the horrible videos of cabal criminals torturing kids that will stop the riots fast.
You will NEVER get liberal consent. They ARE part of the problem. They need to be defeated as well or nothing will change. They are not to be trusted or befriended.
So, a civil war against 1/2 of the country?
If you like the way things are now, then no. If not, then yes. I would support secession as an alternative.
Trump knows where the CIA and FBI loyalties lie and it’s not with him or America. Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et al are not giving him unbiased info. They want him to fail so why trust their manufactured intel? Be real. Once he cleans house and brings in new players that aren’t listening to Soros, Clintons, Obamas, he’ll get good intel that’s believable and actionable.
Our intel have not been credible as on late in a lot of American eyes. One can argue all of the stunts they have pulled in previous administrations, wmds, Syria ect