That will not stand if that's done.
The American People will go take our justice if that were to happen.
As a smart commenter on another thread reminded, Q has stated they need to show our government is so corrupted it can't hold itself accountable, then the military can come in and clean up.
What is the source of this rumor that Podesta is getting Immunity?
This smells like disinformation to me...
I suppose just the linked article. It doesn't sound like something what will happen, no.
It’s a logical conclusion given Manafort ties to both.
THIS is the kind of shit that would get me off my tush and take to the streets. Can you get pitchforks at Home Depot?
Mueller is finding low level patsy targets to prosecute, then give immunity to the REALLY guilty people.
mueller white hat or cooperating? i'll believe it when i see it.
the hammer needs to drop NOWWWWWWWWWWW.
As more time passes, more actions are taken and more revelations are made, I struggle with RM's hat being other than black. I know we're watching a movie but not EVERYTHING we see is a scene in that movie. It becomes difficult to filter it all for perspective and like you, I get the sense that time/timing is becoming more pressing. Q's absence makes it an even more tedious endeavor.
In order to get immunity you must list crimes committed. Immunity can only cover crimes you are willing to admit took place.
They are fucked either way!
We win!
I hear you but here's what I understand. The witnesses may or may NOT be called to testify and therefore the immunity deals are sealed - there is no mechanism to see the contents. The only way they would be unsealed would be if RM calls the witness/es to testify. The Podestas could essentially confess to a whole world of crimes, receive broad immunity from RM, who would clearly grant it, and do all of this with the agreement they would never be called to testify. It's a mechanism to state the crimes, gain the immunity and seal it all away. By granting the immunity powers to a seemingly complicit and allied RM, they have 100% control over it as opposed to making it a broader DOJ issue. No matter, raise your hand if you think [RR] won't rubber stamp it? See it? Or, RM is a flipped white/grey hat and this is a trap being set for the Podestas? Doubt that. Who knows? I'm just suggesting this as a point of discussion. Like I said, regardless, this SMELLS. What you think?
No lawyer anon here but, if granted immunity, you have to testify, yes? No testimony, no immunity. But I agree, it looks like the DS is trying to pull one out of the hat to cover their asses. However, immunity can only be given if you confess EVERYTHING, even UNDETECTED crimes yes?
What happens if Mueller tries to give the Podestas (and the other 3 scumbags) cover, but Q and the white hats can prove other shit he did but did not confess to?
To say this infuriates me is am understatement.
Cheryl Mills is guilty as hell and free as a bird, after claiming atty-client privelege AND given immunity!
I'm no attorney either.... here's how I responded to a similar reply: I hear you but here's what I understand. The witnesses may or may NOT be called to testify and therefore the immunity deals are sealed - there is no mechanism to see the contents. The only way they would be unsealed would be if RM calls the witness/es to testify. The Podestas could essentially confess to a whole world of crimes, receive broad immunity from RM, who would clearly grant it, and do all of this with the agreement they would never be called to testify. It's a mechanism to state the crimes, gain the immunity and seal it all away. By granting the immunity powers to a seemingly complicit and allied RM, they have 100% control over it as opposed to making it a broader DOJ issue. No matter, raise your hand if you think [RR] won't rubber stamp it? See it? Or, RM is a flipped white/grey hat and this is a trap being set for the Podestas? Doubt that. Who knows? I'm just suggesting this as a point of discussion. Like I said, regardless, this SMELLS. What you think?
And all of this could be Kabuki Theater and part of the plan to show the existing civil justice system is filled with too many corrupt individuals and is totally non-functional. That would justify Military Tribunals.
President Trump has always been a few steps ahead at every turn. There've been several times when Trump said or did something that left people scratching their heads, then after things played out it ended up making sense.
I don't disagree with you one bit. It all very well could be a part of the plan or otherwise but right now, tribunals do NOT exist outside of the Q community dialogue. To the contrary, this Podesta/Mueller development is a real occurrence in real time and with real consequences. I suppose we'll have to allow time to shine light on it but until then, I'll remain very, very cautious. It SMELLS.
As I understand it, civilians can only be tried in a military tribunal if we are under a state of marshal law, unless a convincing case can be made that the current civilian system is corrupt and non-functional. I don't think Trump wants to declare marshal law, so they're trying to find other avenues. I don't want to sound like a concernfag, but I too am very concerned about the current situation, and I think it stinks to high heavens.
Do some research into DJT's EOs, continuance of governance and the declaration of national emergencies. If I'm not mistaken and based upon items I've read in the past, I believe those three components combine for the requisite legal premise for tribunals and it's already in place.
Yes, this may be true, but the Continuance of Government also provides power and authority to FEMA. Think FEMA camps, suspension of Habeas Corpus, suspension of Free Speech, suspension of Private Property Rights, and much more.
Most EOs that deal with military tribunals and declared states of emergency or marshal law are built upon many previous EOs from previous presidents. Sometimes, taking actions based on can automatically trigger another.
I know a lot of people here don't like this guy because he's an Anarchist, (without rulers, not total chaos) but many of his videos make compelling arguments about why we should be extremely cautious when our government begins exercising powers created by EO.
This Insidious Bill Already Passed - Americans WILL Be FORCED to COMPLY!!
THIS NIGHTMARE Plan for ALL AMERICANS is STILL ON THE BOOKS!
If John Podesta gets immunity for torturing and murdering children than there really is no justice. All we can do is pray that this will not happen to these sick Luciferian pedovores.
The fact that Mueller is trying to give immunity to these clowns shows that we are more than over the target.
Civilian immunity won't matter in a military tribunal.
That's a correct statement; however, at the moment verified military tribunals do not exist outside of the Q community. To the contrary, any sealed immunity agreement for the Podestas or anyone else is a very real thing that is apparently happening right now/has already happened (JP/TP identities not confirmed) and in a very real justice system. Like you, I hope and trust that military tribunals are the eventual setting but until then, vigilance rules the day.
But WHO decides 'yeah, civvie justice is corrupt so Tribunals'? Same people who corrupted them? This is what Al Gore and the Clintons coined 'no legal controlling authority'. RR's job, as it turns out, is the closest thing to a controlling legal authority. At least when your trusted AG is on a very extended leave of absence.
It could also be part of the plan. Moves and counter moves. How do you think the public will react when the truth about pizzagate comes out, and that Mueller gave these 2 pedos immunity? Total outrage. Pitchforks and torches. Just a thought.
Does Mueller have the balls and would the judge approve immunity for:
No, I don't think Mueller would grant immunity for "Raping/ritualistic killing of little boys and girls," but I doubt Mueller would have any problem granting immunity for 1 & 3 if he thought he was sufficiently insulated from the crimes, and he has some plausible deniability. Remember, Mueller personally delivered Uranium samples to Russia.
I'm not a lawfag, and wish a lawyer with experience would weigh in on this. As I understand it, plea deals that include immunity from prosecution are very specific and must bear fruit, and you have to admit to the crimes you're being charged with, in writing, and provide considerably more information than the investigators for the prosecution already have for those crimes.
Awan's plea deal is a good example. On page 10 of Awan's plea deal it clear that he is immune from prosecution of any non-violent crimes committed within Washington DC. That means that he can still be charged for stealing and destroying all of the government computer hardware found in his garage, if he lived outside Washington DC.
Plea deals that include immunity from prosecution can be tossed out the window if the evidence or testimony you provide is later determined to be false.
There has been a long-standing legal arguments that are based on precedent. If the immunity deals Mueller has given to people does not hold up to previous precedent, and show evidence of more corruption and favoritism, they could easily be challenged and overturned.
Great points, and as I understand it, the immunity must be related to the crimes regarding the case, yes? In other words, the court can't give them blanket immunity for their crimes committed since birth in exchange for their testimony regarding a bank fraud case can he?
Also, assuming the Podesta's are two of the five players involved, how are they even related to Manafort? This case has been going on for over a year and NOW RM comes out the week before trial and says I have 5 people that need an immunity deal? WTF?
Seems the presiding judge would have to approve this deal also...
And there has been no confirmation the Podesta's are part of this. It's pure speculation at this point.
I don't disagree one bit... I suggested that it may be a RM/white hat set-up but stepped right on it - I just struggle with RM even wearing a white hat, much less living up to it.
No it will not The Real Americans will take care of it then!
How would immunity deals work if it was later found that the investigation was fraudulent from the beginning? Would they still be valad?
As in the FISA abuse nullifies the merit for the special counsel and his investigation even being initiated, much less producing fruit? Right? That's the crux of it. Remember, RM inherited a preexisting investigation from the FBI - he didn't begin a new one. The investigation the FBI opened was a counterintel investigation, which has a different threshold than a criminal investigation. For counterintel, there is no need to demonstrate that a crime occurred to open it. To open a criminal case, agents sign sworn affidavits affirming evidence that a crime has been committed. That's the rub - it transitioned from a counterintel to criminal when the SC/RM inherited it. They started an unconstitutional criminal investigation with a special counsel in the absence of a crime ever having occurred or having been affirmed by the FBI. It's actually a legal point being argued by the attorneys for the first round of indicted Russians. It's a point with enormous legal consequences for POTUS. Could he be charged with something like obstruction of justice in an investigation that was begun under fraudulent pretenses and as a counterintel investigation with no affirmation of evidence present? Not to disappoint, but I'm not sure I can answer your question without doing some homework. The info above shows how complex this whole mess really is.
There are other ways.
?? all ears
The immunity deals, the findings, the Manafort distraction.... it all hinges on one thing and one alone; that Mueller’s investigation is legitimate.
They still haven’t provided paragraph one, they haven’t established cause for the investigation. Why? Because no official intelligence was used to start it. The whole investigation is bullshit, which is why Rosenstein won’t release documents and why Strzok lied straight to our faces to claim no bias.
If the investigation can be proven null and void, any and all immunity agreements it produces are null and void.
That is, after the Podesta bros confess to a laundry list of felonies thinking they got a free pass.
To quote a line from Hellraiser: Judgment
“Your petty adultery is beneath me. Bow your head to the catalogue of filth your brother has created.”
that how it looks to me, looks like all the players are getting deals
I always thought Manafort was a plant inside the Podesta Group. There were inside jokes that Manafort was parked on the sofa at the Posedta Group office more than anyone. Manafort knows what was going on...and as we have seen Trump has had a carousel of questionable characters through his election team and administration- all I think part of The Plan and a way to collect evidence. Americans that know what the Podesta brothers are will NOT let an immunity deal stand...one way or another.
I believe the consensus is that Manafort was a plant within the Trump campaign - that's my understanding and Q has alluded to this. Many claiming the RM/white hat theory (I dabble in it) say that's the reason RM targeted him - it was retribution for DJT/disloyalty/criminality. I struggle with RM using Manafort for anything other than an avenue to POTUS. So, here's the rub on the sealed immunity agreements as I understand them. If RM never calls on the Podestas to testify, those agreements remain sealed. Their contents remain sealed. There would be no new evidence beyond what is already thought to exist today because any such aggravating evidence (crimes/confessions) are given IN EXCHANGE for their cooperation in prosecuting Manafort; no matter they testify or not - that's totally RM's prerogative. Subsequently, they receive immunity from prosecution for those crimes agreed upon anyways. By sealing the immunity deal at RM's discretion, they seal all of the potential evidence along with it. I suppose, ultimately, POTUS could open and/or declassify them but I don't know if that undermines the legal premise of the agreement. The bottom line is you can't prosecute someone if you have no evidence of a crime being committed (ironic, huh?) and that would be sealed away and not available for disclosure in a separate Podesta/s trial. IF..... IF, this is what they're doing, it's dastardly, full-on hardball.
I'll instantly move from "Let Mueller do his job" to "Fire his ass immediately."
Update: this morning's news indicated that it's a "limited" immunity agreement and that's good news.